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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 4, 2022 21:23:04 GMT -5
For the Nelson honk who always loved to bash Carmody's winning percentage, and has unsurprisingly disappeared, Nelson's now sits at .161
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 4, 2022 21:24:54 GMT -5
Season-high (vs. peer opponents) seventeen assists for HC tonight.
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Post by trimster on Jan 4, 2022 21:28:59 GMT -5
Gates is getting double and triple teamed anytime he gets the ball down low- he needs to find the open man when that happens So true.
If RJ is out for an extended period of time, we are in deep trouble. Luc has talent and tries hard but is a 2G in an undersized body. He does not seem to have PG instincts.
As we all know, the two most important positions are Center and PG and we are very limited at each one.
Congrats to DaJion Humphrey. He had a terrific shooting night. By far his best performance in his short career.
And look at the bright side: we scored 70 points for the first time this season.
Next game is Lafayette at home on Friday night. I've watched them play twice. They are definitely beatable.....but only if we put two solid halves together.
Let's get that first win. I'm sure the players will breathe a sigh of relief when it finally comes.
It is shaping up as a dreadful season. Does it really matter if we win 2, 3 or 4 games. I guess it would if we end up with 2 wins because you know what that would mean.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 4, 2022 21:32:10 GMT -5
No, what would that mean?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 4, 2022 21:32:30 GMT -5
If RJ is out for an extended period of time, we are in deep trouble.
We've been in big trouble with him. He's been taking more shots than anybody other than Luc and Gates and is hitting 28%, with more turnovers than assists. I'm hoping this huge drop-off from last year is just injury-related.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 4, 2022 22:34:39 GMT -5
Are we jinxed with the health of our sophomore point guards? Years ago, Anthony Thompson had a fantastic freshman year , e.g. getting a 119.7 O-Rating from KenPom but then getting hurt and finishing with sub-optimal ratings of 89.1, 91.0, 89.8. He shot .414 on threes as a freshman and .279 the next three years. He spent freshman year on the free throw line, taking 149 FT's as a freshman then only 181 in the next three years combined. At least as measured by offensive stats, he never came anywhere near his freshman production after he got hurt.
Now we are seeing RJ Johnson struggling mightily as he plays hurt--KenPom has him falling off by as much as Ant did, although he did not start in the stratosphere as Ant did. Is playing hurt keeping him from healing, or is he just physically okay but just trying to regain his form?
Very frustrating ....
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 4, 2022 22:56:04 GMT -5
This was another winnable game as we had them reeling on at least two occasions when we came back twice and took the lead. But we could not maintain the momentum. Humphrey played an excellent game but we don't have consistent outside shooters and Gates really can't be expected to be successful attacking the basket 1 on 3.
Someone suggested pre-game to have both Gates and Louth in together and we saw that a lot tonight. And Rabs fought Dike whenever he was in there. There were some bright spots but we don't see enough of them to feel good about this team's success.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 4, 2022 23:03:39 GMT -5
When we cant win a game we all become expert coaches so I am not an expert and can’t coach but My opening lineup for Friday Dorsey Humphrey Lewis Louth Gates Play a mix of man, zone, and zone traps Speed it up offensively by attacking the rim Don’t give them easy looks at the 3 Play really tough support defense Sub to matchups not the clock Luc, Martindale and Montgomery off the bench I agree with your final point. Do you have some idea that those 5 match up w/what LC has?
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Post by timholycross on Jan 4, 2022 23:07:07 GMT -5
LC had runs of 12-2, 9-2 and 14-0. 37-4.
The rest of the game Holy Cross "won", 66-42.
The 14-0 run was particularly hideous. 5 turnovers I believe. Came when HC was ahead, 51-50. 2 Luc to's at the beginning of it seemed to ignite the Greyhounds.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 4, 2022 23:20:34 GMT -5
For the Nelson honk who always loved to bash Carmody's winning percentage, and has unsurprisingly disappeared, Nelson's now sits at .161 He has been very quiet hasn't he?
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 4, 2022 23:23:10 GMT -5
Are we jinxed with the health of our sophomore point guards? Years ago, Anthony Thompson had a fantastic freshman year , e.g. getting a 119.7 O-Rating from KenPom but then getting hurt and finishing with sub-optimal ratings of 89.1, 91.0, 89.8. He shot .414 on threes as a freshman and .279 the next three years. He spent freshman year on the free throw line, taking 149 FT's as a freshman then only 181 in the next three years combined. At least as measured by offensive stats, he never came anywhere near his freshman production after he got hurt. Now we are seeing RJ Johnson struggling mightily as he plays hurt--KenPom has him falling off by as much as Ant did, although he did not start in the stratosphere as Ant did. Is playing hurt keeping him from healing, or is he just physically okay but just trying to regain his form? Very frustrating .... The announcers mentioned knee injury tonight, which could be a nightmare scenario. We generally don't get that specific information.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 4, 2022 23:59:25 GMT -5
For the Nelson honk who always loved to bash Carmody's winning percentage, and has unsurprisingly disappeared, Nelson's now sits at .161 He has been very quiet hasn't he? Well he has repeatedly touted a stock whose price has fallen from, say, $50 a share to $7.00 a share over 2&1/2 years….
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 5, 2022 2:21:07 GMT -5
He has been very quiet hasn't he? Well he has repeatedly touted a stock whose price has fallen from, say, $50 a share to $7.00 a share over 2&1/2 years…. If we liked it at $50, we should love it at $7.00, so what's all the fuss?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 5, 2022 5:56:18 GMT -5
The rough patches during these games are really killing the team. Deficits seem to quadruple in a matter of seconds.
How many teams don't experience this, though? Not many. The good ones imho weather the storm through leadership - whether it's a player or 2 or 3 calming things down on the court, or someone patrolling the sidelines who does the same thing (I know, easy for me to say). I've thought RJJ could be that kid, but very difficult to do if you're not healthy enough to play (feel for the kid).
Was thinking about lineups before the game, and I wanted to see what EFG proposed...with the exception of my wanting RJJ in there in place of Lewis.
Colgate really missing not having their point guard; they are a different team without Nelly Cummings.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 5, 2022 8:21:44 GMT -5
Just speculation. Wouldn't be surprised if Johnson has to shut it down for the season; or at least 6-8 weeks.
What was this, the third game he's missed since he came back? At least the second. Whatever it is, he probably came back too soon and it hasn't healed.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 5, 2022 8:47:28 GMT -5
I mentioned that back around Thanksgiving?? Rose22 indicated he was good and ready to go, but I agree with you --
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Post by jkh67 on Jan 5, 2022 9:03:25 GMT -5
I think we lost because of those ugly uniforms our boys were sporting.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 5, 2022 9:44:21 GMT -5
"I'll take 'Alliteration: HC History' for $800, Alex."
"Innumerable injuries... gaudy garb... clumsy coaches... lackluster losses.."
"What is the basketball program's performance for the last thirteen years?"
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Post by hc17 on Jan 5, 2022 10:25:19 GMT -5
Welp! Things aren't improving. With each passing game, it becomes more and more difficult to recall the last time HC put together a complete 40 min performance. The defensive lapses that have plagued this group continue to happen every game. The emphasis on the full-court press from Day 1 of the Nelson era to now continues to boggle my mind. While it may shave a few seconds off the shot clock, I cannot recollect the defense causing too many turnovers or traps when employing the full-court press. While I do think the offense has perhaps taken a positive step forward, it's not good enough. While I have praised this staff on the recruiting trail in the past, I am concerned with the overall talent level. To me, Gates & RJJ have regressed this year. Hopefully, in RJ's case, it's a matter of health. Furthermore, I see a bunch of bit-part pieces on the remainder of the roster. I'm hoping that is just down to development and guys will take the leap as they become upperclassmen. If we start conference play 0-5, why wait to season's end to pull the trigger on Nelson? To prevent a second mass exodus in 3 years, I'd hand over the reigns to RJ Evans. In today's climate, you need to recruit 365 and that includes your own guys with the Transfer Portal. While I can't speak for anyone specifically on the team, how can current coaches, players, recruits and their families not acknowledge a change is more likely than not? The cloud grows and darkens over this program with each passing game. Kit must have Parker on speed dial...
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Post by alum on Jan 5, 2022 10:30:24 GMT -5
Welp! Things aren't improving. With each passing game, it becomes more and more difficult to recall the last time HC put together a complete 40 min performance. The defensive lapses that have plagued this group continue to happen every game. The emphasis on the full-court press from Day 1 of the Nelson era to now continues to boggle my mind. While it may shave a few seconds off the shot clock, I cannot recollect the defense causing too many turnovers or traps when employing the full-court press. While I do think the offense has perhaps taken a positive step forward, it's not good enough. While I have praised this staff on the recruiting trail in the past, I am concerned with the overall talent level. To me, Gates & RJJ have regressed this year. Hopefully, in RJ's case, it's a matter of health. Furthermore, I see a bunch of bit-part pieces on the remainder of the roster. I'm hoping that is just down to development and guys will take the leap as they become upperclassmen. If we start conference play 0-5, why wait to season's end to pull the trigger on Nelson? To prevent a second mass exodus in 3 years, I'd hand over the reigns to RJ Evans. In today's climate, you need to recruit 365 and that includes your own guys with the Transfer Portal. While I can't speak for anyone specifically on the team, how can current coaches, players, recruits and their families not acknowledge a change is more likely than not? The cloud grows and darkens over this program with each passing game. Kit must have Parker on speed dial... Are we certain that RJ is not part of the problem? I have no way of knowing, but I am not going to assume that he is blameless in this situation.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 5, 2022 10:38:00 GMT -5
Assistants can neither be credited for wins nor blamed for losses. They take orders from the head coach. Coaching is not democratic. Period.
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Post by hc17 on Jan 5, 2022 10:40:49 GMT -5
Welp! Things aren't improving. With each passing game, it becomes more and more difficult to recall the last time HC put together a complete 40 min performance. The defensive lapses that have plagued this group continue to happen every game. The emphasis on the full-court press from Day 1 of the Nelson era to now continues to boggle my mind. While it may shave a few seconds off the shot clock, I cannot recollect the defense causing too many turnovers or traps when employing the full-court press. While I do think the offense has perhaps taken a positive step forward, it's not good enough. While I have praised this staff on the recruiting trail in the past, I am concerned with the overall talent level. To me, Gates & RJJ have regressed this year. Hopefully, in RJ's case, it's a matter of health. Furthermore, I see a bunch of bit-part pieces on the remainder of the roster. I'm hoping that is just down to development and guys will take the leap as they become upperclassmen. If we start conference play 0-5, why wait to season's end to pull the trigger on Nelson? To prevent a second mass exodus in 3 years, I'd hand over the reigns to RJ Evans. In today's climate, you need to recruit 365 and that includes your own guys with the Transfer Portal. While I can't speak for anyone specifically on the team, how can current coaches, players, recruits and their families not acknowledge a change is more likely than not? The cloud grows and darkens over this program with each passing game. Kit must have Parker on speed dial... Are we certain that RJ is not part of the problem? I have no way of knowing, but I am not going to assume that he is blameless in this situation. I think it is fair to criticize the staff as a whole, but Nelson sets the agenda. To be clear, I don't think you'd hand the reigns over to RJ on a full-time basis although I'd expect that he'll be a candidate for the full-time job. If there is a change, I'd still like to see him on the next staff as a holdover assistant.
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Post by hc17 on Jan 5, 2022 10:42:51 GMT -5
Assistants can neither be credited for wins nor blamed for losses. They take orders from the head coach. Coaching is not democratic. Period. To echo this point, Joe Kennedy has largely been around the Princeton Offense for the majority of his coaching career. It's a complete 180 from where Nelson has us playing currently. I think if Joe were running the team on a full time basis, we'd look a lot more like Carmody's teams than Nelson's.
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Post by lou on Jan 5, 2022 10:46:20 GMT -5
Unless the entire coaching staff sits around a table to create Nelson's little list that he keeps in his pocket
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Post by lou on Jan 5, 2022 10:48:30 GMT -5
Assistants can neither be credited for wins nor blamed for losses. They take orders from the head coach. Coaching is not democratic. Period. To echo this point, Joe Kennedy has largely been around the Princeton Offense for the majority of his coaching career. It's a complete 180 from where Nelson has us playing currently. I think if Joe were running the team on a full time basis, we'd look a lot more like Carmody's teams than Nelson's. What I still can't grasp is that Nelson never uses any of the OOB plays that JoeK knows from the Carmody years. That was usually an automatic 2 points
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