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Post by rgs318 on Nov 5, 2016 17:21:20 GMT -5
And by the way, with Wade being a Senior in 2018, in 2019 we will face Syracuse, Navy, NH, Yale, Harvard and Brown with a QB with NO experience as a lead QB. I'll bet that if CTG knew he would be our coach through 2019 he would have had a long talk with Mr. Pujals. And by the way, if there is a new head coach candidate assessing the HC job he will be aware of this lousy QB planning. Hopefully it will not deter him from taking the job. How exactly might a returning red-shirt all-league QB and a back-up who stepped in and showed he had real talent, be a deterrent to getting a good coach?
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Post by crusader1970 on Nov 5, 2016 17:32:35 GMT -5
= gilmore was outcoached at the end of the 1st half. with a little over a minute left, gu had 4th down and 1 around midfield. we had all 3 t/o's and gilmore let the clock wind down to 35 seconds and let gu punt. our offense had dominated the 1st half ! why not use a t/o there ? no way, gu was going for it. i say 'stupid'! the 1st half ends with us on their 22 yd line Gilmore may be a nice guy but is perhaps the worst clock manager I have ever seen. The example you cite has happened over and over during his years as coach. Very hard to understand. I do not think TG is a "stupid" man; but he is very poor at clock management and it is a key reason for his poor record as HC's head coach. I sincerely wish him the best. But it is SO TIME for a change in leadership.
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Post by bikeman on Nov 5, 2016 17:40:45 GMT -5
I've been negative in the past but enough is enough. A win on the road is tough at any level. Good win. Mr Sarasota. I assume you're 1500 miles away from campus. HC is trying real hard to improve athletics. You have to be here to see it up close. I'm confident. I do believe a change is needed at head coach however. The future is bright.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 5, 2016 18:36:27 GMT -5
= gilmore was outcoached at the end of the 1st half. with a little over a minute left, gu had 4th down and 1 around midfield. we had all 3 t/o's and gilmore let the clock wind down to 35 seconds and let gu punt. our offense had dominated the 1st half ! why not use a t/o there ? no way, gu was going for it. i say 'stupid'! the 1st half ends with us on their 22 yd line Gilmore may be a nice guy but is perhaps the worst clock manager I have ever seen. The example you cite has happened over and over during his years as coach. Very hard to understand. I do not think TG is a "stupid" man; but he is very poor at clock management and it is a key reason for his poor record as HC's head coach. I sincerely wish him the best. But it is SO TIME for a change in leadership. It is truly amazing how many times we have butchered the clock management at the end of the half or the end of the game over the last 13 years.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 5, 2016 19:24:01 GMT -5
GU definitely has 50-55 equivalences. tom gilmore once told me they use 'funny math' and put the aid in another column, not athletics. i believe him they have been pretty competitive in the league for a few years now (including winning 4 of the last 6 vs. hc, before today) You (or coach Gilmore) is confusing "counters" versus "equivalencies". A counter is a student who receives any student who receives "athletically related financial aid" defined, by the NCAA as "financial aid that is awarded on any basis that is related to athletics ability, participation or achievement" does Georgetown have 50 or 55 kids that get some athletic aid based on need? yes, but it may be as little as $1,000 per person. That's not an equivalency. An equivalency is the total amount of athletically related financial aid divided by the number of athletes--some might get a full ride, some might get less, but if tuition is $60,000 and HC awards $4.8 million in aid to 80 players because they play football, that's 60 "equivalencies" ($4,800,000/80 = 60). However, aid awarded to students without regard to athletic participation does not count in the calculation, which is why the Ivies aren't listed as having 85 or more equivalencies when everyone on that team is paying next to no tuition. If every kid at Davidson got free tuition, Davidson would still be at zero equivalencies because the gift is not dependent on playing a sport. If a freshman quits the football team at Holy Cross, he doesn't get a football scholarship for three more years, which is why it's called athletically related financial aid. If someone quits the team at Georgetown and qualifies for aid, he still gets it regardless if he plays football or not. Equivalency talk does not mitigate the fact that Georgetown has been a consistently poor program since they walked in the PL's door. Outside of 2011, it's never challenged for a conference title and has finished in the bottom two in 11 of the past 15 years. Some of that is self-inflicted, some of it is the arcane rules of the AI, and some is also due to the lack of an athletic budget to support more aid. If Georgetown makes its recruits take on debt to attend and other PL schools can offer a free ride, they'll pick the other school nine times out of ten...and do. Prior to joining the PL, Georgetown had never posted more than three consecutive losing seasons going back to 1881. Since 2000, 15 of the last 16 seasons have been under .500 and most haven't even been competitive.Something is wrong, and neither the school not the league seem to care enough to figure it out. I know for sure if HC had 15 losing seasons in football, something would get done.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 5, 2016 20:07:05 GMT -5
The soph WR who caught a TD pass today, his first career catch, is 6'3". Martin .Dorsey
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Post by hchoops on Nov 5, 2016 20:08:50 GMT -5
GU definitely has 50-55 equivalences. tom gilmore once told me they use 'funny math' and put the aid in another column, not athletics. i believe him they have been pretty competitive in the league for a few years now (including winning 4 of the last 6 vs. hc, before today) You (or coach Gilmore) is confusing "counters" versus "equivalencies". A counter is a student who receives any student who receives "athletically related financial aid" defined, by the NCAA as "financial aid that is awarded on any basis that is related to athletics ability, participation or achievement" does Georgetown have 50 or 55 kids that get some athletic aid based on need? yes, but it may be as little as $1,000 per person. That's not an equivalency. An equivalency is the total amount of athletically related financial aid divided by the number of athletes--some might get a full ride, some might get less, but if tuition is $60,000 and HC awards $4.8 million in aid to 80 players because they play football, that's 60 "equivalencies" ($5,100,000/80 = 60). However, aid awarded to students without regard to athletic participation does not count in the calculation, which is why the Ivies aren't listed as having 85 or more equivalencies when everyone on that team is paying next to no tuition. If every kid at Davidson got free tuition, Davidson would still be at zero equivalencies because the gift is not dependent on playing a sport. If a freshman quits the football team at Holy Cross, he doesn't get a football scholarship for three more years, which is why it's called athletically related financial aid. If someone quits the team at Georgetown and qualifies for aid, he still gets it regardless if he plays football or not. Equivalency talk does not mitigate the fact that Georgetown has been a consistently poor program since they walked in the PL's door. Outside of 2011, it's never challenged for a conference title and has finished in the bottom two in 11 of the past 15 years. Some of that is self-inflicted, some of it is the arcane rules of the AI, and some is also due to the lack of an athletic budget to support more aid. If Georgetown makes its recruits take on debt to attend and other PL schools can offer a free ride, they'll pick the other school nine times out of ten...and do. Prior to joining the PL, Georgetown had never posted more than three consecutive losing seasons going back to 1881. Since 2000, 15 of the last 16 seasons have been under .500 and most haven't even been competitive.Something is wrong, and neither the school not the league seem to care enough to figure it out. I know for sure if HC had 15 losing seasons in football, something would get done. Fact check time where is Phreek ?
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Post by sarasota on Nov 5, 2016 20:27:23 GMT -5
rgs- Please read my three relevant posts. You're only considering next season. I'm considering the subsequent two seasons and beyond, when the competition gets ratcheted up. Does that help you?
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 5, 2016 20:32:19 GMT -5
I would normally agree with that statement, 87, and have little doubt that if Pujals and Gabe Guild and many others were not injured and not playing, this would not have been a 1 point win. HC's "institutional advantages" does not mean that our 2nd, 3rd or 4th string players will be better than GU's 1st string players, athletic scholarships or not.
This has been a rough year with so many key injuries. But TG is the first one to tell you that injuries are no excuse and "next man up." I wish him the best and hope he stays but would also understand if Nate chooses to go in another direction. After just beating a weak GU today, I think that we not only have to beat Fordham next week, we need to beat them like a drum in order for TG to have a chance at staying on at Holy Cross.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 5, 2016 20:32:56 GMT -5
Pujals is bettah than Wade.....the real question is, who is coaching both of these guys in 2017 and 2018.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 5, 2016 21:09:00 GMT -5
The notion that we would somehow be better off if Pujals did not come back is just silly. As we have learned this year, there are no guarantees about how a roster is going to evolve from the first day of camp through the end of the season. I'll take my chances starting with a guy who is going to be first-team all-PL assuming he stays healthy and figure it out from there.
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Post by ncaam on Nov 5, 2016 21:16:34 GMT -5
Clock management has always been CTG's schilles heel. His mistake was trying to move the ball at all. Time to take a knee rather than try to score was the order of the day. One of out closing plays was a middle screen that the GU defender dmashed back in Wade's face. He might have scored with a luckier tip. On the last play of the half the hail mary to the GU 20 was farcical, no where near scoring, and Wade got planted into the ground. CTG played it the only way we could lose or get someone injured. Oh my!
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Post by timholycross on Nov 6, 2016 1:11:03 GMT -5
When we had good teams there was a lot of whining about Ciaccio taking over for Wiley. Had never played, what's going to happen, blah,blah.
As I recall, he stepped right in and did the job....which is what should happen in a strong program.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 6, 2016 7:40:20 GMT -5
rgs- Please read my three relevant posts. You're only considering next season. I'm considering the subsequent two seasons and beyond, when the competition gets ratcheted up. Does that help you? It does indeed, but not much since you only state what I already knew. I repeat that no coach would bench an all-star team leader to try to develop untested "talent" looking 2-3 years ahead. It is not an "either-or" situation as you seem to believe. In our case, Peter is a mature leader who can help any younger player to develop as much as any coach.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 6, 2016 9:49:38 GMT -5
You (or coach Gilmore) is confusing "counters" versus "equivalencies". A counter is a student who receives any student who receives "athletically related financial aid" defined, by the NCAA as "financial aid that is awarded on any basis that is related to athletics ability, participation or achievement" does Georgetown have 50 or 55 kids that get some athletic aid based on need? yes, but it may be as little as $1,000 per person. That's not an equivalency. An equivalency is the total amount of athletically related financial aid divided by the number of athletes--some might get a full ride, some might get less, but if tuition is $60,000 and HC awards $4.8 million in aid to 80 players because they play football, that's 60 "equivalencies" ($5,100,000/80 = 60). However, aid awarded to students without regard to athletic participation does not count in the calculation, which is why the Ivies aren't listed as having 85 or more equivalencies when everyone on that team is paying next to no tuition. If every kid at Davidson got free tuition, Davidson would still be at zero equivalencies because the gift is not dependent on playing a sport. If a freshman quits the football team at Holy Cross, he doesn't get a football scholarship for three more years, which is why it's called athletically related financial aid. If someone quits the team at Georgetown and qualifies for aid, he still gets it regardless if he plays football or not. Equivalency talk does not mitigate the fact that Georgetown has been a consistently poor program since they walked in the PL's door. Outside of 2011, it's never challenged for a conference title and has finished in the bottom two in 11 of the past 15 years. Some of that is self-inflicted, some of it is the arcane rules of the AI, and some is also due to the lack of an athletic budget to support more aid. If Georgetown makes its recruits take on debt to attend and other PL schools can offer a free ride, they'll pick the other school nine times out of ten...and do. Prior to joining the PL, Georgetown had never posted more than three consecutive losing seasons going back to 1881. Since 2000, 15 of the last 16 seasons have been under .500 and most haven't even been competitive.Something is wrong, and neither the school not the league seem to care enough to figure it out. I know for sure if HC had 15 losing seasons in football, something would get done. Fact check time where is Phreek ? Phreek is here. DFW Hoya's (glad he's found the board again) methodology is correct. However, if one assumes the financial aid offered to football players is similar to that offered to other undergraduates, and if one takes those values and applys them to the football team, one can create equivalencies. I can't readily find Georgetown's need-based aid average amounts, and percentages of students receiving. However, for BC, for the class of 2020, 60 percent of the class receives financial aid, average amount $39,000. If I took those BC values and applied them to a Georgetown roster of 90 players, that would represent about $2.2 million in financial aid to the football team. It would not be an unfair observation to believe that the need-based financial aid for recruited football players may be shaded to a more generous amount, and conversely, it would be most unlikely that football players would receive less aid than a student with identical financial circumstances who did not play football. Georgetown could not roster a credible football team if every player was full-pay, neither could any Ivy. .
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Post by rickii on Nov 7, 2016 12:47:47 GMT -5
Regarding Wade being the QB in 2018-2019, his Senior year, after Pujals handles 2017-2018, so you want us facing BC, Yale, Dartmouth, NH and Harvard with a QB who would not have played one full season as lead QB. Good luck. That's of course assuming Pujals is 100% healthy AND/OR doesn't get hurt again next year.
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