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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 19, 2021 23:31:16 GMT -5
After Jan 8, it will be interesting to compare attendance, atmosphere, etc. at the Frisco stadium, which is hosting two BCS bowl games in addition to the FCS final. I always wonder what's in it for the JMUs of the world moving up. There's really a level in between "real" BCS and FCS. Bowl eligible but for what obscure bowls? The most obscure one is on Xmas Eve. Hawaii finished 6-7 but got some kind of exemption to be bowl eligible. Hosting 6-6 Memphis, who must be happy to get a trip to Hawaii (at least in most years, a Covid year, perhaps not). The game is on UHawaii's campus. Aloha Stadium has been permanently shuttered, to be replaced by a 35K facility in 3 or 4 years. Capacity of where they're playing, something on the order of 9K. Big time, indeed. As far as dollars go, its more advantageous to be on the FBS side of the fence than FCS. The reason is that the TV money significantly increases as does the opportunity to schedule multiple guarantee games. Low-level FBS also command a higher dollar amount for these guarantee games than FCS. Are schools like App State profiting hand over fist from football? Cue PP for the data, but it's my understanding that you "lose less" because of the revenue growth. Obviously, expenses also go up. Hawaii is the default invitee to the Hawaii Bowl as long as they a) win 6 games and b) aren't selected to a New Year's Bowl Game like when they went to the Sugar Bowl during the June Jones/Colt Brennan era. It's effectively an 8th or 9th home game for Hawaii as long as they can achieve bowl eligibility. There's some kind of weird rule where Hawaii is allowed to play 13 regular season games every year and every team that plays Hawaii out-of-conference is ALSO allowed to play 13 games. I don't understand the logic but it's been that way for 25 years at least. As far as the 9K-seat facility, they'll be fine. These low-level bowl games, especially the pre-Christmas ones, draw flies. The attendance figures are totally fugasi, too (opposite of FCS playoffs as far as reporting). Bahamas Bowl listed like 13,000 in attendance => if you watched the game, there were MAYBE 3,000 there. Probably less. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 20, 2021 1:50:06 GMT -5
After Jan 8, it will be interesting to compare attendance, atmosphere, etc. at the Frisco stadium, which is hosting two BCS bowl games in addition to the FCS final. I always wonder what's in it for the JMUs of the world moving up. There's really a level in between "real" BCS and FCS. Bowl eligible but for what obscure bowls? The most obscure one is on Xmas Eve. Hawaii finished 6-7 but got some kind of exemption to be bowl eligible. Hosting 6-6 Memphis, who must be happy to get a trip to Hawaii (at least in most years, a Covid year, perhaps not). The game is on UHawaii's campus. Aloha Stadium has been permanently shuttered, to be replaced by a 35K facility in 3 or 4 years. Capacity of where they're playing, something on the order of 9K. Big time, indeed. As far as dollars go, its more advantageous to be on the FBS side of the fence than FCS. The reason is that the TV money significantly increases as does the opportunity to schedule multiple guarantee games. Low-level FBS also command a higher dollar amount for these guarantee games than FCS. Are schools like App State profiting hand over fist from football? Cue PP for the data, but it's my understanding that you "lose less" because of the revenue growth. Obviously, expenses also go up. Hawaii is the default invitee to the Hawaii Bowl as long as they a) win 6 games and b) aren't selected to a New Year's Bowl Game like when they went to the Sugar Bowl during the June Jones/Colt Brennan era. It's effectively an 8th or 9th home game for Hawaii as long as they can achieve bowl eligibility. There's some kind of weird rule where Hawaii is allowed to play 13 regular season games every year and every team that plays Hawaii out-of-conference is ALSO allowed to play 13 games. I don't understand the logic but it's been that way for 25 years at least. As far as the 9K-seat facility, they'll be fine. These low-level bowl games, especially the pre-Christmas ones, draw flies. The attendance figures are totally fugasi, too (opposite of FCS playoffs as far as reporting). Bahamas Bowl listed like 13,000 in attendance => if you watched the game, there were MAYBE 3,000 there. Probably less. ESPN owns like 95 percent of the bowls so they are just filling TV time and the ratings for the bowl games are good for them. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 20, 2021 8:40:10 GMT -5
After Jan 8, it will be interesting to compare attendance, atmosphere, etc. at the Frisco stadium, which is hosting two BCS bowl games in addition to the FCS final. I always wonder what's in it for the JMUs of the world moving up. There's really a level in between "real" BCS and FCS. Bowl eligible but for what obscure bowls? The most obscure one is on Xmas Eve. Hawaii finished 6-7 but got some kind of exemption to be bowl eligible. Hosting 6-6 Memphis, who must be happy to get a trip to Hawaii (at least in most years, a Covid year, perhaps not). The game is on UHawaii's campus. Aloha Stadium has been permanently shuttered, to be replaced by a 35K facility in 3 or 4 years. Capacity of where they're playing, something on the order of 9K. Big time, indeed. As far as dollars go, its more advantageous to be on the FBS side of the fence than FCS. The reason is that the TV money significantly increases as does the opportunity to schedule multiple guarantee games. Low-level FBS also command a higher dollar amount for these guarantee games than FCS. Are schools like App State profiting hand over fist from football? Cue PP for the data, but it's my understanding that you "lose less" because of the revenue growth. Obviously, expenses also go up. Hawaii is the default invitee to the Hawaii Bowl as long as they a) win 6 games and b) aren't selected to a New Year's Bowl Game like when they went to the Sugar Bowl during the June Jones/Colt Brennan era. It's effectively an 8th or 9th home game for Hawaii as long as they can achieve bowl eligibility. There's some kind of weird rule where Hawaii is allowed to play 13 regular season games every year and every team that plays Hawaii out-of-conference is ALSO allowed to play 13 games. I don't understand the logic but it's been that way for 25 years at least. As far as the 9K-seat facility, they'll be fine. These low-level bowl games, especially the pre-Christmas ones, draw flies. The attendance figures are totally fugasi, too (opposite of FCS playoffs as far as reporting). Bahamas Bowl listed like 13,000 in attendance => if you watched the game, there were MAYBE 3,000 there. Probably less. In 2018-19, the last year, because of COVID, for which there will be good data until 2021-22, the FBS Autonomous schools had a median generated revenue of $109 million; the FBS non-autonomy schools had a median generated revenue of $14 million. Total revenue is calculated by adding generated revenue to a school's subsidy. If generated revenue is sufficient to cover expenses, there is generally no need for the subsidy. The athletic program is self-sufficient. Median net loss for the autonomy schools was $7 million, range of $44 million 'profit' to $45 million loss. Median net loss for the non-autonomy FBS was $23 million, range of the net loss was $65 million to $6 million. No non-autonomy FBS school had a 'profit'. When I have more time, I'll do a comparison of revenue sources between non-autonomy FBS and FCS. |
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 20, 2021 8:54:04 GMT -5
OK, I'll play the dunce. What's an autonomy school vs. a non-autonomy school? Independent vs. in a conference/league? If so, why didn't you just say that?  |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 20, 2021 10:11:06 GMT -5
OK, I'll play the dunce. What's an autonomy school vs. a non-autonomy school? Independent vs. in a conference/league? If so, why didn't you just say that? Autonomy schools are the Power Five Conferences. Everybody else in FBS is non-autonomy. The autonomy schools don't share their football playoff or major bowl revenue with the NCAA. They also can provide athletes with additional money to cover the full cost of attendance; e.g., travel money. |
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 20, 2021 10:12:02 GMT -5
Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 20, 2021 10:16:27 GMT -5
So the NCAA doesn't get any $$$ when Ohio State or Auburn play in a bowl game but BYU, Houston, and Cincinnati have to cough up a cut of their take?
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Post by HC92 on Dec 20, 2021 10:47:00 GMT -5
Would be interesting to see how many HC fans would travel to Frisco were we ever to make it that far. Early January is a tough one for vacation time. Kids are back in school. Most employers are just getting back to full speed after a slow few weeks with everyone cashing in vacation time at year end. I’d say maybe 1000 if we were lucky. Hopefully the Gilliam, Haskins, Ayeni and Springer families would turn out with large contingents of friends and family from their Texas towns.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 20, 2021 10:58:32 GMT -5
I always wonder what's in it for the JMUs of the world moving up. There's really a level in between "real" BCS and FCS. Bowl eligible but for what obscure bowls? It's about more than football. Every FBS upgrade in the last 30 years have been mid and second-tier state schools. A seat at this table buys them legitimacy within their state--gains in admissions from kids who see this as a "better school", gains in campus upgrades, but most importantly, gains in state appropriations. Take a school like UAB. Once a commuter school for kids in Birmingham, routinely shunned by the Alabama funding board so that money went to Tuscaloosa and Auburn. Now with 13,000 undergraduates, it's now an R1 university and has a $500M endowment. A new $175 million stadium opened this year. Same for South Alabama, even though it has never won more than six games in a season at this level. They have a new $78 million stadium, too. Meanwhile, public schools like North Alabama and West Alabama are largely unknown outside that state. Why? They play Division II. |
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 20, 2021 11:03:53 GMT -5
So the NCAA doesn't get any $$$ when Ohio State or Auburn play in a bowl game but BYU, Houston, and Cincinnati have to cough up a cut of their take? Now the power basketball coaches want to take food out of the mouths of HC, Assumption, Anna Maria, etc. also. They are so frustrated with the slow pace of the NCAA committee structure even their multi million dollar salaries will not placate them. The world is ending and they must be given autonomy now! |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 20, 2021 11:28:28 GMT -5
So the NCAA doesn't get any $$$ when Ohio State or Auburn play in a bowl game but BYU, Houston, and Cincinnati have to cough up a cut of their take? See explanation and payout here. fanbuzz.com/college-football/bowl-game-payouts/For the lesser bowls, I believe the payout is to the participating schools, and no obligation to share unless the conference requires payout to be shared. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 20, 2021 11:29:48 GMT -5
Would be interesting to see how many HC fans would travel to Frisco were we ever to make it that far. Early January is a tough one for vacation time. Kids are back in school. Most employers are just getting back to full speed after a slow few weeks with everyone cashing in vacation time at year end. I’d say maybe 1000 if we were lucky. Hopefully the Gilliam, Haskins, Ayeni and Springer families would turn out with large contingents of friends and family from their Texas towns. I actually think we'd get at least double that. It is held on a Saturday so could realistically fly into Dallas after school/work Friday. And fly back Sunday morning. But I still think both HC and the PL have ways to go before we realistically have a shot to get to the natty. Since 2010, only one unseeded team has made it to the final (Youngstown in '17 - lost to JMU). And the PL has only had one team in that time good enough to be seeded (Colgate in '18). Not easy having to win 4 games to get to Frisco. |
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Post by hcpride on Dec 20, 2021 11:42:20 GMT -5
Given our schedule, I don’t think we get a seed in the FCS playoffs next year without beating Buffalo.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 20, 2021 11:50:52 GMT -5
Given our schedule, I don’t think we get a seed in the FCS playoffs next year without beating Buffalo. Out of the Patriot League, we might need to run the table to get a seed. Or 10-1 w only loss to Buffalo. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 20, 2021 11:54:52 GMT -5
Out of the Patriot League, we might need to run the table to get a seed. Or 10-1 w only loss to Buffalo. The near term prognosis for PL playoff potential: Holy Cross: Promising Fordham: Hopeful Colgate, Lafayette, Lehigh: Extremely Doubtful Bucknell, Georgetown: Pointless |
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 20, 2021 12:11:05 GMT -5
So the NCAA doesn't get any $$$ when Ohio State or Auburn play in a bowl game but BYU, Houston, and Cincinnati have to cough up a cut of their take? The NCAA has never gotten revenue from the bowl games.... |
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 20, 2021 12:13:27 GMT -5
Would be interesting to see how many HC fans would travel to Frisco were we ever to make it that far. Early January is a tough one for vacation time. Kids are back in school. Most employers are just getting back to full speed after a slow few weeks with everyone cashing in vacation time at year end. I’d say maybe 1000 if we were lucky. Hopefully the Gilliam, Haskins, Ayeni and Springer families would turn out with large contingents of friends and family from their Texas towns. Pipe dream.... |
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 20, 2021 12:16:12 GMT -5
I always wonder what's in it for the JMUs of the world moving up. There's really a level in between "real" BCS and FCS. Bowl eligible but for what obscure bowls? It's about more than football. Every FBS upgrade in the last 30 years have been mid and second-tier state schools. A seat at this table buys them legitimacy within their state--gains in admissions from kids who see this as a "better school", gains in campus upgrades, but most importantly, gains in state appropriations. Take a school like UAB. Once a commuter school for kids in Birmingham, routinely shunned by the Alabama funding board so that money went to Tuscaloosa and Auburn. Now with 13,000 undergraduates, it's now an R1 university and has a $500M endowment. A new $175 million stadium opened this year. Same for South Alabama, even though it has never won more than six games in a season at this level. They have a new $78 million stadium, too. Meanwhile, public schools like North Alabama and West Alabama are largely unknown outside that state. Why? They play Division II. UAB football was cut in December 2014 and went on a two year hiatus before coming back. North Alabama is now Division 1 in the Atlantic Sun. |
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Post by hc87 on Dec 20, 2021 12:20:45 GMT -5
With the Championship Game being played on 1/8, I won't post the pick 'em, updates until after Christmas some time.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 20, 2021 12:45:32 GMT -5
It's about more than football. Every FBS upgrade in the last 30 years have been mid and second-tier state schools. A seat at this table buys them legitimacy within their state--gains in admissions from kids who see this as a "better school", gains in campus upgrades, but most importantly, gains in state appropriations. Take a school like UAB. Once a commuter school for kids in Birmingham, routinely shunned by the Alabama funding board so that money went to Tuscaloosa and Auburn. Now with 13,000 undergraduates, it's now an R1 university and has a $500M endowment. A new $175 million stadium opened this year. Same for South Alabama, even though it has never won more than six games in a season at this level. They have a new $78 million stadium, too. Meanwhile, public schools like North Alabama and West Alabama are largely unknown outside that state. Why? They play Division II. UAB football was cut in December 2014 and went on a two year hiatus before coming back. North Alabama is now Division 1 in the Atlantic Sun. Look at that--when you put your mind to it you can make a positive contribution to the board! On the other hand, the "pipe dream" comment was gratuitous. Try for more of the former and dispense with the latter. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 20, 2021 15:10:07 GMT -5
UAB football was cut in December 2014 and went on a two year hiatus before coming back. North Alabama is now Division 1 in the Atlantic Sun. Look at that--when you put your mind to it you can make a positive contribution to the board! On the other hand, the "pipe dream" comment was gratuitous. Try for more of the former and dispense with the latter. It is a pipe dream for 95 percent of FCS schools...the FCS championship has become North Dakota State vs some other program that plays in a 20k seat stadium (that sells out). I say the same thing about UNH ever making it back to that level. ;-) |
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 20, 2021 15:15:52 GMT -5
It's about more than football. Every FBS upgrade in the last 30 years have been mid and second-tier state schools. A seat at this table buys them legitimacy within their state--gains in admissions from kids who see this as a "better school", gains in campus upgrades, but most importantly, gains in state appropriations. Take a school like UAB. Once a commuter school for kids in Birmingham, routinely shunned by the Alabama funding board so that money went to Tuscaloosa and Auburn. Now with 13,000 undergraduates, it's now an R1 university and has a $500M endowment. A new $175 million stadium opened this year. Same for South Alabama, even though it has never won more than six games in a season at this level. They have a new $78 million stadium, too. Meanwhile, public schools like North Alabama and West Alabama are largely unknown outside that state. Why? They play Division II. UAB football was cut in December 2014 and went on a two year hiatus before coming back. North Alabama is now Division 1 in the Atlantic Sun. If West Alabama gets a new facility it should be named Malcolm Butler Field. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 20, 2021 16:27:54 GMT -5
UAB football was cut in December 2014 and went on a two year hiatus before coming back. North Alabama is now Division 1 in the Atlantic Sun. If West Alabama gets a new facility it should be named Malcolm Butler Field. The Fatu brothers might like a word with you about that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Usos |
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 20, 2021 16:45:13 GMT -5
If West Alabama gets a new facility it should be named Malcolm Butler Field. The Fatu brothers might like a word with you about that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_UsosGive the pro wrestlers a Tony award for their fine choreography and name the football stadium for Malcom? Sounds fair to me. |
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Post by HC92 on Dec 20, 2021 18:29:43 GMT -5
This is your periodic reminder that UNH football is 13-21 since the start of the 2018 season.
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