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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2021 12:30:51 GMT -5
Sorry to see this girl get hurt with her team up 19 pts. & 40 seconds left in the game.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 7, 2021 12:39:14 GMT -5
Geno took the blame, sort of.
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 7, 2021 13:10:18 GMT -5
It has always amazed me how head coaches don’t substitute in the closing minute(s) when the lead is large
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Post by bison137 on Dec 7, 2021 13:12:14 GMT -5
Geno took the blame, sort of. There really was no blame. First of all, it appears most of the break happened earlier. She was walking the ball up court when the leg gave out. If she hadn't been in the game at that point, it would have happened as she was jogging to the locker room - which actually would have been more stress on the leg than when the moment went she went down. During 25 hours of basketball a week, the moment the injury occurred had to be right at the bottom in terms of stress on her leg. |
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Post by hchoops on Dec 7, 2021 13:20:55 GMT -5
Are you a physician, Bison ?
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Post by bison137 on Dec 7, 2021 13:25:12 GMT -5
Are you a physician, Bison ? No, but some physicians have said what I said is likely. The cause for a tibial plateau fracture is " a strong force on the lower leg with the leg in varus or valgus position, or simultaneous vertical stress and flexion of the knee. Commonly seen in road traffic accidents, sports accidents with a high velocity such as skiing, horse riding, and certain water sports." When Bueckers went down, she was WALKING. No stress on the lower leg at that point. |
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Post by hchoops on Dec 7, 2021 13:27:55 GMT -5
OK
But is there any proof that the original cause did not occur during garbage minutes ?
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Post by bison137 on Dec 7, 2021 15:27:58 GMT -5
OK But is there any proof that the original cause did not occur during garbage minutes ? No proof. But there was nothing at all on the video that appeared like a likely cause. I've re-watched the whole fourth quarter. Here is a link if you want to review: This injury could have been days, or weeks, in the making. Might also have been caused by a hit she took in the knee area much earlier in the game. The way UConn has played with Bueckers out means that there is no way she was coming out before the 3:30 mark, at the earliest. And I doubt Auriemma wanted to see the game end with Notre Dame crushing them in the final minutes. One thing that should be noted is that Notre Dame had their starters in the game all the way to the final horn. That's a good way to get the opponent to also leave in the starters. |
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Post by wstruz71 on Dec 7, 2021 15:46:40 GMT -5
A tibial fracture is caused by a repetitive strain on the bone. I read in a local newspaper that Paige Bueckers has played the full 40 minutes of every game, so far, with the exception of one game, where she played 38 minutes. Combined with practice, this is a glutton for punishment and asking for trouble. According to Coach Geno Auriemma, Paige does not want to come out of the game. What is Paige trying to prove? She is not the bionic woman. Is she just trying to pad her statistics? In my opinion, it is selfishness on her part, because it is denying her teammates a chance to play, particularly all of the games were well decided with the exception of the one they lost. I hope Geno and Paige come to their senses. If they don't, the next injury to Paige may be a career ending one.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 7, 2021 15:56:13 GMT -5
Sometimes it is caused by repetitive strain on the knee, but in many cases it is not.
I suggest you subscribe to a different newspaper. Bueckers has played the full 40 minutes just once this year.
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Post by alum on Dec 7, 2021 16:08:48 GMT -5
I was there. (Free tickets from my UConn grad brother.) She took three hard falls during the fourth quarter before this happened. I went through the box score and then matched it up to the video posted above. She took a charge in the lane with 8:29 to go, was crushed going for a ball on a rebound that hit the floor at 6:27, and then was pushed by the ball handler and went to the floor as she tried to make a steal from behind. Maybe this injury is unrelated to all of these incidents but the last two were fairly violent. As Bison notes, it didn't happen while she was dribbling up the court. Did it happen on one of the other incidents? Who knows? I suppose the only thing to ask is whether the damage is worse because she fell on it again? I have to think she noticed some weakness or tenderness before she fell. I doubt that either the player or the coach is going to acknowledge that or let the doctors offer that opinion.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 7, 2021 16:15:28 GMT -5
I was there. (Free tickets from my UConn grad brother.) She took three hard falls during the fourth quarter before this happened. I went through the box score and then matched it up to the video posted above. She took a charge in the lane with 8:29 to go, was crushed going for a ball on a rebound that hit the floor at 6:27, and then was pushed by the ball handler and went to the floor as she tried to make a steal from behind. Maybe this injury is unrelated to all of these incidents but the last two were fairly violent. As Bison notes, it didn't happen while she was dribbling up the court. Did it happen on one of the other incidents? Who knows? I suppose the only thing to ask is whether the damage is worse because she fell on it again? I have to think she noticed some weakness or tenderness before she fell. I doubt that neither the player nor the coach is going to acknowledge that or let the doctors offer that opinion. Looking at the video again, I don't think the first or third incidents affected the knee/tibia area at all. However the second one - where she dove into a crowd going for a loose ball - might have been a factor. She didn't need any treatment however, and there was nothing to indicate Geno should sub her out - especially with the game far from over. |
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Post by hchoops on Dec 7, 2021 16:25:15 GMT -5
OK
But should she have finished the game with the result already decided, even at the 3 minute mark you referenced ?
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Post by wstruz71 on Dec 7, 2021 17:23:55 GMT -5
I was there. (Free tickets from my UConn grad brother.) She took three hard falls during the fourth quarter before this happened. I went through the box score and then matched it up to the video posted above. She took a charge in the lane with 8:29 to go, was crushed going for a ball on a rebound that hit the floor at 6:27, and then was pushed by the ball handler and went to the floor as she tried to make a steal from behind. Maybe this injury is unrelated to all of these incidents but the last two were fairly violent. As Bison notes, it didn't happen while she was dribbling up the court. Did it happen on one of the other incidents? Who knows? I suppose the only thing to ask is whether the damage is worse because she fell on it again? I have to think she noticed some weakness or tenderness before she fell. I doubt that either the player or the coach is going to acknowledge that or let the doctors offer that opinion. Paige has a tibial plateau fracture, which is a fracture just below the knee. Again, a tibial fracture is caused by a REPETITIVE strain on the bone. Paige's excess playing time combined with all her practicing can cause a repetitive strain on the bone. In addition, the events you described above could have compounded the matter and eventually led to the fracture. However, it surprises me to read Paige will be out only 6 to 8 weeks. Normally, a tibial fracture requires a minimum of 4 months for FULL recovery. If Paige expedites her recovery time, she will be setting herself up for a career ending injury. |
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Post by bison137 on Dec 7, 2021 18:23:50 GMT -5
I was there. (Free tickets from my UConn grad brother.) She took three hard falls during the fourth quarter before this happened. I went through the box score and then matched it up to the video posted above. She took a charge in the lane with 8:29 to go, was crushed going for a ball on a rebound that hit the floor at 6:27, and then was pushed by the ball handler and went to the floor as she tried to make a steal from behind. Maybe this injury is unrelated to all of these incidents but the last two were fairly violent. As Bison notes, it didn't happen while she was dribbling up the court. Did it happen on one of the other incidents? Who knows? I suppose the only thing to ask is whether the damage is worse because she fell on it again? I have to think she noticed some weakness or tenderness before she fell. I doubt that either the player or the coach is going to acknowledge that or let the doctors offer that opinion. Paige has a tibial plateau fracture, which is a fracture just below the knee. Again, a tibial fracture is caused by a REPETITIVE strain on the bone. Paige's excess playing time combined with all her practicing can cause a repetitive strain on the bone. In addition, the events you described above could have compounded the matter and eventually led to the fracture. However, it surprises me to read Paige will be out only 6 to 8 weeks. Normally, a tibial fracture requires a minimum of 4 months for FULL recovery. If Paige expedites her recovery time, she will be setting herself up for a career ending injury. No offense, but the above indicates you don’t understand this at all. A good place to start would be the article in The Athletic on this injury. The injury she has rarely requires more than 6-8 weeks, according to orthopedist. A return in that timeframe will not cause her any risk at all. |
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Post by wstruz71 on Dec 7, 2021 18:46:45 GMT -5
Paige has a tibial plateau fracture, which is a fracture just below the knee. Again, a tibial fracture is caused by a REPETITIVE strain on the bone. Paige's excess playing time combined with all her practicing can cause a repetitive strain on the bone. In addition, the events you described above could have compounded the matter and eventually led to the fracture. However, it surprises me to read Paige will be out only 6 to 8 weeks. Normally, a tibial fracture requires a minimum of 4 months for FULL recovery. If Paige expedites her recovery time, she will be setting herself up for a career ending injury. No offense, but the above indicates you don’t understand this at all. A good place to start would be the article in The Athletic on this injury. The injury she has rarely requires more than 6-8 weeks, according to orthopedist. A return in that timeframe will not cause her any risk at all. I don't care to belabor the point. However, there was an article in The Athletic about Paige Bueckers' injury. There were several posted comments on the article, and the commenters all agree with me that 6 to 8 weeks for a tibial plateau fracture (TPF) is total BS. According to one poster, he had a minor TPF, and he still could not put his weight on his foot after 8 weeks. I obtained my information about a TPF from doing a Google on it. I read several articles from my search. and all the articles indicate a minimum of 4 months for full recovery. In addition, the articles state arthritis of the knee is possible from this injury. Simply put, I would not hasten any kind of recovery from this injury. It is possible Paige could be out for the rest of the season. On the other hand, her ego says she will be back before the NCAA Tournament. |
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 7, 2021 18:58:10 GMT -5
"Paging Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard"
If anyone knows how to manage a roster of WBB players, it is Geno and Associate Head Coach Chris Daley. Decades of sustained excellence (1985 to present) should be all the defense they need.
Having said that I also like it when the subs can get in, but it is a stretch to blame either a player or coach for an injury such as this.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 7, 2021 19:34:29 GMT -5
No offense, but the above indicates you don’t understand this at all. A good place to start would be the article in The Athletic on this injury. The injury she has rarely requires more than 6-8 weeks, according to orthopedist. A return in that timeframe will not cause her any risk at all. I don't care to belabor the point. However, there was an article in The Athletic about Paige Bueckers' injury. There were several posted comments on the article, and the commenters all agree with me that 6 to 8 weeks for a tibial plateau fracture (TPF) is total BS. According to one poster, he had a minor TPF, and he still could not put his weight on his foot after 8 weeks. I obtained my information about a TPF from doing a Google on it. I read several articles from my search. and all the articles indicate a minimum of 4 months for full recovery. In addition, the articles state arthritis of the knee is possible from this injury. Simply put, I would not hasten any kind of recovery from this injury. It is possible Paige could be out for the rest of the season. On the other hand, her ego says she will be back before the NCAA Tournament. Every orthopedist disagrees with you. This is my last post on this thread, as it has degenerated into total nonsense. |
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Post by HC92 on Dec 8, 2021 19:51:13 GMT -5
I’m with 137 on this one. She’ll be back for some regular season and then the games that matter. Time will tell who is right.
I also think Geno could have gone to the bench once the game was decided. Not like he’s rolling scrubs out there when he has to go to his bench.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 11, 2021 22:49:03 GMT -5
ESPN reporting that Bueckers is considering surgery that would push her return back by a month which would be mid-late February instead of mid-late January.
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Post by alum on Aug 3, 2022 15:10:10 GMT -5
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 3, 2022 15:22:51 GMT -5
Just listed in the UConn thread here that the school just announced she’s out for the season with a torn acl - same left knee that she injured last season - What a tough break for Geno as this team was loaded once again
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Post by alum on Apr 14, 2023 9:01:52 GMT -5
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