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Post by hchoops on Jul 21, 2022 8:58:14 GMT -5
Exactly The blame is almost totally on Marcus Blossom who hired Nelson.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 21, 2022 9:05:37 GMT -5
Sorry for piling on but forgot to mention in my prior post that the icing on the cake is he apparently unable to generate any personal loyalty from the players he has recruited which makes his uphill struggle even steeper.
The challenge now is what Kit Hughes will do after this season as I am pretty confident that there won’t be a championship involved to muddy the waters.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 21, 2022 9:19:20 GMT -5
In many respects, I feel badly for Nelson. Not for the excuse some posters posit that he inherited such a bad crop of players from Carmody but because with 20/20 hindsight for some of us but in the opinion of those with greater expertise, he was eminently unqualified for a head coach position at Holy Cross. No head coaching experience and never having to recruit in a high academic environment. Probably started with two strikes against him. He did take a struggling, mediocre program to the depths of D-1 basketball. A good coach can take a mediocre team and make them better. He has not done that. He indeed has taken the team to a level where the sum equals less than the individual parts. My bar is set so low for the coming season that even he has a chance to make it. You need to raise your bar--we can't keep him on the job if he has even a mediocre season
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 21, 2022 9:39:34 GMT -5
😂👍
Let me clarify: my bar is my expectation, not whether we keep him or not.
If memory serves (increasingly unreliable with age), I thought he needed to win or contend last season or be terminated. That didn’t happen presumably for a combination of new AD and concern for $$$$$.
My expectation is about 5 wins because we are going to hear again how “what can we expect, he’s got all new guys who haven’t played together and learning his system (which they’ll all “get” a season or two down the road)”.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 21, 2022 9:43:29 GMT -5
😂👍 Let me clarify: my bar is my expectation, not whether we keep him or not. If memory serves (increasingly unreliable with age), I thought he needed to win or contend last season or be terminated. That didn’t happen presumably for a combination of new AD and concern for $$$$$. My expectation is about 5 wins because we are going to hear again how “what can we expect, he’s got all new guys who haven’t played together and learning his system (which they’ll all “get” a season or two down the road)”. I think we'll only hear that from one or two posters who just cannot admit that they were wrong about Coach Nelson
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Post by hchoops on Jul 21, 2022 13:35:29 GMT -5
Just when you thought that this portal nonsense could not get any worse,…
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Post by mm67 on Jul 21, 2022 13:45:59 GMT -5
More madness? Apparently, the ACC is considering a policy of differentiating league payouts among various member schools. Clemson, FSU and the like would receive larger payouts than other schools in the league. We do not know the likelihood of the league adopting this policy. It is under discussion.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 21, 2022 13:54:06 GMT -5
More madness? Apparently, the ACC is considering a policy of differentiating league payouts among various member schools. Clemson, FSU and the like would receive larger payouts than other schools in the league. We do not know the likelihood of the league adopting this policy. It is under discussion. And the other schools in the league should object to that
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 21, 2022 13:57:03 GMT -5
Exactly The blame is almost totally on Marcus Blossom who hired Nelson. MB is responsible. He hired a mirror image of himself in the sense they were both about the same age, both were over achievers as D-1 basketball players (MB definitely after arriving to NU on an academic scholarship and becoming a key player as a walk on. BN presumably because he achieved way more than most college players) Both worked their way up over many years in college athletics culminating in positions right below the top position at high level institutions. If MB was qualified and ready to take his first leadership position in low D-1 and arrived to praise and fanfare at HC, why wouldn't BN be ready? With the experience of the last few years, I can argue that HC is not an appropriate place for an AD or Head Coach of FB, MBB or WBB to take his or her first command. Unless it's a key lieutenant to a once in a generation coach like Chesney, Willard or Duffner I think it's better to make HC at least the second command for our top leaders.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 21, 2022 14:09:49 GMT -5
More madness? Apparently, the ACC is considering a policy of differentiating league payouts among various member schools. Clemson, FSU and the like would receive larger payouts than other schools in the league. We do not know the likelihood of the league adopting this policy. It is under discussion. If true, desperation move to keep the most attractive schools on board. I've also heard that if a simple majority of schools vote to abolish the 14 year Grant of Rights,that would be gone and a good chunk of the ACC with it
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 21, 2022 14:13:07 GMT -5
More madness? Apparently, the ACC is considering a policy of differentiating league payouts among various member schools. Clemson, FSU and the like would receive larger payouts than other schools in the league. We do not know the likelihood of the league adopting this policy. It is under discussion. If true, desperation move to keep the most attractive schools on board. I've also heard that if a simple majority of schools vote to abolish the 14 year Grant of Rights,that would be gone and a good chunk of the ACC with it If necessary BC could try to slide back into the BE, but where would they go for FB?
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Post by Tom on Jul 21, 2022 14:19:25 GMT -5
Exactly The blame is almost totally on Marcus Blossom who hired Nelson. MB is responsible. He hired a mirror image of himself in the sense they were both about the same age, both were over achievers as D-1 basketball players (MB definitely after arriving to NU on an academic scholarship and becoming a key player as a walk on. BN presumably because he achieved way more than most college players) Both worked their way up over many years in college athletics culminating in positions right below the top position at high level institutions. If MB was qualified and ready to take his first leadership position in low D-1 and arrived to praise and fanfare at HC, why wouldn't BN be ready? With the experience of the last few years, I can argue that HC is not an appropriate place for an AD or Head Coach of FB, MBB or WBB to take his or her first command. Unless it's a key lieutenant to a once in a generation coach like Chesney, Willard or Duffner I think it's better to make HC at least the second command for our top leaders. Funny that you mention Duffner as the type of rare coach that a key lieutenant could handle a head job somewhere. Holy Cross was Coach Duffner's first head coaching gig. But he was a very key lieutenant to Coach Carter
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 21, 2022 16:52:31 GMT -5
MB is responsible. He hired a mirror image of himself in the sense they were both about the same age, both were over achievers as D-1 basketball players (MB definitely after arriving to NU on an academic scholarship and becoming a key player as a walk on. BN presumably because he achieved way more than most college players) Both worked their way up over many years in college athletics culminating in positions right below the top position at high level institutions. If MB was qualified and ready to take his first leadership position in low D-1 and arrived to praise and fanfare at HC, why wouldn't BN be ready? With the experience of the last few years, I can argue that HC is not an appropriate place for an AD or Head Coach of FB, MBB or WBB to take his or her first command. Unless it's a key lieutenant to a once in a generation coach like Chesney, Willard or Duffner I think it's better to make HC at least the second command for our top leaders. Funny that you mention Duffner as the type of rare coach that a key lieutenant could handle a head job somewhere. Holy Cross was Coach Duffner's first head coaching gig. But he was a very key lieutenant to Coach Carter Carter not only turned around HC FB, he spun off two championship coaches from his too brief tenure at Holy Cross: Duffner and Dan Allen in the Yankee Conference. Allen's 1993 "Cinderella Season" at BU was the Terriers only undefeated season at 11-0, 8-0 Yankee Conference. Then they went on defeat Kurt Warner's Northern Iowa Panthers in double overtime in the first round of the 1-AA playoffs. I remember Boston TV stations leading the evening newscasts with a Coach Allen interview from Nickerson Field during those playoffs.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 21, 2022 17:47:33 GMT -5
Not close to a mess-it is a heart breaker and we must make a great/inspirational hire and a healthy investment in the program—create excitement -and build a top level OOC schedule if we are staying in the PL 13 OOC games with 6 top 50 teams on the road and 7 regional favorites with no guaranteed wins scheduled
recruiting will change with a respected coach and a great schedule It's not just a snap of the fingers to create that schedule..This means HC must find 13 schools willing to play us, and that a date will fit into the schools schedule....Not as easy as it seems..It would be a great schedule, if it could be built! I found a site where the non-league schedules of Navy and Colgate were in the top 80. www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/ranking/non-conference-sos-by-other?date=2022-01-10 Shoot for that and go from there.
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Post by Chu Chu on Jul 22, 2022 11:31:14 GMT -5
RANK RECORD RATING HIGH LOW LAST 339 Holy Cross (2-10) -7.7 131 354 339
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Post by trimster on Jul 24, 2022 8:57:32 GMT -5
The D1 council of the NCAA voted to eliminate the sit one rule entirely. It is expected to be ratified by the NCAA next month. Result will be you can transfer as many times as you want w/o sitting one year. It sounds like the NCAA wants to get out of the waiver business due to fear of lawsuits.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 24, 2022 9:55:13 GMT -5
Sometimes the K.I.S.S. rule is the best. Return the money spent on waiver staff and process to the colleges. Some NCAA member schools are hanging on by a thread, but they can't drop NCAA membership because that could be the final nail in the coffin for their survival. Becker and Mt. Ida each had NCAA sports, including FB until the day they folded.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 24, 2022 10:21:05 GMT -5
Just when you thought that things could not get worse. Coaching, especially mid to low majors, just became even a harder job
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jul 25, 2022 11:18:07 GMT -5
😂👍 Let me clarify: my bar is my expectation, not whether we keep him or not. If memory serves (increasingly unreliable with age), I thought he needed to win or contend last season or be terminated. That didn’t happen presumably for a combination of new AD and concern for $$$$$. My expectation is about 5 wins because we are going to hear again how “what can we expect, he’s got all new guys who haven’t played together and learning his system (which they’ll all “get” a season or two down the road)”. I think we'll only hear that from one or two posters who just cannot admit that they were wrong about Coach Nelson Sad to see that some "fans" are so take committed in their feelings about HCBN that they appear to be rooting against HC this year just so they can be right about their take. Sad!
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 25, 2022 11:55:12 GMT -5
So, what’s your bar he has to clear to be considered successful this season? And how low is your bar set for keeping him recognizing only KH and VR will make that decision without input from anyone on Crossports?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 25, 2022 12:02:40 GMT -5
Responding to BBC;
You’re way off base on this one if you are suggesting that I am rooting against Holy Cross this season. I’d like nothing better than to see the Crusaders win 25 games and the PL championship. I’d be the first poster to come to you, hat in hand, and say publicly “you were right, Nelson is a great coach, he just needed time to put out the dumpster fire he inherited and put his grand plan in place. I hope he will be our coach for many seasons to come.”
By the way, you really ought to stop the customary nonsense where you attribute to other posters opinions that they do not hold. It got old a long time ago.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 25, 2022 12:08:05 GMT -5
I second that motion. I want to see the Crusaders succeed. I have a hard time believing under the current head coach that they will.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jul 25, 2022 12:20:53 GMT -5
So, what’s your bar he has to clear to be considered successful this season? And how low is your bar set for keeping him recognizing only KH and VR will make that decision without input from anyone on Crossports? Appearance in pL Championship OR Top 2-3 regular season finish + appearance in pL semifinals + Net positive results from spring transfer/recruiting period
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Post by HC92 on Jul 25, 2022 12:21:12 GMT -5
I do remember some posters admitting to rooting against us when they thought MB was just terrible and had to go. Have to file those under “careful what you wish for.”
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Post by Tom on Jul 25, 2022 12:55:06 GMT -5
So, what’s your bar he has to clear to be considered successful this season? And how low is your bar set for keeping him recognizing only KH and VR will make that decision without input from anyone on Crossports? Appearance in pL Championship OR Top 2-3 regular season finish + appearance in pL semifinals + Net positive results from spring transfer/recruiting period Some may debate whether that bar is too low, but it would indicate movement in the right direction. Also a point must of us would have expected/demanded as a minimum in year four of a coach For a team that hasn't appeared in the quarter-finals in the previous three seasons, I'm not overly optimistic for the prospects of a trip to the semis. And, less there be any confusion, at least in my case, there is a world of difference between not being optimistic at the prospects of winning and not wanting the team to win
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