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Post by mm67 on Mar 14, 2022 14:49:42 GMT -5
The thrill is gone. Screw the transfers. The annual parade of transfers has led to a lessening of interest in college bb and HC bb in particular. IMO the NBA was always a far superior game to watch. Rough & tumble, rivalries more than equal to tobacco road. Instead, of the unending, repetitive March Madness(Great PR) I have moved my interest almost entirely to the great NBA. Purists can sniff about the extra step, uncalled fouls etc but the NBA is a better product in my mind. The NBA has better players, and a far better game without the sanctimonious hypocrisy of student professional athletes who are supposedly giving their all for their school. Can't stand the pimps Dickie V, Bill R hyping bs to further their own incomes ... "Great kids" & all that crap. I realize some will disagree. In their view big time college bball is the epitome but it is not so for me. Different strokes... Enjoy! March Madness was a guilty pleasure at one time but is no more. The NBA playoffs were always far superior. I'll take the NBA playoffs without the hypocrisy any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Now, about those perpetually crappy Knicks...
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Post by hc87 on Mar 14, 2022 14:50:15 GMT -5
We'll see how this all plays out once the "covid years etc" are done and we return to some sense of normalcy with regards to eligibility etc....but I gotta say, it's looking pretty grim moving forward for our level of hoop in the "transfer portal era."
At least we have football....for now.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 14, 2022 14:51:02 GMT -5
For Martindale, Some better conferences than the PL if I recall correctly
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Post by HC92 on Mar 14, 2022 14:51:04 GMT -5
Next year’s roster:
PG: RJJ, Luc SG: Batchelder, Dorsey SF Bo, Lewis PF Gates, Kenney C Rabinovich, Louth
Will update with further additions or subtractions. I recognize the positions are debatable and perhaps there aren’t really 5 different positions anymore but I grouped them this way as it puts two in each group.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 14, 2022 14:54:39 GMT -5
The group that I'm most interested in and would be disappointed about losing is RJJ, Luc, Bo, Kenny, Gates, Louth Dorsey should continue to develop into a nice piece and defensive stopper (at minimum) Add Batchelder to the mix. Go put the new scholarship availability to good use this spring, as Nelson & staff have done the past few years (Gates, Louth, RJJ, Bo, Townsel). Do all of this and we should be cooking with gas next year. I thought Bubba had potential, but there was clearly something off between him and Nelson based on his minutes. Martindale had the most impressive list of offers since...? With three years of eligibility remaining, pretty interesting you're content with him just walking away. I can see him doing well in a program like Colgate...
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Post by timholycross on Mar 14, 2022 14:56:42 GMT -5
Louth, Rabinovich (injury status?), RJJ (injury status?),Lewis (does JM leaving open the door for him to get some minutes),Gates, Montgomery, Luc, Dorsey, Kenney. Oron the walk-on.
Batchelder incoming.
10 scholarship players, including 2 that no one has a clue if they can suit up in 7 months. One that was pretty much nailed to the bench.
What's the max, 13?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 14, 2022 14:58:03 GMT -5
The group that I'm most interested in and would be disappointed about losing is RJJ, Luc, Bo, Kenny, Gates, Louth Dorsey should continue to develop into a nice piece and defensive stopper (at minimum) Add Batchelder to the mix. Go put the new scholarship availability to good use this spring, as Nelson & staff have done the past few years (Gates, Louth, RJJ, Bo, Townsel). Do all of this and we should be cooking with gas next year. I thought Bubba had potential, but there was clearly something off between him and Nelson based on his minutes. Martindale had the most impressive list of offers since...? With three years of eligibility remaining, pretty interesting you're content with him just walking away. I can see him doing well in a program like Colgate... 1) Two weeks ago you were saying he shouldn't have been on the floor 2) Not all recruits pan out C) Only two years of eligibility left at HC, and I would like to see HCBN bring in someone better with the newly available scholarship
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Post by mm67 on Mar 14, 2022 14:58:51 GMT -5
None of these guys were loyal to HC. Let 'em rot.
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Post by dharry13 on Mar 14, 2022 15:01:39 GMT -5
Martindale can't get his shot off. He can't play at a higher level. Simple eye ball test. He should go D2.
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Post by trimster on Mar 14, 2022 15:12:40 GMT -5
Martindale can't get his shot off. He can't play at a higher level. Simple eye ball test. He should go D2. As I watched him more, I thought D2 would be a much better fit for him. Of course, HC isn't that far above D2 and I hardly consider myself to be a hoops expert.
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Post by trimster on Mar 14, 2022 15:18:04 GMT -5
The thrill is gone. Screw the transfers. The annual parade of transfers has led to a lessening of interest in college bb and HC bb in particular. IMO the NBA was always a far superior game to watch. Rough & tumble, rivalries more than equal to tobacco road. Instead, of the unending, repetitive March Madness(Great PR) I have moved my interest almost entirely to the great NBA. Purists can sniff about the extra step, uncalled fouls etc but the NBA is a better product in my mind. The NBA has better players, and a far better game without the sanctimonious hypocrisy of student professional athletes who are supposedly giving their all for their school. Can't stand the pimps Dickie V, Bill R hyping bs to further their own incomes ... "Great kids" & all that crap. I realize some will disagree. In their view big time college bball is the epitome but it is not so for me. Different strokes... Enjoy! March Madness was a guilty pleasure at one time but is no more. The NBA playoffs were always far superior. I'll take the NBA playoffs without the hypocrisy any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Now, about those perpetually crappy Knicks... I like the first weekend of the Dance and after that, not so much unless a Cinderella or two is involved. I just don't get into watching Duke play UNC for the 4th time this year. I did watch last year's final and that was one of the best games I have watched. As far as the NBA goes, it should be superior. They are the best players in the world. I never watch it though.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 14, 2022 15:23:34 GMT -5
Might be easier to just place every D-1 players' name in a hat each year and pass it around, coast to coast, till it's empty. Hard to get too pumped or jacked with what the sport has become.
Since we don't know the story with either Bubba or Jud, might be wise to hold off on any bashing of character. Just my opinion.
No matter how you slice it, though, until slots are filled, it's not good.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 14, 2022 15:24:29 GMT -5
Does anyone recall the quality and quantity of offers JM had coming out of WA? Gardner-Webb, Bucknell, American, BU, Vermont, Fairfield, Q, St. Francis, UNC Greensboro, Manhattan, Cal Poly, UMBC, South Dakota, Cleveland State, Brown . . . all within a 3-4 month span (spring-summer 2019).
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Post by trimster on Mar 14, 2022 15:26:00 GMT -5
I wonder if there still some pretty decent unsigned hs seniors out there due to the Covid year of extra eligibility and coaches relying on the portal to build out their roster. Kids that would have been offered in a normal year perhaps haven't been to date.
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Post by crosspride on Mar 14, 2022 15:28:15 GMT -5
1-2 transfers is about average for college basketball these days. Might even be more than that. I won’t Blame Nelson for this. I have been pro Nelson staying simply because of the mess he inherited and that his recruits have yet to become upperclassmen. That said, if several more his guys transfer out, there’s no reason to keep him. Give the rebuild job to the new coach.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 14, 2022 15:29:18 GMT -5
I wonder if there still some pretty decent unsigned hs seniors out there due to the Covid year of extra eligibility and coaches relying on the portal to build out their roster. Kids that would have been offered in a normal year perhaps haven't been to date. If there are, that's HC's wheelhouse because we can't go after grad transfers. Hopefully the coaches have a rolodex ready to spin. Then the apologists get their no experience excuse back.🙂
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Post by crusader1970 on Mar 14, 2022 15:53:24 GMT -5
Martindale can't get his shot off. He can't play at a higher level. Simple eye ball test. He should go D2. I've watched a lot of DII basketball over the last 10 years and will tell you with confidence that it is a very physical game and the speed of play is often quicker than DI.
Not sure Martindale's game is physical or quick enough to translate to much success at that level.
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Post by crusader1970 on Mar 14, 2022 15:55:58 GMT -5
1-2 transfers is about average for college basketball these days. Might even be more than that. I won’t Blame Nelson for this. I have been pro Nelson staying simply because of the mess he inherited and that his recruits have yet to become upperclassmen. That said, if several more his guys transfer out, there’s no reason to keep him. Give the rebuild job to the new coach. Excellent logic. Completely agree.
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Post by DiMarz on Mar 14, 2022 15:58:49 GMT -5
I think these are 2 players who didn't get the playing time they wanted....
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 14, 2022 16:02:44 GMT -5
I think these are 2 players who didn't get the playing time they wanted.... I often thought that JM got more minutes than his play warranted.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 14, 2022 16:14:18 GMT -5
The thrill is gone. Screw the transfers. The annual parade of transfers has led to a lessening of interest in college bb and HC bb in particular. IMO the NBA was always a far superior game to watch. Rough & tumble, rivalries more than equal to tobacco road. Instead, of the unending, repetitive March Madness(Great PR) I have moved my interest almost entirely to the great NBA. Purists can sniff about the extra step, uncalled fouls etc but the NBA is a better product in my mind. The NBA has better players, and a far better game without the sanctimonious hypocrisy of student professional athletes who are supposedly giving their all for their school. Can't stand the pimps Dickie V, Bill R hyping bs to further their own incomes ... "Great kids" & all that crap. I realize some will disagree. In their view big time college bball is the epitome but it is not so for me. Different strokes... Enjoy! March Madness was a guilty pleasure at one time but is no more. The NBA playoffs were always far superior. I'll take the NBA playoffs without the hypocrisy any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Now, about those perpetually crappy Knicks... I generally agree with your take as it relates to college basketball -- 1-and-done's and transfers have both hurt the product and made it difficult to follow the game because teams are completely different every year. However, I completely disagree with you re: the NBA. The NBA is completely unwatchable, with zero defense, absolutely brutal personalities, and often little effort from the players without the ball. It has basically become a new version of WWF, where all of the drama is built up away from actual basketball and announcers are pure hype men rather than calling games. You couldn't pay me to sit down and watch a full NBA game. My previous interest in college basketball has now bled over to football, and I get drawn into college basketball around the end of conference play in Feb/March - at which point I have to try and learn who the hell plays for each team.
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Post by thecrossisback on Mar 14, 2022 16:14:44 GMT -5
Its just so frustrating it fails more then it works out.
I don't get it. Making me question why bother its just running the game!
It's one thing if you win a championship at the school and then move on.
I swear these players think the bad team weighs down their ability to play well.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 14, 2022 16:20:00 GMT -5
I think these are 2 players who didn't get the playing time they wanted.... I often thought that JM got more minutes than his play warranted. That theory I would have disagreed with until after the Covid break; at that point I had come around to your point of view. Which is a shame, because not having him out there created a paucity of long distance shooting options. But, nevertheless, I thought Nelson played him down the stretch as much as he should have.
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Post by Ray on Mar 14, 2022 16:47:14 GMT -5
None of these guys were loyal to HC. Let 'em rot. Or, put another way, this coaching staff has shown zero ability to actually keep guys on campus once they get here.
I see the UFlorida job opened up. Obviously Nelson isn't a candidate for that opening... but if the guy who gets that job is a friend of his and he gets the chance to go back to his alma mater as #1 assistant... he should take it.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 14, 2022 17:59:29 GMT -5
I think these are 2 players who didn't get the playing time they wanted.... MPG Martingale- 24.1 Humphrey- 18,4
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