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Post by alum on Feb 8, 2022 11:19:25 GMT -5
Wow something is really going well in the Chenango Valley. This is the great thing about Crossports. I had never heard of the Chenago Valley and now, from Wikipedia, I know that chenago is an Oneida word for "large bullthistle."
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Post by hcpride on Feb 8, 2022 15:39:05 GMT -5
I did see on the admissions front that we have joined the QuestBridge College Match Program. It is a way to bring in very smart kids who may need considerable financial aid. If you've ever meet a Quest Bridge finalist kid you know what I mean. The one I knew needed 100% financial aid and was admired by every teacher in our high school for her brains, hard work, and what she had to overcome at home. Colgate, BTW, joined about two years ago. Tends to be the very strongest colleges. news.holycross.edu/blog/2022/01/19/holy-cross-joins-questbridge-for-national-admissions-recruitment-partnership/
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Post by princetoncrusader on Feb 8, 2022 19:51:53 GMT -5
Years ago on a Monday Night football telecast on ABC, the late Howard Cosell referred to Colgate as "the little giant of the Chenango Valley" or something like that. His comment was in reference to Mark Van Eagan I believe.
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Post by hcpride on Feb 22, 2022 5:59:22 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 17, 2022 15:15:01 GMT -5
Just saw this
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 17, 2022 16:31:08 GMT -5
You should raise your price by 3.86% also. The Foleymobile doesn't drive for free.
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Post by matunuck on Mar 18, 2022 14:53:05 GMT -5
Have little hope we’ve moved the dial much on app numbers, but I am more hopeful our new president will things around. That said, HC has always been slug-like in updating data and even when they get around to it the data is far less detailed than other many schools.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 19, 2022 10:35:32 GMT -5
My friend’s son just found out he was admitted (Regular Decision) which is pretty timely.
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Post by gks on Mar 19, 2022 14:23:37 GMT -5
Going through the college process for a second time this spring almost every college my son has applied to has noted 'record' applications. I think the gap year taken by many kids during the pandemic over the last two college cycles has added to this.
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Post by mm67 on Mar 19, 2022 15:03:40 GMT -5
You should raise your price by 3.86% also. The Foleymobile doesn't drive for free.O Is the cost of doing business in Boston related to the high price of Tuition/R&B? Also,has the campus gone through expensive renovations lately? Or, is it simply supply & demand?
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 19, 2022 15:14:22 GMT -5
You should raise your price by 3.86% also. The Foleymobile doesn't drive for free.O Is the cost of doing business in Boston related to the high price of Tuition/R&B? Also,has the campus gone through expensive renovations lately? Or, is it simply supply & demand? The cost of living is sky high in metro Boston. Buildings can be financed by fundraising but you never hear of a "John J. 'Sully' Sullivan class of '56 cost of living pay increase.". Staff salaries and benefits must come predominantly from tuition.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 26, 2022 15:04:11 GMT -5
Some Boston schools doing quite well thus far this cycle: This week, colleges across the country make decisions on whether applicants are accepted, waitlisted, or deferred. It comes at a time when universities across the country are seeing record breaking application numbers.
Take local colleges like Boston College, Boston University, and Northeastern University. Each of those schools report the highest number of applications received during a single application period.
Boston College received 41,000 applications. Boston University received 81,000 applications, up from 75,000 last year.
If you take a closer look at Northeastern’s application data, you get a better sense of overall growth.
In 2022, Northeastern received 91,000 applications. By comparison, they received 75,000 in 2021 and 64,000 in 2020.boston.cbslocal.com/2022/03/25/boston-university-boston-college-northeastern-university-college-applications/
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 26, 2022 17:07:16 GMT -5
> For the class of 2025, Colby College had 15,857 applicants, Williams College had 12,500, Wesleyan University 13,145. Holy Cross had 6,498.
> For the class of 2026, Colgate University had 21,126 applicants, Bucknell University had 11,364. Lafayette College’s 10,480 applicants broke the previous record of 9,237 for the class of 2022. Early action applicants alone for Georgetown’s class of 2026 numbered 8,832, hailing from 49 states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and 28 foreign countries. The states with the most applicants were California with 920 applicants, New York with 692 and New Jersey with 652. ------------------ This is the legacy of Ann.
As VR said, it will take five years to develop a robust applicant pool.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 26, 2022 19:51:56 GMT -5
Thanks for the indigestion. These comparisons are shocking.
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Post by crusader99 on Mar 26, 2022 20:23:53 GMT -5
Whoever believes that the College should move toward Colby/Williams group and away from BC, ND, Nova and Gtowns is gravely mistaken. The College’s alumni will steer their children/grandchildren and $ toward those schools that reflect their family values and away from the woke trends from the more liberal schools. 6,500 apps is an embarrassment and should have the red lights flashing and horns sounding at the next meeting of the Board of Trustees. Let’s get the school back on track…. Hire someone from Nova or Colgate, they seem to get it
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 26, 2022 21:10:55 GMT -5
Whoever believes that the College should move toward Colby/Williams group and away from BC, ND, Nova and Gtowns is gravely mistaken. The College’s alumni will steer their children/grandchildren and $ toward those schools that reflect their family values and away from the woke trends from the more liberal schools. 6,500 apps is an embarrassment and should have the red lights flashing and horns sounding at the next meeting of the Board of Trustees. Let’s get the school back on track…. Hire someone from Nova or Colgate, they seem to get it Might have something to do with the school being named HOLY CROSS...people might be moving away from the religious backgrounds for college students.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 27, 2022 0:03:35 GMT -5
Whoever believes that the College should move toward Colby/Williams group and away from BC, ND, Nova and Gtowns is gravely mistaken. The College’s alumni will steer their children/grandchildren and $ toward those schools that reflect their family values and away from the woke trends from the more liberal schools. 6,500 apps is an embarrassment and should have the red lights flashing and horns sounding at the next meeting of the Board of Trustees. Let’s get the school back on track…. Hire someone from Nova or Colgate, they seem to get it Might have something to do with the school being named HOLY CROSS...people might be moving away from the religious backgrounds for college students. Do you really think that students and parents arrive at Villanova, Providence, Santa Clara, or boston college for freshman move-in day and say "Oh, my, I didn't know this was a Catholic college?"
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Post by hcpride on Mar 27, 2022 4:55:20 GMT -5
Might have something to do with the school being named HOLY CROSS...people might be moving away from the religious backgrounds for college students. Do you really think that students and parents arrive at Villanova, Providence, Santa Clara, or boston college for freshman move-in day and say "Oh, my, I didn't know this was a Catholic college?" Agreed. Our applicants (going by available data) tend to also apply to PC, Fordham, BC, ND, etc. so, of course, they know we’re Catholic. While this is a vast oversimplification, there is a point to be made that those other four Catholic schools (add in Georgetown and Nova, if you will) may have a broader natural base of appeal nowadays given their varied course offerings, larger size, and more innocuous names. (Obviously there large differences in a number of directions amongst those six Catholic schools.) As far as adding substantial The College of the Holy Cross applicants/enrollees from the pool of those looking at secular undergraduate liberal arts colleges such as Colby and Colgate goes, I think merely phrasing it like that illuminates the difficulty.
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Post by Ignutz on Mar 27, 2022 6:12:20 GMT -5
Our “religious name” is certainly more in your face than others - with Providence and Santa Clara’s derived from their “religious” municipality names, and (The University of) Our Lady in South Bend hiding its name in a foreign tongue. Shall we change to (College of the) Sanctae Crucis?
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Post by crusader99 on Mar 27, 2022 7:28:00 GMT -5
We should drill down on who we are and celebrate those values and traditions that have been constants for over the past 175 plus years. I do not understand what would motivate someone to attend (or be employed by) a private, catholic institution that is steep in the Jesuit tradition and then encourage a migration away from those same values that were initially attractive.
It’s really simple, if increasing applicants is the goal, improve the mens basketball team… the millions of dollars of exposure that Villanova, Gonzaga and now Providence and St. Peter’s are realizing from these few weeks cannot not be purchased through a flashy marketing campaign.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 27, 2022 7:48:42 GMT -5
Whoever believes that the College should move toward Colby/Williams group and away from BC, ND, Nova and Gtowns is gravely mistaken. The College’s alumni will steer their children/grandchildren and $ toward those schools that reflect their family values and away from the woke trends from the more liberal schools. 6,500 apps is an embarrassment and should have the red lights flashing and horns sounding at the next meeting of the Board of Trustees. Let’s get the school back on track…. Hire someone from Nova or Colgate, they seem to get it Let me clarify to minimize misconceptions and misperceptions. . Holy Cross is classified as a national liberal arts college, as is Colby, Williams, Wesleyan, AND Colgate, and Bucknell, and Lafayette. Boston College, Notre Dame, Georgetown, and Villanova are classified as national universities, as are Boston University. Lehigh University, American University. Holy Cross is the only Jesuit liberal arts college in the United States, thus, it is unique among the 27 Jesuit higher-ed institutions in this country. Holy Cross cannot move toward, a Villanova, Boston College, and Georgetown, ---without abandoning much of the entire curriculum; e.g., create a school of management, create a graduate school, etc. (I made a nit-picking comment about St. Peter's basketball team transferring to HC. Most of that team is majoring in sports management, criminal justice.) Comparing Holy Cross with other secular national liberal arts colleges is appropriate because this group of schools offer a similar curriculum, and presumably compete for students interested in such a curriculum, with all the values and limitations of said curriculum. As Rougeau said with respect to Colby, and I'm paraphrasing, how does Colby manage to get as many applicants as it does when it is a small school in the boonies of Maine, and Holy Cross is in the second largest city in New England, 45 miles from Boston? The Common Data Set prepared by Holy Cross for the class of 2024 states that 56 percent of the class is from Massachusetts. Ditto for the class of 2025. (HCPride, the CDS for 2025 has just been published by HC, and other schools are publishing their CDS for 2025 as well.) For Colgate, 27 percent of the class of 2025 reside in New York. Lafayette 18 percent of the class of 2025 are from Pennsylvania. Amherst College, 11 percent of the class of 2025 reside in Massachusetts. What Ann appears to have done in the final years of her tenure was to double-down on recruiting from Massachusetts, which is a recipe for enrollment disaster. And which is why VR said it will take five years to reverse her failed strategy. If there were such a tort, I would charge her with admissions malpractice.
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Post by mm67 on Mar 27, 2022 8:30:35 GMT -5
Improving success in athletics is not a requirement for academic improvement. Look at the athletics of other superior National Lib Arts colleges - Colby, Bowdoin,, Williams, Wesleyan, Colgate etc. None have powerhouse athletics programs. We can add Amherst, Middlebur Swarthmore, Trinity Carlton, Reed And on and on. However, HC is not on a level with these schools known more for their academics than athletics. So maybe HC should follow the traditional Catholic school paradigm of athletics. Snap on your jock strap and study the Catechism. Would this approach improve the application numbers or improve the academic quality of the school?
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Post by matunuck on Mar 27, 2022 8:33:24 GMT -5
Wesleyan received 6800 apps in 2000, 10,500 in 2010 and now apps are in the 13,000 range. HC does a poor job of reaching prospective students outside the northeast. We put comparatively far fewer resources into recruiting students from regions of the nation with population growth, and we need to do more outreach to high school guidance counselors. I live in Virginia, and it’s pretty clear to me, after talking with various counselors in the area, that we aren’t doing enough.
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Post by crusader99 on Mar 27, 2022 10:00:38 GMT -5
Improving success in athletics is not a requirement for academic improvement. Look at the athletics of other superior National Lib Arts colleges - Colby, Bowdoin,, Williams, Wesleyan, Colgate etc. None have powerhouse athletics programs. We can add Amherst, Middlebur Swarthmore, Trinity Carlton, Reed And on and on. However, HC is not on a level with these schools known more for their academics than athletics. So maybe HC should follow the traditional Catholic school paradigm of athletics. Snap on your jock strap and study the Catechism. Would this approach improve the application numbers or improve the academic quality of the school? This is a head in the sand and expired view of the world. It’s like waiting for the newspaper to be delivered to obtain news. We have a high school junior now looking at schools. He will qualify for ED admission at HC and is looking for a school that is academically challenging but yet fun, with D1 sports, with course offerings similar to those that both his older siblings Majored at the College (classes of 19 and 23). He does not wear a jock strap and neither do his classmates at his all boys catholic high school that send 10+ kids to ND, BC and yes Nova each year. He and the other non-athletes must be the target students for the College. These kids will not even consider the Williams, Colby, Amherst etcs of the world. It is not who they are and they reject the current culture at those institutions. They read their news on their IPhones and tablets….. But for his family members, he would not even visit the campus. It is long past time to position the College to reach qualified students like him/them similar to the generations of students that proceeded them AND who enrolled on the Hill.
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Post by mm67 on Mar 27, 2022 10:10:03 GMT -5
nj Glad you speak for high school juniors. However, the lack of attendance at HC's games belies your premise. IMO you are in fact describing students from a by-gone era. HC is not Alabama, ND. HC is a small liberal arts college which appeals to students with a different mindset than those who apply to athletics first universities. We can agree to disagree on issues but in the future I urge you to avoid personal comments and I will do the same. Peace. Respectfully.
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