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Post by purplehaze on Dec 8, 2021 11:35:21 GMT -5
The Ivy board has a thread started after the 'Nova game which has morphed into a lot of complementary posts about HC and their history of playing Ivy teams - then someone posted this bit of history - anyone ever heard of thie ?:
On December 5 1931, teams from Brown Dartmouth Holy Cross and Yale played a charity tournament at Yale bowl. Labeled the Gloomy Bowl the teams raised money for charity as the US was in the depth of Great Depression. A chronicle of the event written by former Dartmouth SID, indicates the team event was great success with 28000 attending the Yale Bowl at $2 a ticket, Great chronicle on Ivy/Holy Cross history. Job well done Brown Bears,Dartmouth , Holy Cross Crusaders and Yale Bulldogs of 1931!
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Post by hc6774 on Dec 8, 2021 11:39:20 GMT -5
I believe this was posted... football was very regional then & still is for the Ivies & us
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 8, 2021 13:04:23 GMT -5
Yes, this story's been posted here on Crossports before. Guess that's why some here think HC should have been admitted to the Ivy League sometime in the last 50 years. Whatever.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 12, 2021 18:30:54 GMT -5
Wouldn't BC have played Ivies as often as us in the thirties and ensuing decades until they started to go big time?
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Post by hc87 on Dec 12, 2021 21:02:24 GMT -5
Wouldn't BC have played Ivies as often as us in the thirties and ensuing decades until they started to go big time? An interesting query....without checking I know BC largely did not play the Ivies much or as nearly as often as we did from the 1920s-1960s or so. One hunch is that HC was considered a "respectable Catholic opponent" by the New England Ivies then... i.e. HC was considered a respected academic institution whereas BC for much of that era was seen as a "commuter school" or "night school." I'm not being snide when I say this too....that's how BC was viewed well into the 1950s and 1960s by many. |
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 12, 2021 22:22:58 GMT -5
Wouldn't BC have played Ivies as often as us in the thirties and ensuing decades until they started to go big time? An interesting query....without checking I know BC largely did not play the Ivies much or as nearly as often as we did from the 1920s-1960s or so. One hunch is that HC was considered a "respectable Catholic opponent" by the New England Ivies then... i.e. HC was considered a respected academic institution whereas BC for much of that era was seen as a "commuter school" or "night school." I'm not being snide when I say this too....that's how BC was viewed well into the 1950s and 1960s by many. That jives with when I was applying to college 51 years ago. HC was harder to get into than BC. Time to restore order to the Jesuit Universe in the Bay State. PVR has a full plate. |
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Post by timholycross on Dec 13, 2021 8:24:34 GMT -5
Wouldn't BC have played Ivies as often as us in the thirties and ensuing decades until they started to go big time? An interesting query....without checking I know BC largely did not play the Ivies much or as nearly as often as we did from the 1920s-1960s or so. One hunch is that HC was considered a "respectable Catholic opponent" by the New England Ivies then... i.e. HC was considered a respected academic institution whereas BC for much of that era was seen as a "commuter school" or "night school." I'm not being snide when I say this too....that's how BC was viewed well into the 1950s and 1960s by many. (No criticism of HC, but I like BCs record book better, in addition to year-by-year results, they show the games by school as well. Ours only shows the games by schools if we currently play that school) BC played Dartmouth in 1959 and Yale in 1980 and 1981. Everything else versus the Ivies (H, Y, Brown, Dartmouth) was 1920 or before; or during WW2, when there were radically different schedules with limited travel. Yale they beat twice, huge upsets. Maybe that's why Y dropped them. Harvard, same years, didn't fare as well, losing twice. Not so much as a "first meeting ever between these fine institutions" when it comes to BC versus Cornell, Columbia, Penn or Princeton. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 13, 2021 9:38:26 GMT -5
A little unrelated but in a similar vein to BC having little to no history playing rhe Ivies, BC has a pretty long history with Navy. Meanwhile Holy Cross and Navy had never met in football until 2019. I always thought that was interesting especially given the frequency with which we played at West Point historically.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 13, 2021 23:18:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I've always felt HC-Navy not playing each other....particularly in this era, 1920s-1960s was very odd given that HC had such a strong naval presence from WW2 on in its V-12, NROTC etc programs. It must have been geography issues in that we played Army nearly annually in the 70s and 80s.
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Post by hc6774 on Dec 14, 2021 7:55:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I've always felt HC-Navy not playing each other....particularly in this era, 1920s-1960s was very odd given that HC had such a strong naval presence from WW2 on in its V-12, NROTC etc programs. It must have been geography issues in that we played Army nearly annually in the 70s and 80s. Post WWII we played the Newport/Quonset Pt Torpedo Raiders & the Quantico Marines years ago I flew with a Navy footballer from the Staubach teams. he said the Navy team traveled a lot more than Army team; Navy scheduled the team around the country 7 or 8 times a season '... like the Blue Angels' |
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Post by hc87 on Dec 14, 2021 13:46:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I've always felt HC-Navy not playing each other....particularly in this era, 1920s-1960s was very odd given that HC had such a strong naval presence from WW2 on in its V-12, NROTC etc programs. It must have been geography issues in that we played Army nearly annually in the 70s and 80s. Post WWII we played the Newport/Quonset Pt Torpedo Raiders & the Quantico Marines years ago I flew with a Navy footballer from the Staubach teams. he said the Navy team traveled a lot more than Army team; Navy scheduled the team around the country 7 or 8 times a season '... like the Blue Angels' Yeah, they (Navy) probably felt they had New England covered in playing BC....playing HC too then would be superflous in their eyes I'm guessing. |
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 14, 2021 15:28:13 GMT -5
Post WWII we played the Newport/Quonset Pt Torpedo Raiders & the Quantico Marines years ago I flew with a Navy footballer from the Staubach teams. he said the Navy team traveled a lot more than Army team; Navy scheduled the team around the country 7 or 8 times a season '... like the Blue Angels' Yeah, they (Navy) probably felt they had New England covered in playing BC....playing HC too then would be superflous in their eyes I'm guessing. Which means little Billy Belichick never went to that used book store across the street from the Worcester Public Library when he joined his father for scouting trips. That's what the two of them would do when visiting a city to scout an upcoming Navy opponent, visit the used book stores to find books on football to build their collection which became the largest ever in private hands and was donated to the Naval Academy. |
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