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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 6, 2016 6:53:38 GMT -5
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 6, 2016 7:14:00 GMT -5
Question: do you think, if HC ever went big time in football/basketball, Crossports would turn into "that kind" of forum?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 6, 2016 8:53:28 GMT -5
Question: do you think, if HC ever went big time in football/basketball, Crossports would turn into "that kind" of forum? Not Crossports, because there would be another forum. A BC fan/alum has a lot more invested. Nobody outside New England gives a rodent's behind about BC hockey, so the alums/fans are left with the mis-fortunes of BC football and hoops when they engage around the water cooler with alums of other ACC schools, BE, the other Power Five. Its not good when you have a national brand, and the brand is terrible. I recall when the current BC football coach was hired, he stressed how much he would be recruiting locally, and in the Northeast, --the historical bailiwick of BC. This season reflects that. The recent BC teams that have had any success seemed to be always built around fifth year seniors. There seems to be much less of that.. |
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Post by timholycross on Nov 6, 2016 11:09:46 GMT -5
The part about Leahy leaving is total bullspit...even has a guy claiming Bill O'Brien will leave the Texans because his wife's sick ...true or not true...completely inappropriate. Have read that board a few times, it sucks royally. Try a few other BC ones.
Yes, they finally seem to be building an indoor facility (to replace the Alumni bubble setup) and a baseball field. Still not apparent whether they have all their $ ducks in order, however.
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Post by Jim on Nov 7, 2016 9:01:36 GMT -5
Question: do you think, if HC ever went big time in football/basketball, Crossports would turn into "that kind" of forum? Not Crossports, because there would be another forum. A BC fan/alum has a lot more invested. Nobody outside New England gives a rodent's behind about BC hockey, so the alums/fans are left with the mis-fortunes of BC football and hoops when they engage around the water cooler with alums of other ACC schools, BE, the other Power Five. Its not good when you have a national brand, and the brand is terrible. I recall when the current BC football coach was hired, he stressed how much he would be recruiting locally, and in the Northeast, --the historical bailiwick of BC. This season reflects that. The recent BC teams that have had any success seemed to be always built around fifth year seniors. There seems to be much less of that.. Being a Holy Cross alum, it's hard for me to judge this objectively, but, I think, even though the BC national brand athletically may be terrible, the national brand institutionally (for example, a 17 year old wanting to go to college there and the overall positioning and respect of the university) seems strong. |
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Post by sarasota on Nov 7, 2016 9:16:12 GMT -5
It's often said that Boston is the best college town in the US. BC will always benefit from that perception.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 7, 2016 11:13:09 GMT -5
As often as I disagree with Sarasota, I totally agree with him on this. "Worcester College," for example would not have the cache and the geographic association with Harvard and M.I.T. certainly helps.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 9, 2016 18:32:33 GMT -5
It's often said that Boston is the best college town in the US. BC will always benefit from that perception. Exactly -- plus the fact that it's a "National University" as opposed to a liberal arts college.
I believe, for the most part, that the "Flutie effect" is a myth when it comes to an athletic reputation dragging a school's academic reputation and competitiveness upward.
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Post by nhteamer on Nov 10, 2016 15:05:27 GMT -5
I believe that you are completely wrong.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 10, 2016 17:28:32 GMT -5
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Post by gks on Nov 11, 2016 10:38:08 GMT -5
BC and everyone else is kidding themselves if there was no Flutie Effect. The college is dramatically different now than before he was there.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 11, 2016 10:59:00 GMT -5
BC and everyone else is kidding themselves if there was no Flutie Effect. The college is dramatically different now than before he was there. Does that necessarily mean that Flutie was the cause for the changes??? |
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Post by sarasota on Nov 11, 2016 11:09:25 GMT -5
post hoc ergo propter hoc
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Post by hc87 on Nov 11, 2016 11:12:59 GMT -5
Like anything, probably a little (or a lot) of different factors as to why BC has grown in stature since Flutie's time there.
I don't think you can discount the athletic achievements that BC had during Flutie's era into the 21st C (football wins ovah ND/ bowl games, strong hoop teams in the Big East etc) in giving the school a much stronger national brand.
Simultaneously, the trend of youngah people wanting to go to school in the larger cities has helped BC to a great extent.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 12, 2016 14:04:28 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Nov 12, 2016 14:51:26 GMT -5
Incredibly, BC had 9 straight 3 and outs. They finally got a first down on a broken play qb scramble and that led eventually to a touchdown. More than half the yards they gained in the game were on their td drive. And with all that, the first sentence in the Globe game article mentions how they still have a shot at a bowl game.  |
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Post by bison137 on Nov 12, 2016 16:18:17 GMT -5
It's often said that Boston is the best college town in the US. BC will always benefit from that perception. Exactly -- plus the fact that it's a "National University" as opposed to a liberal arts college.
I believe, for the most part, that the "Flutie effect" is a myth when it comes to an athletic reputation dragging a school's academic reputation and competitiveness upward.
That is correct. Other Boston colleges - such as Boston U and Northeastern - saw more dramatic improvements than did BC in the decade after Flutie. It was a Boston effect, not a Flutie effect. |
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Post by timholycross on Nov 12, 2016 16:30:51 GMT -5
I guess after watching this abortion going on now I shouldn't comment further about another program!
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 12, 2016 18:52:59 GMT -5
I guess after watching this abortion going on now I shouldn't comment further about another program! 'zactly. |
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Post by sarasota on Nov 12, 2016 22:54:42 GMT -5
Maybe we better watch what we say about that lousy team because pretty soon they may beat the crap out of us.
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Post by joutsHC77 on Nov 13, 2016 6:57:58 GMT -5
Maybe we better watch what we say about that lousy team because pretty soon they may beat the crap out of us. I'd say it's pretty definitive that they're going to beat us like a drum based on yesterday's performance. |
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Post by zambonihomie13 on Nov 14, 2016 15:06:01 GMT -5
As often as I disagree with Sarasota, I totally agree with him on this. "Worcester College," for example would not have the cache and the geographic association with Harvard and M.I.T. certainly helps. +1. Being a national university helps, but a lot of this has to do with it's locale. Boston can compete with any city in America, especially for college students. Not sure Worcester, though a favorite of mine, can compete with many others in New England (Boston, Providence, Burlington, Portland, etc.) Not sure about a "Flutie affect" but being able to watch your teams (no matter how horrible) play Duke and UNC in basketball and Clemson and FSU in football every year helps. I've heard before that to those in New England/Northeast, Holy Cross's reputation outshines BC's, but that to the rest of the US, not so much. |
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Post by hchoops on Nov 14, 2016 15:14:17 GMT -5
As often as I disagree with Sarasota, I totally agree with him on this. "Worcester College," for example would not have the cache and the geographic association with Harvard and M.I.T. certainly helps. but being able to watch your teams (no matter how horrible) play Duke and UNC in basketball every year helps. Except that few go to any basketball games |
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Post by zambonihomie13 on Nov 14, 2016 17:30:56 GMT -5
but being able to watch your teams (no matter how horrible) play Duke and UNC in basketball every year helps. Except that few go to any basketball games Very true. Maybe less than that watch on TV too. But still, high school seniors in California, etc. are more likely to look at the basketball team's schedule than they are the attendance records. Then they arrive on campus... |
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