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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 22, 2022 17:14:54 GMT -5
Nelson is pretty gutless for not doing any interviews or post-game videos.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 22, 2022 17:16:17 GMT -5
Kit is too green to make a change in season, but it’s gotta be inevitable at this stage. There will be collateral damage and transfers out of the program I'm not sure Hughes sees it as inevitable at all, but unfortunately, there's at least as much risk that players will transfer out if Nelson stays.
I was pretty disappointed by the pre-recorded feature with him shown at half-time. Very vanilla.
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 22, 2022 17:18:56 GMT -5
I just don't get what HC was doing with 23 seconds left and down 3. It looked to me like Dorsey's man collapsed towards the driving JM and that was the time to go for the three ball. A 2 with 6 seconds left isn't all that idea. Sixteen yes, six, no. I've been a practice a few times in the last 3 years, and I have witnessed the team go over what should happen in today's situation..I know that the staff has worked on it, but the players just didn't get it done... |
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Post by hchoops on Jan 22, 2022 17:25:55 GMT -5
Kit is too green to make a change in season, but it’s gotta be inevitable at this stage. There will be collateral damage and transfers out of the program, but this program would be smart to tap into the transfer portal to turn this thing around quicker. Will there be quality student athletes who want to come ? |
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Post by efg72 on Jan 22, 2022 17:27:19 GMT -5
Kit is too green to make a change in season, but it’s gotta be inevitable at this stage. There will be collateral damage and transfers out of the program I'm not sure Hughes sees it as inevitable at all, but unfortunately, there's at least as much risk that players will transfer out if Nelson stays.
I was pretty disappointed by the pre-recorded feature with him shown at half-time. Very vanilla.
this might apply in a year if nothing changes after the final whistle of this season. Kit just arrived, probably nobody in his ear, so I won’t read much into it for now i posted on the CAA thread earlier today The PL is like a weak academic department at each institution. It is to speak and take actions only when the Presidents call on them, and promotion of the league is limited to the weekly highlights and updates during halftime or intermission of games. It is a feel good league designed to make alums and the public think that this is the way college sports should be played with the old definition of a student athlete. Unfortunately, the world has changed, more money is involved, a student athlete is defined differently, and college athletics are no longer pure. For those who started this league as a holding space waiting for inclusion to the Ivy League, they got the holding part right. The rest of us now have a view of what Limbo might be, and for some what that long wait to enter the heavenly gates might do to their soul as they have their spirit broken. again this is about the management of the league and how it fits the narrative of the school presidents and respective boards, nothing to do with individual schools |
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 22, 2022 17:30:16 GMT -5
Lost a winnable game. Too much dependency on Gates. I did not see the game, so maybe you are correct, but one of the main problems on offense for most of the season has been Gates not getting the ball enough.. Gates had his best game in probably . . . forever. I did watch the game. Here's the thing, Gates carried this team but as another poster indicated, he ran out of gas. In most of the game he was able to successfully do his usual 1 on 2 or 1 on 3. He was superman. However, as the game wound down and was nip and tuck, the shots he made through 80%-90% of the game were misses. The guy played 36 minutes and those minutes weren't playing outside the arc. He's a tough kid but he's playing a football game in the arena and is pummeled on every play. That'll wear down almost anyone and it was obvious he was worn down. Martindale had a poor offensive game. Dorsey had his best game. Not enough against what had been the worst team in the league. |
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Post by hchoops on Jan 22, 2022 17:33:44 GMT -5
Both Louth and Humphrey sat BEHIND the bench most of the game. My guess is that they were being disciplined for some reason. Were they dressed ? The box score has Bubba playing 2 minutes Did he play ? Could they be recovering from Covid ? |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 22, 2022 17:34:18 GMT -5
In 28 minutes, Kenny took one shot (missed) had one assist, two blocks, one steal, and committed one foul.
One would think that being out on the floor for 28 minutes there would be more statistics accumulated by accident.
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Post by jkh67 on Jan 22, 2022 17:34:26 GMT -5
I just don't get what HC was doing with 23 seconds left and down 3. It looked to me like Dorsey's man collapsed towards the driving JM and that was the time to go for the three ball. A 2 with 6 seconds left isn't all that idea. Sixteen yes, six, no. I've been a practice a few times in the last 3 years, and I have witnessed the team go over what should happen in today's situation..I know that the staff has worked on it, but the players just didn't get it done... I certainly won't try to defend Nelson, but I think a basic problem is that we don't have nearly enough good athletes, aside from Gates. That being said, it's a young squad and maybe they'll get better with time, but I have my doubts based on what I've seen so far. You can argue that personnel deficiencies are Nelson's fault at this point, but I'm going to guess that HC basketball is an inherently hard sell to high school seniors these days. How many of the regulars on this board would come to Mt. St. James if they were basketball talented high school seniors? I suspect that even a charismatic personality would have big time recruiting problems after the misery of the last decade or so. HC's basketball reputation is in the toilet big time. And the PL affiliation doesn't help. |
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Post by efg72 on Jan 22, 2022 17:37:30 GMT -5
Both Louth and Humphrey sat BEHIND the bench most of the game. My guess is that they were being disciplined for some reason. Were they dressed ? The box score has Bubba playing 2 minutes Did he play ? He played and was pulled/scolded for a baseline drive never returned Unfortunately his standards don’t apply to him |
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Post by jkh67 on Jan 22, 2022 17:41:08 GMT -5
Lost a winnable game. Too much dependency on Gates. I thought Gates was forcing shots coming down the stretch. Either that, or it was Nelson's plan to get the ball to him as much as possible, come hell or high water. Whatever, Bucknell just gave him no room in the lane and his outside shots stopped falling, perhaps due to fatigue. The problem was the lack of consistently reliable other options. |
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Post by hc17 on Jan 22, 2022 17:43:46 GMT -5
Realistically, what is the chance that Nelson is retained after this season? It’s gotta be < 15% at this stage. To clarify my earlier post, I don’t think an in season change is inevitable, but rather a change at the end of the season. Curious to hear what you all think. I think Kit would want to get his own guy through the door and are TPTB really going to interfere if that’s the case? If recall correctly, Pine was hired and Milan was out the door shortly thereafter.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 22, 2022 17:44:48 GMT -5
I've been a practice a few times in the last 3 years, and I have witnessed the team go over what should happen in today's situation..I know that the staff has worked on it, but the players just didn't get it done... I certainly won't try to defend Nelson, but I think a basic problem is that we don't have nearly enough good athletes, aside from Gates. That being said, it's a young squad and maybe they'll get better with time, but I have my doubts based on what I've seen so far. You can argue that personnel deficiencies are Nelson's fault at this point, but I'm going to guess that HC basketball is an inherently hard sell to high school seniors these days. How many of the regulars on this board would come to Mt. St. James if they were basketball talented high school seniors? I suspect that even a charismatic personality would have big time recruiting problems after the misery of the last decade or so. HC's basketball reputation is in the toilet big time. And the PL affiliation doesn't help. We certainly don’t have the talent to play the way Nelson wants to “play” roll out the ball and watch the hard sell is losing and a bunch of competing coaches suggesting he is not going to make you better amen to your comment about the league kit needs to make many decisions asap. And a new league that is in the interest of Holy Cross the PL has done nothing for the school and reduced applications and the yield some blame Ann McDermott, who has a lot to answer for but the bigger problem are the alleged leaders of the school and being in this league |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 22, 2022 17:46:55 GMT -5
Lost a winnable game. Too much dependency on Gates. I thought Gates was forcing shots coming down the stretch. Either that, or it was Nelson's plan to get the ball to him as much as possible, come hell or high water. Whatever, Bucknell just gave him no room in the lane and his outside shots stopped falling, perhaps due to fatigue. The problem was the lack of consistently reliable other options. Agree. In the final 13 minutes, Gates was 1-7 FG and scored just five points. Not taking anything away from him as he was the best player on the floor today, but it’s tough when he’s the only guy for us who is somewhat reliable when it comes to scoring. |
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Post by hchoops on Jan 22, 2022 17:54:49 GMT -5
I certainly won't try to defend Nelson, but I think a basic problem is that we don't have nearly enough good athletes, aside from Gates. That being said, it's a young squad and maybe they'll get better with time, but I have my doubts based on what I've seen so far. You can argue that personnel deficiencies are Nelson's fault at this point, but I'm going to guess that HC basketball is an inherently hard sell to high school seniors these days. How many of the regulars on this board would come to Mt. St. James if they were basketball talented high school seniors? I suspect that even a charismatic personality would have big time recruiting problems after the misery of the last decade or so. HC's basketball reputation is in the toilet big time. And the PL affiliation doesn't help. We certainly don’t have the talent to play the way Nelson wants to “play” roll out the ball and watch the hard sell is losing and a bunch of competing coaches suggesting he is not going to make you better amen to your comment about the league kit needs to make many decisions asap. And a new league that is in the interest of Holy Cross the PL has done nothing for the school and reduced applications and the yield some blame Ann McDermott, who has a lot to answer for but the bigger problem are the alleged leaders of the school and being in this league As many have posted in the past, in hoops the PL has not hurt Colgate, or Bucknell or HC in the past. The PL also has not hurt HC in football. There is no indication that we will leave the PL any time soon. Useless to think otherwise. |
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Post by classof83 on Jan 22, 2022 17:54:49 GMT -5
In my opinion I think it likely that Nelson will be back next year for a few reasons;
1. A second year of dealing with COVID provides an excuse to keep him for another year
2. As i understand it - he is in the 3rd year of a 5 year contract - i can't see HC wanting to pay 2 basketball coach salaries for 2 years.
3. Kit Hughes will have an excuse that he needs a full year to evaluate Nelson-although i think he should probably start putting together a list of replacements if there is not substantial improvement next year.
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Post by bigfan on Jan 22, 2022 17:58:11 GMT -5
We will never recruit quality student athletes as long as we stay in the PL. It's too bad how HC basketball has fallen. We will not see a sellout in the Hart Center until we get better
players and upgrade the schedule. Even the current students do not attend the games like they did back in the days of Potter, Vicens & Perry.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 22, 2022 17:59:58 GMT -5
Did the announcers even once wonder out loud why Louth and Bubba weren't playing?? If no, why even bother having them there?
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Post by HC92 on Jan 22, 2022 18:04:03 GMT -5
Nelson has undoubtedly been dealt a very tough hand for a number of reasons but I just don’t see any reason to believe we’ll ever become a perennial contender for the PL title under his leadership. If Kit agrees, he should move on sooner than later. If the school has to eat an extra year of salary, so be it. HC badly needs some positive momentum. A strong men’s hoop team is probably one of the easier ways to get some.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 22, 2022 18:04:12 GMT -5
Yeah...I'd be pretty shocked if he were fired after this season (for many of the reasons stated above)....no inside info etc, but it wouldn't shock me if he stepped down and takes another P5 assistant job somewhere. He clearly is a "fish out of water" as well as not being ready for a head coaching position.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 22, 2022 18:05:40 GMT -5
Didn’t hear the announcers say anything about Louth or Bubba. Have to assume Louth was hurt or being disciplined. No way it was a basketball decision. Bubba seemingly was disciplined for something during the game. Have to assume it was a mistake he’s made many times and Nelson had finally seen it enough times.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 22, 2022 18:08:20 GMT -5
Highlight of watching the replay was the two close-ups of NAD.
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Post by trimster on Jan 22, 2022 18:11:41 GMT -5
I'm not sure Hughes sees it as inevitable at all, but unfortunately, there's at least as much risk that players will transfer out if Nelson stays.
I was pretty disappointed by the pre-recorded feature with him shown at half-time. Very vanilla.
this might apply in a year if nothing changes after the final whistle of this season. Kit just arrived, probably nobody in his ear, so I won’t read much into it for now i posted on the CAA thread earlier today The PL is like a weak academic department at each institution. It is to speak and take actions only when the Presidents call on them, and promotion of the league is limited to the weekly highlights and updates during halftime or intermission of games. It is a feel good league designed to make alums and the public think that this is the way college sports should be played with the old definition of a student athlete. Unfortunately, the world has changed, more money is involved, a student athlete is defined differently, and college athletics are no longer pure. For those who started this league as a holding space waiting for inclusion to the Ivy League, they got the holding part right. The rest of us now have a view of what Limbo might be, and for some what that long wait to enter the heavenly gates might do to their soul as they have their spirit broken. again this is about the management of the league and how it fits the narrative of the school presidents and respective boards, nothing to do with individual schools Spirit broken is on the money. HC hoops is my one sports passion and has been for close to 60 years and my level of caring these days is about a 2 out of 10. I used to get pumped and jacked for games and now it is, meh. I sometimes wonder if long time fans of our old New England rivals feel bad for us as fans. |
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Post by efg72 on Jan 22, 2022 18:12:44 GMT -5
We certainly don’t have the talent to play the way Nelson wants to “play” roll out the ball and watch the hard sell is losing and a bunch of competing coaches suggesting he is not going to make you better amen to your comment about the league kit needs to make many decisions asap. And a new league that is in the interest of Holy Cross the PL has done nothing for the school and reduced applications and the yield some blame Ann McDermott, who has a lot to answer for but the bigger problem are the alleged leaders of the school and being in this league As many have posted in the past, the PL has not hurt Colgate, or Bucknell or HC in the past. The PL also has not hurt HC in football. There is no indication that we will leave the PL any time soon. Useless to think otherwise. The participation in the league is fine, but the management and leadership do precious little to advance athletics, at best it is silent, and we are a big loser and it kills our past for no guaranteed future. Academies are fine, the Philly region doesn’t want more. However over the last decade Loyola, AU, and Holy Cross have been crushed in admissions numbers. BU and Colgate have not been impacted-imho |
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Post by efg72 on Jan 22, 2022 18:17:20 GMT -5
Nelson has undoubtedly been dealt a very tough hand for a number of reasons but I just don’t see any reason to believe we’ll ever become a perennial contender for the PL title under his leadership. If Kit agrees, he should move on sooner than later. If the school has to eat an extra year of salary, so be it. HC badly needs some positive momentum. A strong men’s hoop team is probably one of the easier ways to get some. 92 he created his own problems with Blossom and our misery |
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