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Post by longsuffering on Jan 13, 2022 21:37:42 GMT -5
So if I understand the current Covid protocols , and members of the HC team tested positive today, they have to wait (quarantine) 5 days..So that would tell me the Sunday game will also be ppd'ed...Is this a correct assumption? If only enough players tested positive today to tip the scales to cancellation, perhaps some previously infected will have cleared the five days to give HC enough players to play Sunday.
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Post by cmo on Jan 13, 2022 21:38:06 GMT -5
When the healthy 20-year old gets a vaccine his risk of serious Covid impact goes all the way from essentially zero to essentially zero. And, of course, add in the booster it plummets to essentially zero. Throw on a mask (and/or scuba gear with breathing apparatus and gloves) and it craters to essentially zero. Obviously, the problem is not Covid, it is Covid protocols. The ability of the crafty virus to spread from these 20-year olds to vulnerable unvaccinated folks isn't essentially zero. Unfortunately. what vulnerable unvaccinated folks would they come in contact with in an arena without fans on a campus that requires vaccines and boosters and masks?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 13, 2022 21:39:39 GMT -5
When the healthy 20-year old gets a vaccine his risk of serious Covid impact goes all the way from essentially zero to essentially zero. And, of course, add in the booster it plummets to essentially zero. Throw on a mask (and/or scuba gear with breathing apparatus and gloves) and it craters to essentially zero. Obviously, the problem is not Covid, it is Covid protocols. The ability of the crafty virus to spread from these 20-year olds to vulnerable unvaccinated folks isn't essentially zero. Unfortunately. The first time in history we have shut down society because a virus is harmful to a small portion of society and not the majority. What vulnerable person would be in the Luth anyways? That place was like Fort Knox I thought?
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 13, 2022 21:45:33 GMT -5
SOV: Luth!😂
Come on guys! They are protecting the vulnerable refs!!!!!
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Post by hcpride on Jan 13, 2022 21:45:51 GMT -5
When the healthy 20-year old gets a vaccine his risk of serious Covid impact goes all the way from essentially zero to essentially zero. And, of course, add in the booster it plummets to essentially zero. Throw on a mask (and/or scuba gear with breathing apparatus and gloves) and it craters to essentially zero. Obviously, the problem is not Covid, it is Covid protocols. The ability of the crafty virus to spread from these 20-year olds to vulnerable unvaccinated folks isn't essentially zero. Unfortunately. There are many respiratory viruses that spread from one person to a more vulnerable person. The chance of that ending is zero. Why base an argument on an impossible standard? (Unless it’s all you got.)
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jan 13, 2022 21:46:27 GMT -5
SoV, you were saying the same things a year and a half ago when you doubted there would be 100,000 deaths. By the way 850,000 deaths and counting is not "a small portion of society".
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 13, 2022 21:47:43 GMT -5
This is the second time in two weeks an AU team has traveled, only to have the home team cancel, literally, as we were warming up. WBB went up to Lehigh on 12/29 for our game up there on 12/30, and had just arrived at Lehigh's arena only to be told that the game had been postponed. Then, as now, I think the game should be forfeited. It is not fair for our kids to travel, and get there, and be ready to play – despite, again, being wildly shorthanded – and have the game postponed at the last minute. Why should we have to go back up there? And I would absolutely say the same if a team came to AU and arrived, ready to go, and we had last-second positives that forced a postponement. It's not right. It's embarrassing at this point. Fully vaccinated + boosted DI college basketball players on teams ranked below 300 in KenPom seem to be especially vulnerable to testing positive for the Omricon variant. I guess not allowing fans into the Lafayette game somehow didn't do the trick as far as keeping the greater HC community safe from COVID.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 13, 2022 21:49:36 GMT -5
SoV, you were saying the same things a year and a half ago when you doubted there would be 100,000 deaths. By the way 850,000 deaths and counting is not "a small portion of society". That means healthy young athletes are dying of Covid?
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Post by HC92 on Jan 13, 2022 21:51:18 GMT -5
To efg’s point about this no longer being a big deal for the general population, 2 of the players on one of my basketball teams tested positive this week. I contacted our two upcoming opponents today offering to cancel, postpone and/or forfeit if they were uncomfortable and neither team had any qualms about playing the games against the remaining players. People just seem to be done living their lives around it. Not sure if that’s right or wrong but that’s the reality of it in the real world.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 13, 2022 21:55:00 GMT -5
This is the second time in two weeks an AU team has traveled, only to have the home team cancel, literally, as we were warming up. WBB went up to Lehigh on 12/29 for our game up there on 12/30, and had just arrived at Lehigh's arena only to be told that the game had been postponed. Then, as now, I think the game should be forfeited. It is not fair for our kids to travel, and get there, and be ready to play – despite, again, being wildly shorthanded – and have the game postponed at the last minute. Why should we have to go back up there? And I would absolutely say the same if a team came to AU and arrived, ready to go, and we had last-second positives that forced a postponement. It's not right. At a minimum, I think Lehigh and HC should both travel to American for the makeup games. That’s a rule in the CT Cup soccer tourney where all the travel teams in the state play. If you don’t give enough notice of a weather issue that causes the game to be cancelled after the other team starts traveling to you, the makeup is the next day and the other team hosts.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 13, 2022 21:55:44 GMT -5
This is the second time in two weeks an AU team has traveled, only to have the home team cancel, literally, as we were warming up. WBB went up to Lehigh on 12/29 for our game up there on 12/30, and had just arrived at Lehigh's arena only to be told that the game had been postponed. Then, as now, I think the game should be forfeited. It is not fair for our kids to travel, and get there, and be ready to play – despite, again, being wildly shorthanded – and have the game postponed at the last minute. Why should we have to go back up there? And I would absolutely say the same if a team came to AU and arrived, ready to go, and we had last-second positives that forced a postponement. It's not right. It's embarrassing at this point. Fully vaccinated + boosted DI college basketball players on teams ranked below 300 in KenPom seem to be especially vulnerable to testing positive for the Omricon variant. I guess not allowing fans into the Lafayette game somehow didn't do the trick as far as keeping the greater HC community safe from COVID. I'd love to hear what Nelson thinks about this; but he's only willing to talk after a win. So we probably won't hear him speak again this season.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 13, 2022 22:00:01 GMT -5
The ability of the crafty virus to spread from these 20-year olds to vulnerable unvaccinated folks isn't essentially zero. Unfortunately. The first time in history we have shut down society because a virus is harmful to a small portion of society and not the majority. What vulnerable person would be in the Luth anyways? That place was like Fort Knox I thought? Let's see expose the Holy Cross staff that has to manage the game, the officials, etc. You don't know everyone's family for example: a sick parent going through cancer treatment or have a kid who has a damaged immune system. Plenty more people involved then just the players.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 13, 2022 22:05:33 GMT -5
Absolutely absurd. If they banged this game at home tonite, next to zero shot they play Sun at 'gate. Maybe we'll get to play the game before an audience when it's rescheduled! Gotta look at the bright side of things.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 13, 2022 22:06:00 GMT -5
To efg’s point about this no longer being a big deal for the general population, 2 of the players on one of my basketball teams tested positive this week. I contacted our two upcoming opponents today offering to cancel, postpone and/or forfeit if they were uncomfortable and neither team had any qualms about playing the games against the remaining players. People just seem to be done living their lives around it. Not sure if that’s right or wrong but that’s the reality of it in the real world. I contracted it in a similar fashion as discussed here. I think being that risky is crazy. Is anyone really going to be hurt if those games are played in three weeks?
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Post by timholycross on Jan 13, 2022 22:22:13 GMT -5
So if I understand the current Covid protocols , and members of the HC team tested positive today, they have to wait (quarantine) 5 days..So that would tell me the Sunday game will also be ppd'ed...Is this a correct assumption? The only way I can see that it wouldn't is if some of the positives occurred a couple days ago (the rest today) and those guys would be able to play Sunday. (edit) Longsuffering beat me to this conclusion.
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Post by notjuanjones on Jan 13, 2022 22:24:41 GMT -5
This is the second time in two weeks an AU team has traveled, only to have the home team cancel, literally, as we were warming up. WBB went up to Lehigh on 12/29 for our game up there on 12/30, and had just arrived at Lehigh's arena only to be told that the game had been postponed. Then, as now, I think the game should be forfeited. It is not fair for our kids to travel, and get there, and be ready to play – despite, again, being wildly shorthanded – and have the game postponed at the last minute. Why should we have to go back up there? And I would absolutely say the same if a team came to AU and arrived, ready to go, and we had last-second positives that forced a postponement. It's not right. Maybe a middle step of the team who cancels gives up their home game so both league games are on the home court of the team left standing at the alter. That would work for the first half of the league season and then back to the drawing board. I would agree with this solution. They did similar last season with the pod system. Would involve tweaks, but I'd have no problem with playing HC back to back nights on 1/26 (scheduled game) and 1/27 (makeup game), if we could push back our next scheduled game, at Navy, from 1/29 (Saturday) to Sunday 1/30 or Monday 1/31.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 13, 2022 22:34:18 GMT -5
The ability of the crafty virus to spread from these 20-year olds to vulnerable unvaccinated folks isn't essentially zero. Unfortunately. what vulnerable unvaccinated folks would they come in contact with in an arena without fans on a campus that requires vaccines and boosters and masks? You never know. Err on the safe side. (I’m kidding, I’m kidding…you make a good point although I think the covid-alarmists are not entirely serious. Covid alarmism [faux and otherwise] has crested and there are bound to be long-haulers here and there.)
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Post by dadominate on Jan 14, 2022 8:06:06 GMT -5
assuming the team was fully vaccinated? maybe instead of blindly trusting The Science™ the next time we face a pandemic, we can see beyond the divisiveness, band together, and support genuine medical science that considers, evaluates, and deploys ALL available treatments at our vast disposal... not just a limited few that are patented and make billions of $$$ for the pharmaceutical industry. absolute insanity that this is how we are dealing with this after 2 years. but sadly, not entirely surprising given the fact we've been fighting this thing with one hand tied behind our back by blindly focusing on vaccination thanks to pharma lobbies, corrupt politicians, captured regulatory agencies, and a complicit media. disgusting. we are capable of so much more. Only 62% vaccinated. Restrictive policies are in place to protect the vulnerable 38%. That's the concept of public health, as a society we look out for each other's health. Leave no one behind. at this point, covid and the omicron variant is clearly not a vaccinated vs. unvaccinated issue. most people with omicron in the united states are vaccinated. many of these cases are occurring among the boosted. in many places of the united states and across the world, the majority of hospital admissions are now even among vaccinated. blaming everything on the unvaccinated is divisive foolishness and needs to stop if we are to emerge from the pandemic as a healthy society. i appreciate your lecture on the concept of public health - which i can assure you i obtained during my doctoral training and nearly 20 years in the field - but rest assured your application of the concepts are overly simplistic when it comes to vaccination as the solution to this pandemic, which has clearly been a failure and has been a source of unfounded societal division, stoked by those with strong political biases (on both sides) and a lack of ability to "follow the money" of the patented treatments and those that are lobbying for them that is steering the ship of our policy. as it pertains to the topic of holy cross basketball, the players are vaccinated (which obviously did not protect them from contracting the illness) and we've moved beyond proof of vaccination for fans to outright preventing fans from attending our games, there is no good public health reason to cancel the game. particularly during warmups when the opponent has traveled. the overreach of covid policy that is utilizing only a select few heavy-handed tools (mandated vaccines, lockdowns, and undifferentiated mandates of masks... get an n95 or higher if you want any reasonable protection) continues to adversely affect all levels of society, including holy cross basketball.
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Post by gks on Jan 14, 2022 8:26:34 GMT -5
Only 62% vaccinated. Restrictive policies are in place to protect the vulnerable 38%. That's the concept of public health, as a society we look out for each other's health. Leave no one behind. at this point, covid and the omicron variant is clearly not a vaccinated vs. unvaccinated issue. most people with omicron in the united states are vaccinated. many of these cases are occurring among the boosted. in many places of the united states and across the world, the majority of hospital admissions are now even among vaccinated. blaming everything on the unvaccinated is divisive foolishness and needs to stop if we are to emerge from the pandemic as a healthy society. i appreciate your lecture on the concept of public health - which i can assure you i obtained during my doctoral training and nearly 20 years in the field - but rest assured your application of the concepts are overly simplistic when it comes to vaccination as the solution to this pandemic, which has clearly been a failure and has been a source of unfounded societal division, stoked by those with strong political biases (on both sides) and a lack of ability to "follow the money" of the patented treatments and those that are lobbying for them that is steering the ship of our policy. as it pertains to the topic of holy cross basketball, the players are vaccinated (which obviously did not protect them from contracting the illness) and we've moved beyond proof of vaccination for fans to outright preventing fans from attending our games, there is no good public health reason to cancel the game. particularly during warmups when the opponent has traveled. the overreach of covid policy that is utilizing only a select few heavy-handed tools (mandated vaccines, lockdowns, and undifferentiated mandates of masks... get an n95 or higher if you want any reasonable protection) continues to adversely affect all levels of society, including holy cross basketball. This post is 100% correct. It is time to move one....everyone knows at this point the potential consequences of their choices pertaining to this subject. It's starting to border on obnoxious.
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Post by Tom on Jan 14, 2022 9:16:08 GMT -5
Only 62% vaccinated. Restrictive policies are in place to protect the vulnerable 38%. That's the concept of public health, as a society we look out for each other's health. Leave no one behind. at this point, covid and the omicron variant is clearly not a vaccinated vs. unvaccinated issue. most people with omicron in the united states are vaccinated. many of these cases are occurring among the boosted. in many places of the united states and across the world, the majority of hospital admissions are now even among vaccinated. blaming everything on the unvaccinated is divisive foolishness and needs to stop if we are to emerge from the pandemic as a healthy society. Based on zero medical training, I think everyone is mis-using the term "vaccine" If I get a polio vaccine, I'm not getting polio. If I get a COVID shot, I still might get COVID, especially Omicron, but I'm significantly less likely to get seriously ill Nothing to do with medicine, More of a math thing with hypothetical numbers. If Omicron is half as likely to cause hospitalization in any group, but three times more contagious, then there will be more hospitalizations ----------------------------------------- I'm not sure what HC is doing for testing, but if it's some sort of rapid test, I think they should do any basketball tests in the morning instead of 6:00 PM on a game night
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Post by alum on Jan 14, 2022 9:22:06 GMT -5
at this point, covid and the omicron variant is clearly not a vaccinated vs. unvaccinated issue. most people with omicron in the united states are vaccinated. many of these cases are occurring among the boosted. in many places of the united states and across the world, the majority of hospital admissions are now even among vaccinated. blaming everything on the unvaccinated is divisive foolishness and needs to stop if we are to emerge from the pandemic as a healthy society. Based on zero medical training, I think everyone is mis-using the term "vaccine" If I get a polio vaccine, I'm not getting polio. If I get a COVID shot, I still might get COVID, especially Omicron, but I'm significantly less likely to get seriously ill Nothing to do with medicine, More of a math thing with hypothetical numbers. If Omicron is half as likely to cause hospitalization in any group, but three times more contagious, then there will be more hospitalizations----------------------------------------- I'm not sure what HC is doing for testing, but if it's some sort of rapid test, I think they should do any basketball tests in the morning instead of 6:00 PM on a game night Look at you showing off your knowlede of fractions and decimals. I bet you know how to solve those order of operations problems people post on social media, too. While some of what we have all learned about infectious disease was counterintuitive in the beginning, you are correct that it is often just common sense.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 14, 2022 9:22:39 GMT -5
The point of vaccination in the US seemed to have two tracks: For the elderly or those with health risks, the vaccine would save you from certain hospitalization and potential death from COVID. For the young or otherwise healthy, it would help stop you from spreading COVID to those who were vulnerable, and the slip of paper would let you go to restaurants, board airplanes, go to sporting events, and essentially do enjoyable and necessary things in life.
Now, folks have to get the vaccine but also have to stay indoors and isolate to protect... those who refuse to get the vaccine?
If you're afraid of your parachute not opening, you don't go skydiving.
If you're afraid of flying like John Madden was, you take the bus.
If you're going to do missionary work in Africa, you take the appropriate boosters before you travel.
If you don't know how to swim, you probably shouldn't jump in the pool.
If you're susceptible during the winter months, you get the flu shot or pneumonia vaccine, etc.
If you don't like scary movies, you don't put them on TV.
We're not saying that COVID is without risk. We're saying that for those of us who had a shot (and probably didn't NEED one medically, only politically), and the risks are relatively low, we MUST be allowed to exercise our own freedoms. Our burden is not for those who have issues. I'm not sneezing in their faces. I'm not compelling them to go into a packed nightclub. If they fear the situation, they can stay home. I have young friends who do just that. For the same reason I don't jump out of a perfectly good airplane. Odds and preparation and prior conditions aside, it's not worth the risk for ME. We don't ground all airplanes. This is nonsense.
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Post by trimster on Jan 14, 2022 9:26:30 GMT -5
This is the second time in two weeks an AU team has traveled, only to have the home team cancel, literally, as we were warming up. WBB went up to Lehigh on 12/29 for our game up there on 12/30, and had just arrived at Lehigh's arena only to be told that the game had been postponed. Then, as now, I think the game should be forfeited. It is not fair for our kids to travel, and get there, and be ready to play – despite, again, being wildly shorthanded – and have the game postponed at the last minute. Why should we have to go back up there? And I would absolutely say the same if a team came to AU and arrived, ready to go, and we had last-second positives that forced a postponement. It's not right. Maybe a middle step of the team who cancels gives up their home game so both league games are on the home court of the team left standing at the alter. That would work for the first half of the league season and then back to the drawing board. I was thinking the same thing. In HC’s case, they are at Navy in the middle of Feb, so they should be able to play a game at American the day before or the day after if they prefer not to play at AU on consecutive days.
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Post by dadominate on Jan 14, 2022 10:03:13 GMT -5
The point of vaccination in the US seemed to have two tracks: For the elderly or those with health risks, the vaccine would save you from certain hospitalization and potential death from COVID. For the young or otherwise healthy, it would help stop you from spreading COVID to those who were vulnerable, and the slip of paper would let you go to restaurants, board airplanes, go to sporting events, and essentially do enjoyable and necessary things in life. Now, folks have to get the vaccine but also have to stay indoors and isolate to protect... those who refuse to get the vaccine? If you're afraid of your parachute not opening, you don't go skydiving. If you're afraid of flying like John Madden was, you take the bus. If you're going to do missionary work in Africa, you take the appropriate boosters before you travel. If you don't know how to swim, you probably shouldn't jump in the pool. If you're susceptible during the winter months, you get the flu shot or pneumonia vaccine, etc. If you don't like scary movies, you don't put them on TV. We're not saying that COVID is without risk. We're saying that for those of us who had a shot (and probably didn't NEED one medically, only politically), and the risks are relatively low, we MUST be allowed to exercise our own freedoms. Our burden is not for those who have issues. I'm not sneezing in their faces. I'm not compelling them to go into a packed nightclub. If they fear the situation, they can stay home. I have young friends who do just that. For the same reason I don't jump out of a perfectly good airplane. Odds and preparation and prior conditions aside, it's not worth the risk for ME. We don't ground all airplanes. This is nonsense. very well said! agree across the board. many scientists and clinicians share these sentiments... and have for some time now. the claim that was being pushed that scientists, "experts", etc. were ever all on the same page on covid was and is a fallacy. as for tom's astute point, i and many others agree that covid "vaccines" aren't vaccines in the classic sense. they are both non-sterilizing and monovalent and do little to stop infection or transmission. with sterilizing vaccines, the virus can't gain a toehold in the body because the immune system stops the virus entering cells and replicating. the mrna and dna viral vector vaccines allow the virus to enter our cells, replicate, and be transmitted to others. what they do is provide a lessened response to the damage of the spike protein, which is just one component of the covid virus. this is helpful for those at risk (obese, diabetic, hypertensive, older age with compromised immunity, etc.), but there are other viral proteins that can and still do cause problems. this is another limitation of the monovalent nature of the current vaccines, with activity limited to the spike protein. just as the definition of "gain of function" was changed during covid (a discussion for another day... suffice to say there is good reason for the current grilling of one of our more notable alums), the definition of "vaccine" was also changed during the midst of the covid vaccination. the cdc definition of vaccine recently changed from “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease” to “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.” while i likely won't be getting any more vaccines since i have now had covid (natural immunity the broadest and likely longest-lasting protection of all, just as is the case with almost every other known virus), am not in a high risk category, and support my immune function (put flccc imask plus protocol into place when exposed: covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Alliance-I-MASKplus-Protocol-ENGLISH.pdf), the truest "vaccine" and the only one i would consider at this stage appears to be the novavax product. this is a classic vaccine that looks to be as effective with far fewer adverse events than the mrna and dna viral vector products. the big question in my eyes is whether novavax has enough of a lobbying force to go up against pfizer, moderna, etc. and the new patented medications, all of which are going to make billions which will influence the fda's decisions. time will tell. in the meanwhile, i hope all crossports posters support their immune function (that will always be your best weapon), practice reasonable protection based on your personal risk, enjoy life without being paralyzed by fear, and don't give into the divisiveness that is being pushed to judge others based on a single decision that is nowhere near as clear as either side is making it out to be.
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Post by Tom on Jan 14, 2022 10:43:13 GMT -5
as for tom's astute point, Not adding to the conversation. I just like reading that
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