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Post by DFW HOYA on May 13, 2022 9:10:16 GMT -5
A growing share of the Ivy numbers are coming from Common Application numbers, which deflates their admit rates but which inflates applications, which serve the admissions department well when presenting "growth" up the chain of command. Georgetown and MIT are the two most visible schools to avoid the Common App altogether, and it doesn't hurt their numbers.
Villanova continues to ascend. On the other hand, it's interesting how George Washington's numbers have fallen. It's now accepting at 49 percent compared to 14% at BU and 12% at NYU.
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Post by alum on May 13, 2022 9:15:07 GMT -5
A growing share of the Ivy numbers are coming from Common Application numbers, which deflates their admit rates but which inflates applications, which serve the admissions department well when presenting "growth" up the chain of command. Georgetown and MIT are the two most visible schools to avoid the Common App altogether, and it doesn't hurt their numbers. Interesting how George Washington's numbers have fallen. It's now accepting at 49 percent compared to 14% at BU and 12% at NYU. Which is interesting because as much as I like Boston, and to a lesser extent NYC, DC is a sensational city for young adults.
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Post by hcpride on May 13, 2022 9:31:29 GMT -5
… On the other hand, it's interesting how George Washington's numbers have fallen. It's now accepting at 49 percent compared to 14% at BU and 12% at NYU. GW’s been at 40% + for the last ten years or so (perhaps with an exceptional year). The very latest general trends seem to show the most selective schools getting even more selective with many of those in GW’s selectivity category slipping a bit in that regard. (FWIW, HC was about 43% last year).
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Post by longsuffering on May 13, 2022 14:00:26 GMT -5
After WW II, BU was (affectionately) known as a diploma mill as it ramped up to meet the needs of veterans with GI Bill funding. I don't think it turned too many away as that wouldn't have been very Patriotic.
Impressions you get listening at a formative age to older relatives talk are hard to shake. To now see BU's selectivity flipped with HC's, especially with HC accepting many fewer applicants is astounding to me.
Nonetheless, congratulations to BU.
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Post by hcpride on May 13, 2022 16:08:22 GMT -5
/\ It is funny how things change. I spend a lot of time explaining to parents that just because a houseplant (it was said) could get into Stony Brook 30 years ago when you were applying to college does not mean your bright son or daughter will get in in 2022. At all. And I know it is very difficult for HC folks to realize that certain schools we saw as a safety school the last century now correctly see us as their safety school.
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Post by sader1970 on May 13, 2022 16:33:11 GMT -5
A little harsh on Stonybrook, not to mention Holy Cross.
Believe that SB was considered one of the best SUNYs from the get-go and it was between them and Binghamton as best public universities in the state and not an easy admission.
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Post by hcpride on May 13, 2022 16:56:16 GMT -5
A little harsh on Stonybrook, not to mention Holy Cross. Believe that SB was considered one of the best SUNYs from the get-go and it was between them and Binghamton as best public universities in the state and not an easy admission. Well, Albany, Buffalo and Bing were the big 3 for the academic kids back in my day. SBU, not so much. We're talking late 70's - early 80's here. Heck, back then Geneseo wasn't popular. Things have changed. My Masters is from SBU and I appreciate its trajectory. (It is true SBU was the home of the med school and emphasized science and math.) To make a long story short the strong academic kids from Queens and the rest of NYC (and there are tons of them) discovered it (and its low cost) about 15 years ago and that's all she wrote. When the parents realize it is now 29% white they realize something big changed at the school when they were not paying attention. I clue them in to the city influx. The latest Stem schollie (thanks to a 56M check from a donor last week) will continue that trend (very impressive by any measure and will only continue the positive academic trajectory): news.stonybrook.edu/university/simons-foundation-partners-with-stony-brook-university-to-improve-diversity-in-stem-fields/
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Post by sader1970 on May 13, 2022 17:06:37 GMT -5
I go further back than you and your 30 years. Maybe it was geographic pride but the only reason local smart Long Islanders didn't go to SB and went "upstate" was because they wanted to get away from home. The reputation at SB was solid. Of course, this was in the days prior to USN&WR and all kinds of public stats on admissions/yield/etc. But 30 years ago, I was back on LI and really didn't care about SB or other SUNYs as we were heading to Ohio and my kids were going to come back east to college - specifically Georgetown or Holy Cross and turned out HC and Fairfield. As I've posted before, my Columbus area friends/neighbors/co-workers were aghast my sons weren't even considering THE Ohio State University. That included their school counselors. My response was that I wanted my kids to get an education.
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Post by hcpride on May 13, 2022 17:20:20 GMT -5
I go further back than you and your 30 years. Maybe it was geographic pride but the only reason local smart Long Islanders didn't go to SB and went "upstate" was because they wanted to get away from home. The reputation at SB was solid. Of course, this was in the days prior to USN&WR and all kinds of public stats on admissions/yield/etc. But 30 years ago, I was back on LI and really didn't care about SB or other SUNYs as we were heading to Ohio and my kids were going to come back east to college - specifically Georgetown or Holy Cross and turned out HC and Fairfield. As I've posted before, my Columbus area friends/neighbors/co-workers were aghast my sons weren't even considering THE Ohio State University. That included their school counselors. My response was that I wanted my kids to get an education. LOL. I wish. I think the late 70's- early 80's are more like 40+ years. I tell the parents, things change.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 13, 2022 17:58:46 GMT -5
A little birdie whispered in my ear that the yield rate for 2026 is between 35 and 40 percent.
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Post by matunuck on May 13, 2022 22:19:14 GMT -5
A little birdie whispered in my ear that the yield rate for 2026 is between 35 and 40 percent. That would be a good sign moving forward if we can maintain and increase that number. Yield is important for many reasons.
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Post by hcpride on May 14, 2022 3:14:30 GMT -5
A little birdie whispered in my ear that the yield rate for 2026 is between 35 and 40 percent. Yield rate? Any word from the little birdie on acceptance rate?
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Post by alum on May 14, 2022 5:08:17 GMT -5
A little birdie whispered in my ear that the yield rate for 2026 is between 35 and 40 percent. Yield rate? Any word from the little birdie on acceptance rate? I wonder if yield rate is a leading indicator to future application numbers and acceptance rate? Here’s hoping.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 14, 2022 7:15:16 GMT -5
A little birdie whispered in my ear that the yield rate for 2026 is between 35 and 40 percent. Yield rate? Any word from the little birdie on acceptance rate? The little birdie chirped that the number of apps rose to 7,000, or a bit over. The acceptance rate was around 35 percent. As the little birdie fluttered away, the chirp was less distinct, but I believe the birdie chirped that the yield rate was a bit higher than the acceptance rate. The birdie flew away on a vector that headed southwest of Worcester, which may be significant. The little birdie seemed quite cheerful, perhaps because the slide during the last year or two of the rule of Anna Regina was over.
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Post by alum on May 14, 2022 8:35:32 GMT -5
I go further back than you and your 30 years. Maybe it was geographic pride but the only reason local smart Long Islanders didn't go to SB and went "upstate" was because they wanted to get away from home. The reputation at SB was solid. Of course, this was in the days prior to USN&WR and all kinds of public stats on admissions/yield/etc. But 30 years ago, I was back on LI and really didn't care about SB or other SUNYs as we were heading to Ohio and my kids were going to come back east to college - specifically Georgetown or Holy Cross and turned out HC and Fairfield. As I've posted before, my Columbus area friends/neighbors/co-workers were aghast my sons weren't even considering THE Ohio State University. That included their school counselors. My response was that I wanted my kids to get an education. My wife raised money throughout Big10 country for a New England LAC. There were many families which continued to subscribe to the idea that it was natural to go “back East” to college but often one of the kids insisted on attending State U.
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Post by mm67 on May 14, 2022 9:21:52 GMT -5
After WW II, BU was (affectionately) known as a diploma mill as it ramped up to meet the needs of veterans with GI Bill funding. I don't think it turned too many away as that wouldn't have been very Patriotic. Impressions you get listening at a formative age to older relatives talk are hard to shake. To now see BU's selectivity flipped with HC's, especially with HC accepting many fewer applicants is astounding to me. Nonetheless, congratulations to BU. The same could be said about the undergraduate school at NYU. Years ago, it was known as a factory, a diploma mill. These schools have utilized their competitive advantages in many areas. And taken steps to strengthen their academic standing. For instance NYU dropped major sports, closed their legendary Bronx campus and focused on their popular Green Village campus, growing their academic offerings and expanding their international presence, all financed by a huge influx of money raised largely from graduates of their famous Stern School of Business. Both schools are prime examples of the effectiveness of a savvy marketing push by a " woke"administration. I suspect the prestige of the graduate schools - Med., Law, Business etc - might have spillover effect on the prestige of the undergraduate. It's all part of the game.
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Post by newfieguy74 on May 14, 2022 10:12:08 GMT -5
I go further back than you and your 30 years. Maybe it was geographic pride but the only reason local smart Long Islanders didn't go to SB and went "upstate" was because they wanted to get away from home. The reputation at SB was solid. Of course, this was in the days prior to USN&WR and all kinds of public stats on admissions/yield/etc. But 30 years ago, I was back on LI and really didn't care about SB or other SUNYs as we were heading to Ohio and my kids were going to come back east to college - specifically Georgetown or Holy Cross and turned out HC and Fairfield. As I've posted before, my Columbus area friends/neighbors/co-workers were aghast my sons weren't even considering THE Ohio State University. That included their school counselors. My response was that I wanted my kids to get an education. My wife raised money throughout Big10 country for a New England LAC. There were many families which continued to subscribe to the idea that it was natural to go “back East” to college but often one of the kids insisted on attending State U. Of course, the Midwest has many outstanding small-ish liberal arts colleges: Carleton, Macalester, Grinnell, Oberlin Kenyon, College of Wooster, etc.
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Post by longsuffering on May 14, 2022 10:28:18 GMT -5
After WW II, BU was (affectionately) known as a diploma mill as it ramped up to meet the needs of veterans with GI Bill funding. I don't think it turned too many away as that wouldn't have been very Patriotic. Impressions you get listening at a formative age to older relatives talk are hard to shake. To now see BU's selectivity flipped with HC's, especially with HC accepting many fewer applicants is astounding to me. Nonetheless, congratulations to BU. The same could be said about the undergraduate school at NYU. Years ago, it was known as a factory, a diploma mill. These schools have utilized their competitive advantages in many areas. And taken steps to strengthen its academic standing. For instance NYU dropped major sports, closed their legendary Bronx campus and focused on their popular Green Village campus, growing their academic offerings and expanding their international presence, all financed by a huge influx of money raised largely from graduates of their famous Stern School of Business. Both schools are prime examples of the effectiveness of a savvy marketing push by a " woke"administration. I suspect the prestige of the graduate schools - Med., Law, Business etc - might have spillover effect on the prestige of the undergraduate. It's all part of the game. They have a good film program, too.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 14, 2022 10:48:36 GMT -5
We are in a very interesting and unusual position, hearing suggestions that there may be some encouraging news about HC admissions/standing in the world
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Post by longsuffering on May 14, 2022 11:08:15 GMT -5
We are in a very interesting and unusual position, hearing suggestions that there may be some encouraging news about HC admissions/standing in the world And HC baseball is in the PL playoffs.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 14, 2022 11:32:49 GMT -5
We are in a very interesting and unusual position, hearing suggestions that there may be some encouraging news about HC admissions/standing in the world Academic year 2022-23 is the first year that the college will see the financial aid impact of the Agnes Williams matching bequest. and the bump in the endowment's value (assuming they are not presently invested heavily in crypto and Tesla). The financial aid packages offered may have become more generous, and the ramp up in scollie $ in the Olympic sports may have continued. (<<< This was a question for Kit that I submitted in advance that was not asked because the webinar's time expired. Its a good thing that the PC co-chairs aren't football coaches because they would surely dithered away the clock while trying to set up a game-winning field goal attempt.) Kit did say in the webinar that he has good conversations with Cornell LeSane about enrollment. FWIW.
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Post by longsuffering on May 14, 2022 11:59:35 GMT -5
Cornell Lesane lands at HC following a stint at Alleghany College the same as Alleghany Athletic Hall of Fame member Peter Vaas.
Like Peter he inherits a challenge but with a much greater chance of improving on recent results. He doesn't have to follow 60-5-1.
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Post by timholycross on May 14, 2022 14:02:20 GMT -5
Wonder if the overall aid climate at HC is such that Vaas having to operate under a need-based system would have had more of a chance of success in 2022 than he had in 1992? Not that I have any desire (and in fact dread) the College making that kind of decision. AGAIN.
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Post by longsuffering on May 14, 2022 16:19:38 GMT -5
Wonder if the overall aid climate at HC is such that Vaas having to operate under a need-based system would have had more of a chance of success in 2022 than he had in 1992? Not that I have any desire (and in fact dread) the College making that kind of decision. AGAIN. Or if a healthy Vaas followed a heroic but unfortunately ill Dan Allen, instead of the other way around, how his results might have compared to TG's. Peter was 23-11 at Alleghany. His first game was a close loss to UMass,as I recall and I remember thinking if HC could get over that hump they could continue the winning tradition, but they couldn't.
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Post by mm67 on May 14, 2022 16:55:22 GMT -5
The same could be said about the undergraduate school at NYU. Years ago, it was known as a factory, a diploma mill. These schools have utilized their competitive advantages in many areas. And taken steps to strengthen its academic standing. For instance NYU dropped major sports, closed their legendary Bronx campus and focused on their popular Green Village campus, growing their academic offerings and expanding their international presence, all financed by a huge influx of money raised largely from graduates of their famous Stern School of Business. Both schools are prime examples of the effectiveness of a savvy marketing push by a " woke"administration. I suspect the prestige of the graduate schools - Med., Law, Business etc - might have spillover effect on the prestige of the undergraduate. It's all part of the game. They have a good film program, too. Yup! Actually, my nephew graduated from the NYU Film School. Spent his Junior year abroad in China. He has had a career as a director and has been directing in-house corporate film videos. Last I heard he was doing quite well.
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