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Post by sader1970 on Jan 18, 2022 18:23:44 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 18, 2022 20:16:27 GMT -5
Haven't seen this posted elsewhere: goholycross.com/watch/?Archive=949&type=Archive[/quote Perhaps he will end up defining excellence as high graduation rates and a high percentage of students competing in D-1 sports and declare excellence achieved. I doubt any previous ADs describe their tenure as a failure despite overall losing records from their first day until their last. Holy Cross as a place where you don't have settle isn't very measurable. |
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Post by hc17 on Jan 19, 2022 10:54:24 GMT -5
It would be quite refreshing for an AD to stress "winning" above all else, but that will never be the case at HC. I do like that he highlighted Football as formula or model for success. His "Have it All" is exactly what Chesney has been preaching the past year...hopefully the football staff is sharing notes with the other coaches at HC....At the end of the day, they are all pretty much selling the same product/opportunity.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 19, 2022 12:24:07 GMT -5
Perhaps my own bias and hearing what I wanted to hear but my impression was that Kit feels like Chesney & Co. are the model for the other sports - the "having it all": success on the field and in the class room and community involvement.
The trick is how to export that formula to the other sports, most notably men's basketball who are having no success on the court and, perhaps I've missed it, not especially noteworthy in the classroom or community. The 99% GSR is for years starting in 2014 ("The data reflect the six-year graduation rates for college athletes who entered school in 2014, for which the NCAA has compiled sport-by-sport figures") and includes men's basketball. Nelson can't be praised or panned for this yet.
While we've seen announcements about current football players making various academic honors, I don't recall seeing that for the basketball players except Malcolm Townsel. Oliver, Dobbs, Anderson and others have won various league, ECAC academic honors. Granted, a lot more football players than basketball but . . . .
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 19, 2022 12:55:09 GMT -5
We need another tutorial on how the six year graduation tracking works. IIRC, it is forgiving of transfers as long as the student graduates in six years, or does it remove all responsibility of a sending school in a transfer, or does the receiving school have no future liability under the formula? (Insert brief word on the vast difference between responsibility and liability by any insurance industry veteran nearby😂).
I feel both confusion and foreboding that HC's pride and joy, it's nation leading graduation rate is going to be damaged in the upcoming years by the BB exodus, but also hoping all the former players will graduate from somewhere in six years. Why wouldn't they in this day and age?
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Post by aaa8316 on Jan 19, 2022 21:42:57 GMT -5
Furthermore to some points made above...
- While I agree with the masses, and applaud the FBALL program and Chesey at the helm, PL Football and the FCS is not comparable to the level that the other HC Sports of focus (BBALL, Hockey) compete at. I say this with some reservation, as FBALL has performed recently against most opponents, and can't pick a different league to play in (and WIN).
- Good progress lately with WBBALL.
- MBBALL is horrid -- in every definition of the word.
- MHOCK is almost as bad as MBBALL, but not quite. And certainly isn't the be all/end all team at HC now or historically.
- WHOCK is horrid. They cannot compete in Hockey East.
In summary, goooood luck Kit. You need every ounce of it.
And for some of us on here who believe winning should absolutely be an expectation at Holy Cross, and is 100% possible, I don't like your chances in getting the institution to approve blatantly necessary changes (ie. cutting a bunch of useless Varsity programs that define "participaction") to give the Athletic Dept a remotely realistic chance to Win -- consistently.
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Post by Tom on Jan 20, 2022 12:51:24 GMT -5
We need another tutorial on how the six year graduation tracking works. IIRC, it is forgiving of transfers as long as the student graduates in six years, or does it remove all responsibility of a sending school in a transfer, or does the receiving school have no future liability under the formula? (Insert brief word on the vast difference between responsibility and liability by any insurance industry veteran nearby😂). I feel both confusion and foreboding that HC's pride and joy, it's nation leading graduation rate is going to be damaged in the upcoming years by the BB exodus, but also hoping all the former players will graduate from somewhere in six years. Why wouldn't they in this day and age? As I understand it, if a student transfers away from HC to another four year college AND said student was in good academic standing at the time of departure, that does not count against HC in terms of graduation rates. I believe the only hoops transfer out who is not currently enrolled in a bachelors or masters degree program is Drew Lowder. If he never gets a bachelors degree, that is not on HC. It might be on Eastern Michigan. Short answer: To the best of my knowledge, Holy Cross will not take a graduation rate hit from any of the mass exodus transfers |
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 20, 2022 12:56:42 GMT -5
We need another tutorial on how the six year graduation tracking works. IIRC, it is forgiving of transfers as long as the student graduates in six years, or does it remove all responsibility of a sending school in a transfer, or does the receiving school have no future liability under the formula? (Insert brief word on the vast difference between responsibility and liability by any insurance industry veteran nearby😂). I feel both confusion and foreboding that HC's pride and joy, it's nation leading graduation rate is going to be damaged in the upcoming years by the BB exodus, but also hoping all the former players will graduate from somewhere in six years. Why wouldn't they in this day and age? As I understand it, if a student transfers away from HC to another four year college AND said student was in good academic standing at the time of departure, that does not count against HC in terms of graduation rates.  I believe the only hoops transfer out who is not currently enrolled in a bachelors or masters degree program is Drew Lowder. If he never gets a bachelors degree, that is not on HC. It might be on Eastern Michigan.  Short answer: To the best of my knowledge, Holy Cross will not take a graduation rate hit from any of the mass exodus transfers Thanks. That's great news. Nelson and Blossom might have received more push back from TPTB if it did threaten our nation leading ranking. |
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Post by timholycross on Jan 20, 2022 14:16:00 GMT -5
Let's face it. Sad to say, basketball is a mess at HC. Expect a massive transfer of b-ball students out of the school. Hope that somehow this failing program can be cleaned up soon. And, b-ball is HC's traditional marquis sport. So disappointing. So sad. You have evidence of this about to take place? Under what circumstances; i.e., new coaching staff (inevitable given the present rules, you're correct there) or coaching staff staying (don't see the attractiveness of most of them based on their performance)? |
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 20, 2022 18:02:28 GMT -5
As an "expression of pain" it does the job. Talking about mass "desertions" with no hard evidence seems at the least to be counterproductive. I prefer to stress over what his actually happening, not fantasies about what might happen at some point in the future.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 20, 2022 18:43:56 GMT -5
One credit to our coaches and players is that if they feel pain and frustration they keep it in house and continue working to get better. If this team ever does jell and make a run it will be the feel good story of the year.
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Post by hc17 on Jan 21, 2022 19:08:58 GMT -5
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 21, 2022 19:48:42 GMT -5
Guy on the far left should be able to get him up to speed.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 22, 2022 13:33:23 GMT -5
Who are the ladies and the non-Kit-Perrys?
Strange seeing young Ronnie w/little or no hair. Looks great, regardless.
CM's now a football factory led by the former Everett coach.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Feb 7, 2022 20:13:00 GMT -5
We need another tutorial on how the six year graduation tracking works. IIRC, it is forgiving of transfers as long as the student graduates in six years, or does it remove all responsibility of a sending school in a transfer, or does the receiving school have no future liability under the formula? (Insert brief word on the vast difference between responsibility and liability by any insurance industry veteran nearby😂). I feel both confusion and foreboding that HC's pride and joy, it's nation leading graduation rate is going to be damaged in the upcoming years by the BB exodus, but also hoping all the former players will graduate from somewhere in six years. Why wouldn't they in this day and age? As I understand it, if a student transfers away from HC to another four year college AND said student was in good academic standing at the time of departure, that does not count against HC in terms of graduation rates. I believe the only hoops transfer out who is not currently enrolled in a bachelors or masters degree program is Drew Lowder. If he never gets a bachelors degree, that is not on HC. It might be on Eastern Michigan. Short answer: To the best of my knowledge, Holy Cross will not take a graduation rate hit from any of the mass exodus transfers Yes, Lowder is a sophomore at Lansing Community College, his third school. Basketball-wise he could have lit up the PL, but HC wasn't a good fit academically, socially, geographically or some other way. I wish him the best, but for a guy who's not going to play in the NBA you have to wonder what his plan is. He is averaging over 20 points a game so someone will give him another chance somewhere else. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 7, 2022 21:10:57 GMT -5
Why did Lowder leave Eastern Michigan so abruptly (after doing the same at HC)?
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Post by princetoncrusader on Feb 8, 2022 10:32:19 GMT -5
Wasn't there a coaching change at EMU?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 8, 2022 11:15:08 GMT -5
Wasn't there a coaching change at EMU? Eastern went from Rob Murphy (HC at EMU 2012-2021) to Stan Heath, former HC at Kent State, Arkansas, South Florida |
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Post by timholycross on Feb 8, 2022 12:16:37 GMT -5
Wasn't there a coaching change at EMU? Eastern went from Rob Murphy (HC at EMU 2012-2021) to Stan Heath, former HC at Kent State, Arkansas, South Florida Here's a more comical item: HC 2019-20 Last Place in the PL UNCW 2020-21 Last Place in the CAA Northeastern 21-22 Last Place in the CAA The common denominator- Joe Pridgen, although he's ineligible this year. And played well for both HC and UNCW when he was there. Plus, to add insult to injury- guess who's in first place in the CAA this year? Why, UNCW, of course! Joe's proving that famous comment that Branch Rickey once made to Ralph Kiner when he asked for a raise. "We finished last with you, we can finish last without you". |
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 8, 2022 12:35:15 GMT -5
Eastern went from Rob Murphy (HC at EMU 2012-2021) to Stan Heath, former HC at Kent State, Arkansas, South Florida Here's a more comical item: HC 2019-20  Last Place in the PL UNCW 2020-21 Last Place in the CAA Northeastern 21-22 Last Place in the CAA The common denominator- Joe Pridgen, although he's ineligible this year.  And played well for both HC and UNCW when he was there.  Plus, to add insult to injury- guess who's in first place in the CAA this year?  Why, UNCW, of course! Joe's proving that famous comment that Branch Rickey once made to Ralph Kiner when he asked for a raise.  "We finished last with you, we can finish last without you". Joe P. is turning into another Adrian Gonzalez nicknamed "the Cooler" by Dan Shaughnessy.😊 |
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Post by HC92 on Feb 9, 2022 23:13:46 GMT -5
Met Kit briefly tonight. Seems like a very solid human. He at least gets the importance of pressing the flesh with the handful of loyal HC BBall fans left. He also struck me as someone who would be willing to hear good ideas from fans (within reason) rather than thinking he knows all the answers. Time will tell but I’m optimistic he’ll be very good for us.
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