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Post by hchoops on Dec 15, 2021 9:13:09 GMT -5
Steph Curry broke Ray Allen’s all time 3 point shot record at MSG last night. And his college coach, Bob McKillop has said that Steph is even a better person than he is a player.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 15, 2021 13:09:00 GMT -5
I don't follow the NBA closely but I do know that Steph Curry is both a tremendous shooter and all around player, one of the best ever. Funny thing is that he does not have the highest 3 point shooting percentage in his own family--little brother Seth, not on his level overall of course, has a higher career 3 point percentage. Dad Dell was no slouch either--what a shooting family!
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Post by newfieguy74 on Dec 15, 2021 14:25:27 GMT -5
I've been following NBA and college basketball for 60 years and IMO Steph Curry is without question the greatest shooter ever. It's not like he's doing it alone on his driveway. People are trying to stop him.
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Post by thecrossisback on Dec 15, 2021 17:05:45 GMT -5
Maybe he is the greatest ever. But a shot for your life you want Curry to take it?
Give me Jordan, Give me Bird Give me Reggie Give me Ray Allen
Did you know that 18 more people have thrown more touchdown passes then Joe Montana.
You are backed up at the 5 yard line and need to go 95 yards. Outside of Brady give me Montana all day over all of the other guys!
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 15, 2021 19:15:15 GMT -5
Maybe he is the greatest ever. But a shot for your life you want Curry to take it? Give me Jordan, Give me Bird Give me Reggie Give me Ray Allen Did you know that 18 more people have thrown more touchdown passes then Joe Montana. You are backed up at the 5 yard line and need to go 95 yards. Outside of Brady give me Montana all day over all of the other guys! Its a nice record (that he will ultimately shatter by a wide margin). Also have to remember that the 3pt shot has only been in existence for 35 years. It's not quite Aaron (or Maris) passing Ruth as far as historical signifigance. But I would put Steph right up there with Bird, West, Allen and Miller in the "best shooter ever" debate. He's helped revolutionize the way the game is played at the pro level, for better or for worse. Good analogy with Montana. If you looked only at statistics, Montana and Aikman wouldn't even compare to the top third of NFL QBs today. Because its a different era of passing offense. Namath's STATS within the lens of today's game would make Sam Darnold look like a Hall of Famer.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 15, 2021 19:59:58 GMT -5
Maybe he is the greatest ever. But a shot for your life you want Curry to take it? Give me Jordan, Give me Bird Give me Reggie Give me Ray Allen Did you know that 18 more people have thrown more touchdown passes then Joe Montana. You are backed up at the 5 yard line and need to go 95 yards. Outside of Brady give me Montana all day over all of the other guys! Its a nice record (that he will ultimately shatter by a wide margin). Also have to remember that the 3pt shot has only been in existence for 35 years. It's not quite Aaron (or Maris) passing Ruth as far as historical signifigance. But I would put Steph right up there with Bird, West, Allen and Miller in the "best shooter ever" debate. He's helped revolutionize the way the game is played at the pro level, for better or for worse. Good analogy with Montana. If you looked only at statistics, Montana and Aikman wouldn't even compare to the top third of NFL QBs today. Because its a different era of passing offense. Namath's STATS within the lens of today's game would make Sam Darnold look like a Hall of Famer. Steph has hit nearly double the amount of three pointers than Bird even attempted in his career. Steph has hit 145 already this season in 27 games while Bird's career high in attempts was in 1987-1988 when he attempted 237 in 76 games. Much different game today
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 15, 2021 20:12:10 GMT -5
Can you imagine if Jack the Shot had the 3 point shot? He did not play defense very well, but he always had that shot.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 15, 2021 20:21:51 GMT -5
Maybe he is the greatest ever. But a shot for your life you want Curry to take it? Give me Jordan, Give me Bird Give me Reggie Give me Ray Allen Did you know that 18 more people have thrown more touchdown passes then Joe Montana. You are backed up at the 5 yard line and need to go 95 yards. Outside of Brady give me Montana all day over all of the other guys! Its a nice record (that he will ultimately shatter by a wide margin). Also have to remember that the 3pt shot has only been in existence for 35 years. It's not quite Aaron (or Maris) passing Ruth as far as historical signifigance. But I would put Steph right up there with Bird, West, Allen and Miller in the "best shooter ever" debate. He's helped revolutionize the way the game is played at the pro level, for better or for worse. Good analogy with Montana. If you looked only at statistics, Montana and Aikman wouldn't even compare to the top third of NFL QBs today. Because its a different era of passing offense. Namath's STATS within the lens of today's game would make Sam Darnold look like a Hall of Famer. Here's my opinion on a couple of these players: Namath was a very charming fellow but likely the most overrated professional athlete in history. I base that judgment on what he accomplished as a pro football player,not on what his potential might have been . Montana was a great QB and the second best QB in 49ers history. Winning championships is certainly a team's goal but I wouldn't take Tony Kubek or Frankie Crosetti over Ernie Banks orCal Ripken or Ozzie Smith at shortstop.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 15, 2021 20:28:27 GMT -5
Maybe he is the greatest ever. But a shot for your life you want Curry to take it? Give me Jordan, Give me Bird Give me Reggie Give me Ray Allen Did you know that 18 more people have thrown more touchdown passes then Joe Montana. You are backed up at the 5 yard line and need to go 95 yards. Outside of Brady give me Montana all day over all of the other guys! Its a nice record (that he will ultimately shatter by a wide margin). Also have to remember that the 3pt shot has only been in existence for 35 years. It's not quite Aaron (or Maris) passing Ruth as far as historical signifigance. But I would put Steph right up there with Bird, West, Allen and Miller in the "best shooter ever" debate. He's helped revolutionize the way the game is played at the pro level, for better or for worse. Good analogy with Montana. If you looked only at statistics, Montana and Aikman wouldn't even compare to the top third of NFL QBs today. Because its a different era of passing offense. Namath's STATS within the lens of today's game would make Sam Darnold look like a Hall of Famer. What historic victory did Sam Darnold guarantee? I still remember the thrill of Broadway Joe guaranteeing the Jets of the upstart AFL, the league of mostly non Big League outposts like Buffalo, San Diego, Miami, Denver would beat the storied Baltimore Colts and then he went out and did it.
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Post by thecrossisback on Dec 15, 2021 20:49:39 GMT -5
Its a nice record (that he will ultimately shatter by a wide margin). Also have to remember that the 3pt shot has only been in existence for 35 years. It's not quite Aaron (or Maris) passing Ruth as far as historical signifigance. But I would put Steph right up there with Bird, West, Allen and Miller in the "best shooter ever" debate. He's helped revolutionize the way the game is played at the pro level, for better or for worse. Good analogy with Montana. If you looked only at statistics, Montana and Aikman wouldn't even compare to the top third of NFL QBs today. Because its a different era of passing offense. Namath's STATS within the lens of today's game would make Sam Darnold look like a Hall of Famer. What historic victory did Sam Darnold guarantee? I still remember the thrill of Broadway Joe guaranteeing the Jets of the upstart AFL, the league of mostly non Big League outposts like Buffalo, San Diego, Miami, Denver would beat the storied Baltimore Colts and then he went out and did it. I was born in 1999 But that pass Namath made to Maynard in the championship game vs Oakland at Shea Stadium unreal! Clutch!
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Post by Tom on Dec 16, 2021 8:35:44 GMT -5
Can you imagine if Jack the Shot had the 3 point shot? He did not play defense very well, but he always had that shot. Before my time, but from what I've been told, a significant percentage of his shots were beyond what today would be called the three point line
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Post by Tom on Dec 16, 2021 8:38:52 GMT -5
In terms of greatest shooter ever, , ,
How about Chuck Connors? Could shoot a basketball while playing for the Celtics, but could always hit his target when shooting a rifle - so good that he could shoot from the hip without raising the rifle to eyelevel to aim
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 16, 2021 9:29:44 GMT -5
Can you imagine if Jack the Shot had the 3 point shot? He did not play defense very well, but he always had that shot. Before my time, but from what I've been told, a significant percentage of his shots were beyond what today would be called the three point line Most were three point shots (or would have been today). Even in the NBA his shot stood out.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 16, 2021 12:00:33 GMT -5
Have to believe RP Jr would have at least come close to 3,000 points with a 3 point line.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 16, 2021 12:06:02 GMT -5
Ed Siudut was born at the wrong time. No freshmen eligibility for varsity and no 3 point arc. Great shooter!
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Post by Tom on Dec 16, 2021 12:41:34 GMT -5
Have to believe RP Jr would have at least come close to 3,000 points with a 3 point line. Somewhat better than 50 percent of Ronnie's field goals would have to have been outside the arc. I scanned down the names on that database on the website to check on guys that I remembered as liking to take a lot of deep shots. Not too many made more 3 pointers than 2 pointers. Based on about 3 minutes of research the only names I came up with were Anthony Thompson, Mark Jerz and James Stowers. (the first name that came to my mind was Lorne Davis - close, but he made more 2's than 3's) I might have thought along the same lines as NAD, but being a big scorer and more than 50% from outside the line is a tall order. Ronnie probably would be farther from 3000 than gut instinct would have guessed. --------------------------- Total tangent: I really like that 1952-"present" database. It would be nice if someone had updated it in the last 3 1/2 years. They started that new stat system in 2020 and seem to have abandoned past that
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 16, 2021 14:05:41 GMT -5
Have to believe RP Jr would have at least come close to 3,000 points with a 3 point line. Somewhat better than 50 percent of Ronnie's field goals would have to have been outside the arc. I scanned down the names on that database on the website to check on guys that I remembered as liking to take a lot of deep shots. Not too many made more 3 pointers than 2 pointers. Based on about 3 minutes of research the only names I came up with were Anthony Thompson, Mark Jerz and James Stowers. (the first name that came to my mind was Lorne Davis - close, but he made more 2's than 3's) I might have thought along the same lines as NAD, but being a big scorer and more than 50% from outside the line is a tall order. Ronnie probably would be farther from 3000 than gut instinct would have guessed. --------------------------- Total tangent: I really like that 1952-"present" database. It would be nice if someone had updated it in the last 3 1/2 years. They started that new stat system in 2020 and seem to have abandoned past that It would be so easy to assign some intern or student to update the database--it should be done
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Post by WCHC Sports on Dec 16, 2021 14:08:48 GMT -5
This is an easy stat to remember (so long as it's correct), since it's his number: Bird attempted only 3.3 three point shots per game in his career. Steph is averaging something like 13 per game this season. He has maybe 5-6 of the top 10, if not more, 3 point attempts in a season. It's so much more a part of his game, and today's NBA game, as opposed to the past.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 16, 2021 15:02:52 GMT -5
Ed Siudut was born at the wrong time. No freshmen eligibility for varsity and no 3 point arc. Great shooter! In September of his freshman year (1965 I believe) Ed was shooting in the field house at the basket closest to the official entrance. As he made his shot, he would move back further. He reached the out of bounds line and kept retreating. An amazing scorer, with a great variety, and shooter.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 16, 2021 15:07:06 GMT -5
I saw Jack the Shot only in two NITs, in 1961 and 1962. He was truly a great shooter, but most of his makes in those games were from today’s two point range. Ron Perry Jr. made more deep takes than The Shot. Ed Siudut made by far the most in the games that I witnessed.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 16, 2021 15:45:09 GMT -5
That is good to know. I saw Jack in a number of games. It may be poor memory, but I recall seeing him shoot about half of his shots from 3 point range. (I only was at one of his NIT games, 1962 IIRC).
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Post by hchoops on Dec 16, 2021 16:51:30 GMT -5
That is good to know. I saw Jack in a number of games. It may be poor memory, but I recall seeing him shoot about half of his shots from 3 point range. (I only was at one of his NIT games, 1962 IIRC). Just curious. Besides that one NIT game, when did you see The Shot play ?
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 16, 2021 17:09:00 GMT -5
On t.v. (Channel 13 in NYC in b+w) and in person at HC (and a few years after his NBA days when he played for a local amateur team). I remember wins against Seton Hall, BC and BU (and a loss to BU as well). I got to travel to New England with guys from Bergen Cath (and tnheirfamilies) going to visit colleges. Why do you ask? PS: I saw HC play off campus and never took a campus tour until I actually up to start my freshman year.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 16, 2021 17:24:57 GMT -5
Because I did not remember them on TV when The Shot played
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 17, 2021 8:24:05 GMT -5
Watching on Channel 13 in the NY area (I think it may have been pre-PBS) was clearly not the best, but it was still something. Im also watched St Bonaventure's vs Providence that way. Heck, that was back in the day when NY Channel 11 had the high school game of the week...including special halftime entertainment.
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