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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 29, 2022 6:49:22 GMT -5
Thanks for the recap. Call me crazy but I honestly think this report shows improvement.
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Post by matunuck on Jun 29, 2022 7:04:05 GMT -5
True. Maintaining the higher yield would be a very healthy sign. I am very confident that our new president will strengthen our admissions profile.
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Post by higheredguy on Jun 29, 2022 10:01:27 GMT -5
We all complain about HC not updating admission stats for the last year. The questbridge site has them here: www.questbridge.org/college-partners/college-of-the-holy-crossOnce again, HC needs to completely overhaul their communication and web design department. I don't know if admissions never brought this information to web design, or if web design promptly ignored them. Holy Cross is one of only three Catholic schools on Questbridge, along with BC and Notre Dame, so there's some opportunity there to draw interest. Most of the US News Top 25 are aligned with Questbridge, with four exceptions: Cornell, Georgetown, Harvard and Johns Hopkins. that do not work with Questbridge for varying reasons, including 1) a Questbridge match is essentially a binding early decision program, and 2) a match offer returns a guaranteed four year scholarship. (Harvard and Georgetown do not offer early decision, so it runs afoul of their admission policies.) A Web presence and social media are absolutely essential for contemporary college admission. Gone are the admissions catalogs from years gone by. If a student does not find what they are looking for online, chances are good they'll move on and find it with some other school. Villanova has done a good job with its online admissions presentation. www1.villanova.edu/university/undergraduate-admission.htmlI totally agree with you here. I've been quite disappointed with the online presence of the college. Although, the social media presence is starting to grow which is nice. Still, there needs to be a rehaul of the entire website, along with constant updates to pages.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 29, 2022 11:49:28 GMT -5
For a website, staying current (daily) is essential. It appears there are only a few at HC that are aware of that point.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 29, 2022 16:05:30 GMT -5
My statistical summary of Phreek’s info above for those who do better with bullet points: Applicants 6500 vs 7100 Accepted 2785 vs 2500 Attending: 821 vs 925 Acceptance Rate: 42.8% vs 35.2% Yield: 29.5% vs 37% What's the bullet point explanation for this tremendous turn around? It's similar to HC finishing fourth or so in MBB next year with a head of steam heading into the PLT. Did financial aid offers take a leap forward, pushing the yield up? That would seem to be one logical factor.
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Post by Bleed Purple on Jun 29, 2022 18:32:12 GMT -5
If the yield continues to hold in the mid 30's we should be able to reduce the number of accepted students, allowing HC to lower it's acceptance rate which in turn makes HC more "exclusive" which should result in increased applications and driving a virtuous cycle.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 29, 2022 18:39:22 GMT -5
If the yield continues to hold in the mid 30's we should be able to reduce the number of accepted students, allowing HC to lower it's acceptance rate which in turn makes HC more "exclusive" which should result in increased applications and driving a virtuous cycle. I guess the admission folks are busy trying to figure out if this is a one-off or a new HC trend. Because they don’t want to get it that ‘wrong ‘ again … and, as you note, they’d like to lower the number of accepted students a bit for the benefits that brings in terms of stats. (There is some waitlist cushion if they get it a bit ‘wrong’ in the other direction.)
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 30, 2022 7:10:14 GMT -5
My statistical summary of Phreek’s info above for those who do better with bullet points: Applicants 6500 vs 7100 Accepted 2785 vs 2500 Attending: 821 vs 925 Acceptance Rate: 42.8% vs 35.2% Yield: 29.5% vs 37% What's the bullet point explanation for this tremendous turn around? It's similar to HC finishing fourth or so in MBB next year with a head of steam heading into the PLT. Did financial aid offers take a leap forward, pushing the yield up? That would seem to be one logical factor. * The disappearance of Ann. *. Geographical outreach *. Diversity outreach * More financial aid > Increased value of endowment > Williams match is $50+ million, 22 percent above goal What I don't yet understand is why the class is supposedly significantly more academically qualified than other recent classes; e.g., higher percentage of the class are in the top 10 percent of their high school class. HC has only described this in general terms. This may be the result of recruiting applicants from a bigger pond, so to speak. I recently talked to a classmate about HC admissions. He said he had a conversation with Ann several years ago (I have a suspicion of how that came about because of a non-HC position he held, but I didn't ask him the circumstances. He is not and never was in the education field.) He described her as "arrogant".
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Post by matunuck on Jun 30, 2022 7:39:22 GMT -5
Total apps this year are in-line with recent years. which have hovered a bit above 7K. Class of 2024 had 7,087 apps, for example. Last year's was a big miss. Real story is the yield and whether it holds moving forward, and our ability to reach more top students west of the Hudson river. June 30 and still no admissions update on our website. Ridiculous.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 30, 2022 8:02:09 GMT -5
In addition to Phreek's list there may be other factors to consider. I've asked before about this---perhaps the new, coming on line, performing arts center appealed to some new types of students. If the incoming class has more performing arts majors that previous classes that may provide support for that notion As well, other new facilities may have impressed applicants. In that regard, with Covid having moderated, perhaps we had more campus visits than we have had in recent years, so more students saw a more appealing campus?
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 30, 2022 8:33:40 GMT -5
I am leaning towards increased financial aid allowing HC to win battles against other schools that maintained stable financial aid levels as being the most likely suspect in both increased yield and increased quality of matriculating students.
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Post by HC92 on Jul 1, 2022 7:27:37 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see what the data is, if any, to support the increased quality claim. Anecdotally, I know of a few local kids here who considered HC a reach and were admitted. One of them chose Providence because of the relative strength of the men’s hoop programs.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 1, 2022 8:47:47 GMT -5
Should have asked that kid to compare Crusader football to Friar football. . . . or even Crusader baseball to Friar baseball.😉
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 1, 2022 9:14:36 GMT -5
And as a post script, if any kid goes to a school because he wants to be a spectator for a specific college sport (a non-player which makes sense) and discounts the academics, then Holy Cross isn't for him or her. As almost everyone knows, I live in RI and Providence is a very fine school. However, the difference academically is still pretty large. And Providence grads would be the first to acknowledge that fact.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 1, 2022 9:24:24 GMT -5
However the final numbers shake out, I’d guess we rebounded from last year’s Early Decision drop off. Lots of good (and cascading) outcomes when those numbers are up.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 1, 2022 10:42:29 GMT -5
Holy Cross apparently developed its own algorithm for assessing high school performance, and did so during Ann's tenure. Given that Ann was less than enthusiastic about standardized tests, I'm guessing that the factors given most weight are class rank (where submitted), unweighted GPA, and rigor of the courses taken. Some of this is captured by the Common data Set. Perceiving Ann as I do, the algorithm may also assign a weight to the high school's 'competitiveness', e.g., an applicant from Boston Latin is given a higher weight than an applicant from New Bedford high, even though both have identical GPAs.
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Post by Chu Chu on Jul 1, 2022 11:30:13 GMT -5
Holy Cross apparently developed its own algorithm for assessing high school performance, and did so during Ann's tenure. Given that Ann was less than enthusiastic about standardized tests, I'm guessing that the factors given most weight are class rank (where submitted), unweighted GPA, and rigor of the courses taken. Some of this is captured by the Common data Set. Perceiving Ann as I do, the algorithm may also assign a weight to the high school's 'competitiveness', e.g., an applicant from Boston Latin is given a higher weight than an applicant from New Bedford high, even though both have identical GPAs. I know that this was true when my own daughter applied and was accepted into the Class of 2004. I believe Ann called it a "Q Score".
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Post by timholycross on Jul 1, 2022 12:48:50 GMT -5
Holy Cross apparently developed its own algorithm for assessing high school performance, and did so during Ann's tenure. Given that Ann was less than enthusiastic about standardized tests, I'm guessing that the factors given most weight are class rank (where submitted), unweighted GPA, and rigor of the courses taken. Some of this is captured by the Common data Set. Perceiving Ann as I do, the algorithm may also assign a weight to the high school's 'competitiveness', e.g., an applicant from Boston Latin is given a higher weight than an applicant from New Bedford high, even though both have identical GPAs. I know that this was true when my own daughter applied and was accepted into the Class of 2004. I believe Ann called it a "Q Score". Would love to see where she got the scores for far away places. Easy to know something about Bellingham, MA; but not Bellingham, WA; for example. Especially when the population has shifted over time to the Sun Belt and West Coast.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 1, 2022 14:42:32 GMT -5
Maybe we can get this Friar-to-be as a football fan when it gets boring in Providence on fall Saturdays.
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Post by beachbound on Jul 1, 2022 16:38:43 GMT -5
PC is much more generous in grant money than HC. Now that college costs around $80k per annum, getting an extra $20+k grant per year makes a big difference for a family. So the kid might be saying hoops, but his parents might be saving $80-100k.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 1, 2022 16:50:43 GMT -5
PC is much more generous in grant money than HC. Now that college costs around $80k per annum, getting an extra $20+k grant per year makes a big difference for a family. So the kid might be saying hoops, but his parents might be saving $80-100k. Exactly.
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Post by hc87 on Jul 1, 2022 17:10:02 GMT -5
Holy Cross apparently developed its own algorithm for assessing high school performance, and did so during Ann's tenure. Given that Ann was less than enthusiastic about standardized tests, I'm guessing that the factors given most weight are class rank (where submitted), unweighted GPA, and rigor of the courses taken. Some of this is captured by the Common data Set. Perceiving Ann as I do, the algorithm may also assign a weight to the high school's 'competitiveness', e.g., an applicant from Boston Latin is given a higher weight than an applicant from New Bedford high, even though both have identical GPAs. Hey, why you hatin' on the Whalers? NBHS is a big public school but the top kids academically receive a very good education...know of many kids who have gone to Ivies as well as HC from there. But I do get your point in general.
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Post by HC92 on Jul 3, 2022 8:35:03 GMT -5
PC is much more generous in grant money than HC. Now that college costs around $80k per annum, getting an extra $20+k grant per year makes a big difference for a family. So the kid might be saying hoops, but his parents might be saving $80-100k. The Dad told me it was hoops and he was surprised. Wasn’t about money.
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Post by hc6774 on Jul 3, 2022 10:37:11 GMT -5
PC is much more generous in grant money than HC. Now that college costs around $80k per annum, getting an extra $20+k grant per year makes a big difference for a family. So the kid might be saying hoops, but his parents might be saving $80-100k. Exactly. Beginning with the Class of ‘24 HC offered 2 new scholarships classifications for students with records of high achievement. One requires the demonstration of financial need; the other does not. It will be interesting to see the impact on the Hope & Access effort for financial aid endowment. $50M committed over the next 5 years to 78 new donor established funds; I wonder how many do not require a demonstration of financial need.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 3, 2022 10:59:31 GMT -5
PC is much more generous in grant money than HC. Now that college costs around $80k per annum, getting an extra $20+k grant per year makes a big difference for a family. So the kid might be saying hoops, but his parents might be saving $80-100k. Yes, Holy Cross focuses more on need-based aid. Which is why we are able to be need-blind and provide opportunities to many who would otherwise not be able to afford to attend.
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