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Post by hcpride on May 14, 2022 18:16:05 GMT -5
Yield rate? Any word from the little birdie on acceptance rate? The little birdie chirped that the number of apps rose to 7,000, or a bit over. The acceptance rate was around 35 percent. As the little birdie fluttered away, the chirp was less distinct, but I believe the birdie chirped that the yield rate was a bit higher than the acceptance rate. The birdie flew away on a vector that headed southwest of Worcester, which may be significant. The little birdie seemed quite cheerful, perhaps because the slide during the last year or two of the rule of Anna Regina was over. Some schools publish their admission numbers publicly and rather quickly (and even more so if it is a positive development). HC, not so much. In our case, the bird is the word?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 14, 2022 19:15:07 GMT -5
The little birdie chirped that the number of apps rose to 7,000, or a bit over. The acceptance rate was around 35 percent. As the little birdie fluttered away, the chirp was less distinct, but I believe the birdie chirped that the yield rate was a bit higher than the acceptance rate. The birdie flew away on a vector that headed southwest of Worcester, which may be significant. The little birdie seemed quite cheerful, perhaps because the slide during the last year or two of the rule of Anna Regina was over. Some schools publish their admission numbers publicly and rather quickly (and even more so if it is a positive development). HC, not so much. In our case, the bird is the word? A bird is not the word, though I think there will be definitive numbers published soon. if the class is truly large, maybe the largest in history, the college has some scrambling to do.
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Post by hcpride on May 15, 2022 4:07:00 GMT -5
Some schools publish their admission numbers publicly and rather quickly (and even more so if it is a positive development). HC, not so much. In our case, the bird is the word? A bird is not the word, though I think there will be definitive numbers published soon. if the class is truly large, maybe the largest in history, the college has some scrambling to do. If we did significantly underestimate yield that can present a logistical challenge (overestimate and you hit the waitlist…not nece$$arily a bad thing…and it’s a one-for-one exchange quite helpful to some stats…provided you’ve got a large enough waitlist…).
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 15, 2022 7:09:33 GMT -5
Ann, in her own words, and how her long-relied-upon template for admissions to Holy Cross crashed and burned with the class of 2024, Excerpts from an interview in March 2019, a date which would have related to the class of 2023. Bolding mine news.holycross.edu/blog/2019/03/04/how-does-holy-cross-build-its-incoming-class/This describes an admissions process in which the students find Holy Cross, rather than Holy Cross finding the students. A process that relies on little outreach, focusing on a universe of 800 high schools. The class of 2024 was a COVID-class, and Ann's admissions template for this class would never work given the restrictions and limitations that were imposed., --and it didn't. Class of 2024:Enrolling class numbered 736. acceptance rate of 37.9%; 27.3% yield rate.. 20 from the wait list. 56 percent were from Massachusetts 76.6 percent were white Comparing the classes of 2023 and 2024:Black 44 / 22 (Wonder how many of the 22 were recruited athletes). Hispanic 119 / 74 Asian 43 / 22 Foreign 33 / 21
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Post by longsuffering on May 15, 2022 11:28:15 GMT -5
A bird is not the word, though I think there will be definitive numbers published soon. if the class is truly large, maybe the largest in history, the college has some scrambling to do. If we did significantly underestimate yield that can present a logistical challenge (overestimate and you hit the waitlist…not nece$$arily a bad thing…and it’s a one-for-one exchange quite helpful to some stats…provided you’ve got a large enough waitlist…). What if you are on the wait list, but poorer than a Church Mouse? Does HC advise you to research bus routes to your nearest community college?
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Post by hcpride on May 15, 2022 12:25:18 GMT -5
If we did significantly underestimate yield that can present a logistical challenge (overestimate and you hit the waitlist…not nece$$arily a bad thing…and it’s a one-for-one exchange quite helpful to some stats…provided you’ve got a large enough waitlist…). What if you are on the wait list, but poorer than a Church Mouse? Does HC advise you to research bus routes to your nearest community college? Nope. But it is widely known that financial considerations are in play for folks coming off the waitlist. Beyond that, like ED, it is a one-for-one exchange (and admissions folks love the math involved with those sorts of things).
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 15, 2022 12:46:50 GMT -5
If we did significantly underestimate yield that can present a logistical challenge (overestimate and you hit the waitlist…not nece$$arily a bad thing…and it’s a one-for-one exchange quite helpful to some stats…provided you’ve got a large enough waitlist…). What if you are on the wait list, but poorer than a Church Mouse? Does HC advise you to research bus routes to your nearest community college? HC could still pick a few students off the wait list. For example, if the band leader said I need a tuba player, and the tuba player who was accepted enrolled elsewhere. Admissions might search for a replacement tuba player from the wait list, and if found, offer them admission.
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Post by longsuffering on May 15, 2022 13:25:35 GMT -5
I am just envisioning the awkwardness of accepting a student off the wait list you know can't afford to pay the family contribution required by the financial aid offer you are making.
But I guess you never know when the rich uncle materializes or the unrevealed crypto wallet opens and the student enrolls.
HC is justified in using it's financial aid budget to try to nudge the college up the rankings by directing more aid to stronger applicants and at the margins accepting wealthier applicants off the wait list, but it is an awkward dance at a Jesuit college.
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Post by rgs318 on May 15, 2022 15:09:51 GMT -5
In North Jersey the numbers going to community colleges (Bergen Community College and Rockland Community College) are growing steadily. It is like getting two practically free years, an associates degree and starting to pay high tuition only as a junior. Nothing wrong with that.
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Post by purplehaze on May 15, 2022 15:28:48 GMT -5
A classmate of mine has a daughter who went that route to HC - I think we sometimes think HC would not look at incoming juniors from Jr. College but they do (to their credit)
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 15, 2022 16:31:28 GMT -5
A classmate of mine has a daughter who went that route to HC - I think we sometimes think HC would not look at incoming juniors from Jr. College but they do (to their credit) My nextdoor neighbor in Healy sophomore year was a juco transfer from Florida. One year at CC, 3 at HC. I think he was close to a 4.0 student at both. He ended up graduating Harvard Law summa cum laude.
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Post by matunuck on May 17, 2022 9:07:47 GMT -5
The little birdie chirped that the number of apps rose to 7,000, or a bit over. The acceptance rate was around 35 percent. As the little birdie fluttered away, the chirp was less distinct, but I believe the birdie chirped that the yield rate was a bit higher than the acceptance rate. The birdie flew away on a vector that headed southwest of Worcester, which may be significant. The little birdie seemed quite cheerful, perhaps because the slide during the last year or two of the rule of Anna Regina was over. Some schools publish their admission numbers publicly and rather quickly (and even more so if it is a positive development). HC, not so much. In our case, the bird is the word? Our admissions webpage still has up stats from two years ago -- class of 2024. Ridiculous. www.holycross.edu/admissions-aid/what-we-look-for/enrollment-facts-and-figures
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Post by HC92 on May 19, 2022 12:32:17 GMT -5
FWIW, the top 5 students in our local Catholic high school are going to MIT, Villanova, RPI, BU and Colgate. If we can’t get the top students from the Catholic schools in the northeast, are we going to get any high school’s top students? Hopefully President Rougeau has a plan.
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Post by longsuffering on May 19, 2022 13:04:10 GMT -5
A solid Catholic who didn't attend Catholic Schools might have more of an attraction to and could broaden his or her experiences more by attending a Catholic College than a Catholic school alum.
Also, Colgate might offer more aid than HC to the same New England kid during Holy Cross' drive to geographically and demographically diversify it's admissions. HC doesn't have too many levers to pull but this might be one of them.
Perhaps parents could push back on the HC Financial Aid Office if they have evidence (other financial aid offers) of this.
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Post by mm67 on May 19, 2022 13:49:32 GMT -5
Evidently, ties to the Catholic Church have weakened. The immigrants clung together under the umbrella of the Church. Neighborhoods were defined by parishes. In my youth the children and grandchildren of Catholic immigrants were told it was sinful not to send their kids to Catholic school. At that time Catholic schools regularly would not send recommendations and even transcripts to non-Catholic colleges. The cream went to places like HC, G-Town & ND. It has changed. Catholics have more thoroughly assimilated into the American mainstream. Americans refuse to be ordered around by any institution as were their ancestors The Catholic umbrella is no more. Catholic schools have closed. Of necessity transcripts and recommendations are sent out to all. There are fewer Catholic school boys/girls choosing Catholic colleges. "What doth it profit..." doesn't fly anymore. HC is now forced to compete with other secular as well as Catholic colleges on the basis of its academic offerings and not its religious profile. Personally, I believe the change is very healthy. Colleges should be educational institutions and not seminaries (Sarasota?) or vehicles for proselytization. However, it places HC, a college with an extremely religious name and a tradition of strict immigrant based Catholicism in a precarious position. It will be interesting to see how HC responds, no doubt successfully.
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Post by sader1970 on May 19, 2022 14:24:43 GMT -5
Perhaps a good start was a non-Jesuit priest for president who happens to be a practicing Catholic with a diverse background?
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Post by HC13 on May 19, 2022 14:26:28 GMT -5
Also. many Catholic HS students are not Catholic, the student bodies are much more diverse. Many parents, including intercity parents are sending their kids to catholic school in part because of safety concerns, discipline & often because they believe them to be more vigorous academically.
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Post by longsuffering on May 19, 2022 15:26:52 GMT -5
In the sixties, the dual trends of the baby boom and the exodus from Boston neighborhoods to the suburbs created double sessions in some towns as they rushed to build more public schools. That made the Catholic Schools in the suburbs more attractive and the workforce of nuns made them affordable.
Now suburbs offer Taj Mahal facilities at their high schools that the Catholic Schools can't match and lay teachers can't work for peanuts like the Sisters.
So they must offer a good product. Which they generally do.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 19, 2022 19:03:27 GMT -5
Interesting discussion. One of the big changes has been the generational move out of the cities for Catholic families--they are more suburban in nature and there are simply fewer Catholic schools then there were in-town, leaving he urban schools underfunded and the suburban families underserved.
Another factor, especially for the Jesuits: for all its evangelization, it drew the line at Washington and never moved south. Outside of the French colonial outposts of New Orleans and Mobile, there isn't a major Catholic school south of Washington, DC. Even in high schools, you won't find a single Jesuit school (pre-Cristo Rey) in places like Richmond, Charlotte, Atlanta, Orlando, Austin, or Nashville. There are just two Jesuit high schools in the entire state of Texas, and they didn't arrive until 1942 and 1960, respectively. By that point, the Catholic families ended up with public schools and the ties to Catholic colleges simply aren't there.
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Post by longsuffering on May 19, 2022 20:06:14 GMT -5
Interesting discussion. One of the big changes has been the generational move out of the cities for Catholic families--they are more suburban in nature and there are simply fewer Catholic schools then there were in-town, leaving he urban schools underfunded and the suburban families underserved. Another factor, especially for the Jesuits: for all its evangelization, it drew the line at Washington and never moved south. Outside of the French colonial outposts of New Orleans and Mobile, there isn't a major Catholic school south of Washington, DC. Even in high schools, you won't find a single Jesuit school (pre-Cristo Rey) in places like Richmond, Charlotte, Atlanta, Orlando, Austin, or Nashville. There are just two Jesuit high schools in the entire state of Texas, and they didn't arrive until 1942 and 1960, respectively. By that point, the Catholic families ended up with public schools and the ties to Catholic colleges simply aren't there. A new Catholic College opening today is very unlikely. A new Catholic High School opening today is unlikely. A new tuition free Jesuit middle school, the Nativity School, opening in Worcester recently is unbelievable.
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Post by mm67 on May 19, 2022 20:35:04 GMT -5
The suburbs may present other challenges for Catholic education. For instance Westchester County NY has some truly exceptional public high schools. People locate to these town for the high quality schools. RE taxes of $20,000+ and higher are not unusual. Add Catholic HS tuition to the RE tax = a heavy lift for some.
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Post by hcpride on May 20, 2022 6:22:50 GMT -5
FWIW, the top 5 students in our local Catholic high school are going to MIT, Villanova, RPI, BU and Colgate. If we can’t get the top students from the Catholic schools in the northeast, are we going to get any high school’s top students? Hopefully President Rougeau has a plan. Impressive list of selective schools. I don’t have the expectation of HC landing the top kids from northeast Catholic schools but many of our kids do come from northeast Catholic schools. Here on Long Island, St Anthony’s is sending their top two kids to Northeastern and Bucknell while Chaminade’s top two are heading to Princeton and Notre Dame. (Newsday prints Valedictorian and Salutatorian destinations for Long Island schools.)
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Post by hcsaderfan on May 20, 2022 7:58:17 GMT -5
Does anyone know if there will be triples or even quads in the fall? I was told numbers were closing in on 1,000 this year for the incoming class. Thx.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 20, 2022 9:13:45 GMT -5
1,000 would be insane—a dramatic increase in yield?
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Post by longsuffering on May 20, 2022 9:17:24 GMT -5
As Yogi might say, nobody goes to BU, BC or Colgate anymore because they're too selective. Leaving more for HC?
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