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Post by Tom on Jan 8, 2022 9:51:15 GMT -5
No "love" involved. Actually I count them because they do count. I don't fixate on the division of the opponent...only the result of the game. The teams in a lower division do have the option of counting the game as an exhibition and, if they do, that is up to them. Some people like to talk about the overall record. Some like to talk about the D-I record. I don't think either one is wrong. Does a game count as a win if it isn't a loss for the other guy?  |
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jan 8, 2022 10:03:29 GMT -5
No "love" involved. Actually I count them because they do count. I don't fixate on the division of the opponent...only the result of the game. The teams in a lower division do have the option of counting the game as an exhibition and, if they do, that is up to them. Some people like to talk about the overall record. Some like to talk about the D-I record. I don't think either one is wrong. Does a game count as a win if it isn't a loss for the other guy?  If a game is on HC's schedule, and HC plays the game and scores more points than the other team, that's a win. IMO HC should rarely play D3 teams (one a year or less) but a win is a win. |
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 8, 2022 10:11:50 GMT -5
As happy as anyone else here for the win. There were some good things that happened yesterday.
That said, it's one win in a row. Lest we forget, here's the pre-season poll (yes, don't go to the bank on this being anything like the final results):
2021-22 Patriot League Men’s Basketball Preseason Poll
1. Boston University, 154 (11 first-place votes)
2. Colgate, 153 (9)
3. Navy, 114
4. Army West Point, 89
5. American, 79
T6. Bucknell, 73
T6. Lafayette, 73
8. Loyola Maryland, 65
9. Holy Cross, 53
10. Lehigh, 47
The point is, Lafayette was predicted to be in the middle of the pack. Next up is an even lower bottom feeder, Lehigh, who got destroyed last night by Army. If we can't get by them with a win, it's all back to the drawing boards.
Nice to finally get a D1 win against anyone but especially the senior coach of the league.
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Post by cmo on Jan 8, 2022 10:58:36 GMT -5
. Nice to finally get a D1 win against anyone but especially the senior coach of the league. This stood out. Wasn’t a great end to 1H for us. I was thinking Fran (and his experience) would coach circles around our guy in 2h. Happy to have been wrong. |
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Post by hchoops on Jan 8, 2022 11:28:11 GMT -5
All pre season polls are irrelevant, especially on January 8
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Post by crusader1970 on Jan 8, 2022 11:46:10 GMT -5
Just noticed that we had a 45 point second half.
Very impressive. And if we had hit our a few more of our late free throws, we might have broken 50 points.
Also....very pleased that Nelson stop using that ridiculous MTM full court press.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 8, 2022 11:46:35 GMT -5
No "love" involved. Actually I count them because they do count. I don't fixate on the division of the opponent...only the result of the game. The teams in a lower division do have the option of counting the game as an exhibition and, if they do, that is up to them. Some people like to talk about the overall record. Some like to talk about the D-I record. I don't think either one is wrong. Does a game count as a win if it isn't a loss for the other guy? 1. I understand that, but some also act as if the games never happened. 2. Yes, it does. 3. I also would like to see no games against D2 or D3 teams (Assumption excepted because of proximity). We do not know why those games were scheduled, but it mat simply have been to get two more home games.) |
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Post by dadominate on Jan 8, 2022 11:52:50 GMT -5
Some people like to talk about the overall record. Some like to talk about the D-I record. I don't think either one is wrong. Does a game count as a win if it isn't a loss for the other guy? 1. I understand that, but some also act as if the games never happened. 2. Yes, it does. we know you feel very strongly about this, but point 2 is debatable. not all of the respected d1 rating metrics include d3 wins as wins. so the answer is not a clear "yes". and is, as tom has noted, as much of a "no" as it is "yes". let's hope this is a moot point going forward as i think most of us would rather us not play any d3 games, let alone two in one season. |
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Post by mm67 on Jan 8, 2022 12:19:50 GMT -5
In the past HC has counted wins against lower division teams as wins. And, losses are losses.
Am not aware of any who did not count our losses against Williams, Nichols, etc. as losses. The results of these games are included in our NCAA record.
HC is the arbiter based on NCAA protocols. Peace.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 8, 2022 12:19:59 GMT -5
Does our record depend on outside rating systems - most of which use their own personal standards? I hope not. The won/loss record , IMO, should not be based on a vote by those systems. It depends on actual wins and losses. I also see this point being used by this who do not like HCBN and seem to use this to attack him.
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Post by dadominate on Jan 8, 2022 12:42:17 GMT -5
Does our record depend on outside rating systems - most of which use their own personal standards? I hope not. The won/loss record , IMO, should not be based on a vote by those systems. It depends on actual wins and losses. I also see this point being used by this who do not like HCBN and seem to use this to attack him. those who don't like hcbn can point to his overall record and dozens of other points before having to bring up the minor issue of d3 wins. i don't view this discussion as some kind of sinister plot against him. with the d3 wins nelson is 11-52 (21.2%). without the d3 wins nelson is 9-52 (17.3%). does it really matter? every poster is rooting for nelson (at least as far as i can tell) because it would be far easier for us to succeed with him than having to start over once again. of course, whether anyone roots for him, likes him personally, or thinks it's a good idea to pad the w/l total with d3 games does not change whether he can or can't successfully lead this program. the rest of this season will give us that answer. last night was a good start, since o'hanlon is an experienced coach and we clearly outplayed lafayette in the second half. |
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 8, 2022 12:45:24 GMT -5
I did not see anyone call this a "sinister plot." Did I miss that somewhere?  |
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Post by efg72 on Jan 8, 2022 12:58:46 GMT -5
DaDominate is correct, we all want Nelson to succeed. Whether he is the right coach for the future is a fair debate, but for this season, winning is what matters.
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Post by hceconhist on Jan 8, 2022 12:58:58 GMT -5
Does our record depend on outside rating systems - most of which use their own personal standards? I hope not. The won/loss record , IMO, should not be based on a vote by those systems. It depends on actual wins and losses. I also see this point being used by this who do not like HCBN and seem to use this to attack him. I don't think "attack" is the right word. It's more in line with assessing his performance based on the his job's objectives. The ultimate goal is to win a D1 conference championship and compete in a D1 national tournament. The extent to which wins against D3 teams advance towards that goal is, at best, limited. |
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 8, 2022 13:43:35 GMT -5
Fair criticism is not attacking. Almost every job is open to criticism - pro and con - and some come with public criticism as an inherent element.
Coaches at all levels, including and especially at the college level, is one of them.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 8, 2022 14:03:12 GMT -5
Fair enough...just fight fair.
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 8, 2022 14:26:42 GMT -5
He has also been struggling from downtown lately so hard to keep him out there if he’s not hitting his shots. I suspect that will correct itself. Hopefully soon. His first step offensively is fine, but defensively not so much, and his reaction to the opponent movement appears delayed leaving him very vulnerable and frequently playing from behind. Clearly it can be fixed but needs to be addressed now, and be a priority or he will remain a concern on defense. Judson gets caught out of position with his feet..He is often facing in the wrong direction to see the ball and his man..Yesterday thee was a rebound out his direction, he was turned almost 90° too much away from the direction the ball was coming from..He couldn't react to it, as it went by him. Luc has improved on D since the first few games, he does have brain freezes on occasion on D..HC needs both Jud and Luc to score with a little more frequency. 5 or 6 scoring threats will cause all kinds of problems for our opposition...It will also keep teams from doubling regularly Gates... |
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 8, 2022 14:54:55 GMT -5
Fair enough...just fight fair. Coach is .500 in the PL. I have no current criticism. |
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 8, 2022 15:05:58 GMT -5
I think he is .333 in the PL, having beaten Laffy but having lost to Navy and Loyola. 1-2.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 8, 2022 15:06:01 GMT -5
Batchelder should give us another credible scoring threat next year. And Austin Lewis if we can figure out how to use him.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 8, 2022 17:07:52 GMT -5
I think he is .333 in the PL, having beaten Laffy but having lost to Navy and Loyola. 1-2. Who let Loyola in the league? Now we have to beat nine teams to get to the dance instead of seven.🙂 Forgot about the second loss, thanks. |
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