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Post by sader1970 on Dec 26, 2021 12:37:03 GMT -5
Nope. Notice the tier that says “light at the end of the tunnel?”
If we can’t win half our league games, we are still a poor team IMO.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 26, 2021 12:59:02 GMT -5
We could win anywhere from 0 to 6 PL games.
We'll win 0 if we make no changes to our offense or defense. if someone key gets injured, and if RJJ and Gerrale Gates continue to struggle .
We could win 6 games if several of the following happen: (1) Gates returns to shooting .450 to .500 instead of the current sub-optimal .405; (2) RJJ returns to the level at which he played as a freshman' (3) the "inexperience" excuse for our early season woes proves to be accurate and the team plays better; (4) coach tries something different on offense and/or defense; (5) we cut down significantly on the turnovers; (6) we can get more good looks for Judson Martindale. Logically, #5 and #6 could flow out of #4
Having set the floor and the ceiling, I'll go with 3 wins.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 26, 2021 13:05:54 GMT -5
Let me make the observation that Crossporters have been notoriously optimistic about Crusader athletics and if this is the consensus, then this does not bode well for the team or Coach Nelson’s future atop Mt. St. James.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 26, 2021 14:55:14 GMT -5
Few coaches have ever enjoyed lower expectations.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 26, 2021 15:08:40 GMT -5
. Ya think Brett is enjoying this? I will say that in most places, certainly the power conferences, if the consensus was that the coach couldn't be expected to win so few games, he might be fired immediately. However, outside of Sean Kearney, Holy Cross tends to have a slow trigger finger. I've made my case that Brett should get this entire season to prove himself. If this season turns into the debacle many expect (i.e. "lower expectations"), then comes March, it is my hope that Kit hands him his pink slip. If this team wins 4 or fewer games in the league, I will be beyond angry if they retain him. While some might think this is beyond the realm of possibility, IMO, he needs to win no fewer than 8 games to stay on another season. That's bare minimum. And it sure doesn't mean that he gets a contract extension!!!
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Post by efg72 on Dec 26, 2021 18:40:02 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 31, 2021 10:55:54 GMT -5
OK, poll locked and sorry if anyone thought I was going to do this at 11:59 PM.
The expectations for this team are spectacularly low:
18-22 wins: 1 vote (2.78%) [and the voter posted it was more in jest - I sure hope so!] 15-19 wins: 0 votes 10-14 wins: 0 votes [this surprised me a little as IMHO 10 wins would be pretty mediocre] 5-9 wins: 9 (25.00%) [thought this might be the most popular choice as we won 5 games in a very truncated season last go round. To win fewer games with a longer schedule is really a step backwards, especially considering that last season we were supposedly in the toughest module with few patsies] 4 or fewer wins: 26 (72.22%) [maybe others have a different interpretation but for me, this means we've taken a step back from either of the last two seasons. A damning comment on the coaching staff if this turns out to be accurate.]
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Post by jflare on Dec 31, 2021 11:11:55 GMT -5
Official Poll is closed but I am thinking 4 or fewer
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 31, 2021 12:43:59 GMT -5
OK, poll locked and sorry if anyone thought I was going to do this at 11:59 PM. The expectations for this team are spectacularly low: 18-22 wins: 1 vote (2.78%) [and the voter posted it was more in jest - I sure hope so!] 15-19 wins: 0 votes 10-14 wins: 0 votes [this surprised me a little as IMHO 10 wins would be pretty mediocre] 5-9 wins: 9 (25.00%) [thought this might be the most popular choice as we won 5 games in a very truncated season last go round. To win fewer games with a longer schedule is really a step backwards, especially considering that last season we were supposedly in the toughest module with few patsies] 4 or fewer wins: 26 (72.22%) [maybe others have a different interpretation but for me, this means we've taken a step back from either of the last two seasons. A damning comment on the coaching staff if this turns out to be accurate.] Compared to last year-- we lost our best player as well as a very solid center, and our point guard got injured and has not returned to last year's level of play.. So we have fallen from a terrible #304 last year to an inconceivable #348 this year per Ken Pomeroy's calculations.
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Post by Crosser on Dec 31, 2021 13:25:15 GMT -5
OK, poll locked and sorry if anyone thought I was going to do this at 11:59 PM. The expectations for this team are spectacularly low: 18-22 wins: 1 vote (2.78%) [and the voter posted it was more in jest - I sure hope so!] 15-19 wins: 0 votes 10-14 wins: 0 votes [this surprised me a little as IMHO 10 wins would be pretty mediocre] 5-9 wins: 9 (25.00%) [thought this might be the most popular choice as we won 5 games in a very truncated season last go round. To win fewer games with a longer schedule is really a step backwards, especially considering that last season we were supposedly in the toughest module with few patsies] 4 or fewer wins: 26 (72.22%) [maybe others have a different interpretation but for me, this means we've taken a step back from either of the last two seasons. A damning comment on the coaching staff if this turns out to be accurate.] Closing the poll more than 24 hours before the first game reminds me of the time in 1986 while at a work conference a bunch of us were at some local bar in Lee, Massachusetts watching the Sox in the World Series. We were all really into the game when the bartender announced “last call” a little before 10 PM. We all yelled “hey, it’s the World Series!” It was only in the 7th inning and he just said “we close at 10.”
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Post by hchoops on Dec 31, 2021 13:30:10 GMT -5
That did not happen in New York City
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 31, 2021 13:56:05 GMT -5
So, Crosser, is the moral of your story that I should have kept the poll open until 1:59 pm tomorrow, a minute before tip-off (assuming the game isn’t scrubbed at the last Covid minute)?
Since my early claims days, I was taught to live by the Lombardi clock: “on time” means 15 minutes early.
And everyone had weeks to cast their ballot.
P.S. This poll wasn’t even my idea. A classmate/poster put me up to it and I agreed having been the Class “javelin catcher” for a number of years. 😂
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Post by efg72 on Dec 31, 2021 16:15:27 GMT -5
While this isn't about the PL- it is interesting to note that W&M started 1-12 in OOC and is now 2-0 in conference with wins over Northeastern and Hofstra-- Maybe 2022 is the year of good fortune and miracles for Crusader hoops?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 31, 2021 16:17:27 GMT -5
While this isn't about the PL- it is interesting to note that W&M started 1-12 in OOC and is not 2-0 in conference with wins over Northeastern and Hofstra-- Maybe 2022 is the year of good fortune and miracles for Crusader hoops? I was just about to post about this. And both wins were a result of scoring 4 unanswered points in the final 15 seconds of the game. Like us, W&M had no DI wins OOC. Only win was over DIII Mary Baldwin. Anyway, BEAT NAVY!!! PL season is a new season.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 31, 2021 16:31:22 GMT -5
I vote (if allowed) for 5-8. Think 4 or 5 is what it will end up as (not saying that's good, just what it will end up as)...don't want to be lumped in with those who don't think we'll win any.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 31, 2021 18:45:46 GMT -5
Getting more posts since I locked the poll. Maybe I should have locked it 2 weeks ago!
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Post by Xmassader on Dec 31, 2021 19:34:20 GMT -5
On a different note, former HC assistant Dan Engelstad’s Mt.St. Mary’s team had to forfeit (rather than no contest) its first two NEC league games as a result of Covid absences/isolation. Needless to say, no one at the Mount is happy with the league’s decision.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 31, 2021 20:10:03 GMT -5
Other leagues have changed their policies from their original stringent ones. Perhaps their league will also
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 31, 2021 20:15:52 GMT -5
How bout we keep this ONE thread clean of virus talk?
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 26, 2022 16:26:21 GMT -5
Bump. 7 regular season wins looks like the 5-9 is a comfortable prediction as our guys are unlikely to win more than 2 in the PL tournament.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 26, 2022 17:04:02 GMT -5
Well with 9 regular season wins, I hit it on the head, but n ext year has to be better. The most frustrating thing is seeing the team get an open shot...and blow it. Then later, when trying to again dig out of a hole, they hit some of those same shots.
My takeaways: 1. Having Gates return is a huge plus! 2. We have talent here and the healthy return of RJJ will be a big part of potential success next season. 3. As. many have posted, we do need consistency but these same players can show that by next season. 4. We also need our two bigs, LC and AL to continue their development (physically and in their play). 5. Cut down (as in STOP) lazy passes that lead to turnovers, learn how to. beat a press and develop outside shooting against zones.
Sounds easy. HC could at least double their 9 regular season wins and move up from there by 2022-23.
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Post by lou on Feb 26, 2022 17:11:51 GMT -5
We won 7 games against division 1 competition
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 26, 2022 17:14:09 GMT -5
So what? HC won 9 regular season games. I personally don't think we should count losses where the opponents had any Presbyterians on the team. We play the teams on our schedule. You don't want to count wins, fine. But please don't inflict you snobbish attitude on others who do not agree.
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Post by efg72 on Feb 26, 2022 17:32:26 GMT -5
A win is a win but with those wins they should have won 8-10 PL games and 5 of 13 OOC games. OOC was designed to give wins and the PL is just not a good league, but especially weak this year
13-15 total wins was the minimum range for an acceptable season if we wanted to show progress.
No excuses, all teams have injuries and many teams are younger schedules and makeup games wouldn’t have been so bad, but they wasted so much energy over the course of the season by picking up full court and just follow our opponent-no effort to trap or create a turnover so I don’t accept the makeup schedule as a legitimate excuse-harder certainly
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Post by trimster on Feb 26, 2022 18:17:54 GMT -5
Well with 9 regular season wins, I hit it on the head, but n ext year has to be better. The most frustrating thing is seeing the team get an open shot...and blow it. Then later, when trying to again dig out of a hole, they hit some of those same shots. My takeaways: 1. Having Gates return is a huge plus! 2. We have talent here and the healthy return of RJJ will be a big part of potential success next season. 3. As. many have posted, we do need consistency but these same players can show that by next season. 4. We also need our two bigs, LC and AL to continue their development (physically and in their play). 5. Cut down (as in STOP) lazy passes that lead to turnovers, learn how to. beat a press and develop outside shooting against zones. Sounds easy. HC could at least double their 9 regular season wins and move up from there by 2022-23. I don't share your optimism. I wish I could but I don't. I think our talent is really overrated and guys who can't shoot straight after 1.5 years of D1 hoops probably aren't going to become consistent scorers down the road. The lazy passes in game 30 are maddening. You should get yanked immediately if you are still committing cardinal sins at this stage of the season. Maybe that will cure your propensity to make that type of pass. I think a .500 season next year is the ceiling for this group, maybe a few games over if RJJ returns to form.
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