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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 8, 2021 16:00:45 GMT -5
Chris Smith intrigues me--- Holy Cross football alum and current assistant. It seems like he is always instructing (I guess that's what he is doing as I can't lip read) the players as soon as they come off the field--maybe all assistants are doing this but I certainly notice how very active he is
Is Brian Vaganek especially valuable as the coach who recruits Norther New Jersey, an area that has produced a lot of Crusaders in recent years? I think I did some analysis of this some months ago but would not know how to search and find that brilliant post.....
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Post by dharry13 on Dec 8, 2021 16:03:56 GMT -5
He also recruits Michigan. Pulled a few guys out of there as we know.
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Post by wayback on Dec 8, 2021 16:11:25 GMT -5
It is my hope and belief that Bob Chesney stays at Holy Cross. He is still a relatively young coach just building his reputation. He has been in Worcester for 10-11 years. He has relatively young children in the school systems. He is convincing some seniors to stay on for another year. He has som excting players and it would be fun to lead them through their college careers. Yes he has to rebuild the defensive line but he has all the other pieces to build the program to make the BCS final four. I think we get 2 more years before he makes his next move, maybe more. Let's enjoy this wonderful ride in the history of Holy Cross football. Remember my history goes back to Dr. Eddie Anderson as the coach! From my lips...........
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Post by hc6774 on Dec 8, 2021 16:51:27 GMT -5
It is my hope and belief that Bob Chesney stays at Holy Cross. He is still a relatively young coach just building his reputation. He has been in Worcester for 10-11 years. He has relatively young children in the school systems. He is convincing some seniors to stay on for another year. He has som excting players and it would be fun to lead them through their college careers. Yes he has to rebuild the defensive line but he has all the other pieces to build the program to make the BCS final four. I think we get 2 more years before he makes his next move, maybe more. Let's enjoy this wonderful ride in the history of Holy Cross football. Remember my history goes back to Dr. Eddie Anderson as the coach!From my lips........... I look forward to some Dr Anderson stories at the Varsity Club dinner on Saturday. Joe Lilly '66 goes into the Hall of Fame; maybe the last Anderson recruit to make it?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 8, 2021 16:55:29 GMT -5
Just an annotation on roster caps: In 2018-19, number of players on the official football roster (I believe the count is the first day of competition).
Bucknell 84 Colgate 91 HC 94 Fordham 96 Georgetown 91 Lafayette 84 Lehigh 87
In 2019-20, HC was at 91, the only school above 90.
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Post by jkh67 on Dec 8, 2021 21:03:18 GMT -5
All this navel gazing about Chesney is a waste of time. He will do what's best for him and his family. As well he should. It's not as though he's been head coach here for an eon or has purple blood in the family veins going back to 1843. HC was a major step up for him from Assumption. No reason why he wouldn't grab the next promotion that comes along. Contract permitting, of course. In the meantime, he's done a spectacular job in a remarkably short period of time resuscitating football at HC. (Yet another reminder that the school retained Gilmore...apparently much beloved by some members of this site and no doubt a good person...long beyond his sell by date. Witness his performance at Lehigh for any still in doubt.)
We should do what we can to retain him, but there are financial limits to that for HC. And, money aside, we probably can't compete with an offer from an upper echelon FCS school or almost any FBS school.
Hopefully, TPTB are looking ahead to his successor. But it's never clear at Mt. Saint James just how interested TPTB are in the football program.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 8, 2021 21:20:36 GMT -5
What is BGSU paying the head coach Might offer a mindset or framework for new AD
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Post by princetoncrusader on Dec 8, 2021 21:25:28 GMT -5
I think the fact that Prez. Vince attended the Villanova game and three trustees attended the Fordham game is a sign that these smart guys knows there are benefits to having a successful FCS program--positive publicity and development office benefits. One trustee noted the positive comments by the ESPN+ announcers about the HC program (no red shirting, etc.) As you note, there are financial constraints as to just how much the scare resources of the College can be devoted to the football program.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 8, 2021 21:27:23 GMT -5
What is BGSU paying the head coach Might offer a mindset or framework for new AD Comparing apples to bowling balls.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 8, 2021 21:30:43 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 8, 2021 21:48:34 GMT -5
My hope is that the rookie AD will have far less power over Chesney's next contract. I hope the commitment to reward and retain Coach precedes the AD hire and members of TPTB have already figured out what HC can pay.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 9, 2021 6:29:10 GMT -5
HC “can” pay whatever it wants. What it will pay is a different story. Bowling Green is paying $525K plus a set of very achievable performance incentives and other benefits. If we’re paying $200-ish and Delaware is paying $350K-$400K-ish, couldn’t we do $300K plus some achievable incentives for a PL title, FBS wins, tourney wins and academic success of the team? Seems quite reasonable if you care about keeping him. I know we like to act like we’re poor but we’re really not. Paying the assistants would also be important. Maybe make Scott James associate head coach with a bump in salary to make sure he sticks around.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 9, 2021 7:19:12 GMT -5
First of all, 92 is spot on. If Holy Cross wants to pay a better salary to Chesney, they do have the resources. It's a question of priorities.
Second, if there was a campaign for the football supporters (Gridiron Club/CAF) to increase Chesney's income, I have little doubt that the necessary funds would be easily met. There's been a hunger for a winning program - football or basketball - among the loyal alums. They don't want to lose that.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 9, 2021 8:01:19 GMT -5
First of all, 92 is spot on. If Holy Cross wants to pay a better salary to Chesney, they do have the resources. It's a question of priorities. Second, if there was a campaign for the football supporters (Gridiron Club/CAF) to increase Chesney's income, I have little doubt that the necessary funds would be easily met. There's been a hunger for a winning program - football or basketball - among the loyal alums. They don't want to lose that. True. I’m as thrifty as they come with 4 sets of college tuition staring me in the face but I’d make at least a modest donation to a targeted fundraising effort to keep Chesney and company.
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Post by alum on Dec 9, 2021 8:56:19 GMT -5
The 2020 990 (7/1/19-6/30/20) does not list Chesney among the College's highest paid employees. There are professors making $226,000 listed. Looking quickly through several 990s I did not find any with TG listed as a highly paid employee. I saw prior year's 990s showing Carmody making $370,000. Brett Nelson was hired on 7/3/19 so he worked almost the full fiscal year and is also not listed among the top paid employees. (I also noticed that Carmody earned $268,000 in three or four months of the 19-20 fiscal year suggesting he received a buyout.)
We would need to know what the market demands but it feels like the College isn't paying enough.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 9, 2021 9:04:34 GMT -5
Haven't checked the 990s lately but TG was on there some years but was well below his basketball colleagues. From memory, always suspect, when he was on there, he was a very low tier "highly compensated employee" perhaps in the mid $100K - like $150,000 - $170,000 and also might have made the threshold after he won the PL championship and perhaps had a bonus. When Chesney came on board, I guarantee that HC did not start him at what TG's salary was after coaching 10+ years.
Let's just say I am confident that there is plenty of room for a salary increase to be more equitable than the guy in the Hart who's stealing his salary.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 9, 2021 9:15:29 GMT -5
Ches' deal is for 200k/yr. He was initially offered 250, but asked that 50 of it be used to spread around to attract good assts., which has paid off. Good move my Ches.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 9, 2021 9:56:16 GMT -5
The 2020 990 (7/1/19-6/30/20) does not list Chesney among the College's highest paid employees. There are professors making $226,000 listed. Looking quickly through several 990s I did not find any with TG listed as a highly paid employee. I saw prior year's 990s showing Carmody making $370,000. Brett Nelson was hired on 7/3/19 so he worked almost the full fiscal year and is also not listed among the top paid employees. (I also noticed that Carmody earned $268,000 in three or four months of the 19-20 fiscal year suggesting he received a buyout.) We would need to know what the market demands but it feels like the College isn't paying enough. Did it give the salary of our AD-- that might be keeping the salary levels lower- but agree we have a way to go to get the salaries where they need to be in this world of college athletics
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Post by midwestsader05 on Dec 9, 2021 10:42:06 GMT -5
First of all, 92 is spot on. If Holy Cross wants to pay a better salary to Chesney, they do have the resources. It's a question of priorities. Second, if there was a campaign for the football supporters (Gridiron Club/CAF) to increase Chesney's income, I have little doubt that the necessary funds would be easily met. There's been a hunger for a winning program - football or basketball - among the loyal alums. They don't want to lose that. This is well in motion with meaningful early success. I mentioned it before but for those that want to support the endeavor, you can DM me or reach out to someone you know on the GC. The campaign is bigger than just the issues of current staff compensation (even though we are all well aware and clear eyed about this) It's also about building the long-term sustainable infrastructure to insure HC has the resources to consistently be a top FCS program. Also, Coach is aware of the effort.
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Post by alum on Dec 9, 2021 10:52:51 GMT -5
The 2020 990 (7/1/19-6/30/20) does not list Chesney among the College's highest paid employees. There are professors making $226,000 listed. Looking quickly through several 990s I did not find any with TG listed as a highly paid employee. I saw prior year's 990s showing Carmody making $370,000. Brett Nelson was hired on 7/3/19 so he worked almost the full fiscal year and is also not listed among the top paid employees. (I also noticed that Carmody earned $268,000 in three or four months of the 19-20 fiscal year suggesting he received a buyout.) We would need to know what the market demands but it feels like the College isn't paying enough. Did it give the salary of our AD-- that might be keeping the salary levels lower- but agree we have a way to go to get the salaries where they need to be in this world of college athletics They show Pine making right around $300,000.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 9, 2021 12:09:12 GMT -5
I hope Chesney ends up making more that the AD or the BB coach. He's earned it, the other two haven't yet. I hope HC isn't trapped by past practice. As we are seeing now, the trains run on time (Polar Park game, Home playoff successful bid and game day) when there is no AD.
An AD is important but not as important as a coach who can build the first winning program at Holy Cross since Willard left. We're on our fourth AD plus interims since then. To pay the rookie AD more than Chesney would be ludicrous.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 9, 2021 14:34:53 GMT -5
As always, a matter of priorities. Our basketball coaches routinely made more than the AD. (Willard over Regan, Carmody over Blossom, etc.). Football coaches have NOT made near what the basketball coaches have made and less than the ADs generally.
So, the "pecking order" in the past has been:
1. Men's head basketball coach 2. AD 3. Football head coach/ladies head basketball coach (haven't looked in awhile and maybe changed with long-tenured Gibbons gone and Maureen M in)
Assistants and coaches in other sports down the line.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 9, 2021 15:27:39 GMT -5
As always, a matter of priorities. Our basketball coaches routinely made more than the AD. (Willard over Regan, Carmody over Blossom, etc.). Football coaches have NOT made near what the basketball coaches have made and less than the ADs generally. So, the "pecking order" in the past has been: 1. Men's head basketball coach 2. AD 3. Football head coach/ladies head basketball coach (haven't looked in awhile and maybe changed with long-tenured Gibbons gone and Maureen M in) Assistants and coaches in other sports down the line. Like I said, I hope HC isn't trapped by past practice. Time to mark to the market. PL championships and NCAA victories talk, last place finishes walk and the salaries are computed to follow suit. One small sin of paying the MBB coach above market (for assistants from decent but not great programs) is, because of title nine as I understand from PP, it requires keeping the WBB coach salary high whether that coach has truly earned it or not. I'd love to see Vince and Kit have an approach of "We're offering opportunity, not a sinecure" in hiring coaches. And then if the coach has earned it, give them the moon and the stars.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 9, 2021 16:45:22 GMT -5
As always, a matter of priorities. Our basketball coaches routinely made more than the AD. (Willard over Regan, Carmody over Blossom, etc.). Football coaches have NOT made near what the basketball coaches have made and less than the ADs generally. So, the "pecking order" in the past has been: 1. Men's head basketball coach 2. AD 3. Football head coach/ladies head basketball coach (haven't looked in awhile and maybe changed with long-tenured Gibbons gone and Maureen M in) Assistants and coaches in other sports down the line. Maureen was making around 160k at UNH so she had to take a pay raise to go to HC you would think... www.usnh.edu/sites/default/files/hr/resources/compensation/pdf/usnh_salary_book_2018.pdf
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Post by efg72 on Dec 9, 2021 17:00:29 GMT -5
Is the NE Sports Writers Dinner tonight?
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