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Post by sader1970 on Jan 23, 2022 7:48:16 GMT -5
Lost a close one yesterday. Gates had a great game, perhaps his best ever, and Dorsey found his offense.
But, we lost to a team who hadn’t won a league game to that point.
So, is there any room for optimism or would that be a fool’s errand?
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Post by hceconhist on Jan 23, 2022 9:01:09 GMT -5
It's tough to answer your question in the affirmative. Right now, as I see it, the only saving grace is that they have only played four PL games. Their is still time to get hot, but I am not holding my breath.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 23, 2022 9:08:58 GMT -5
Great question and one that should be asked with a look at the following and other questions- in no particular order
Is the team play improving Are the players developing Do they practice and play hard Is the team winning games Is the coach building on the history and tradition Is the coach using former players to build support Has the record improved each season Is the coaching staff improving and growing Are the coaches attracting, recruiting, and retaining players Do the players and the team reflect the values of Holy Cross Is the coach engaging with the school community and the people of Worcester
A coach should get a full recruiting cycle to perform unless the team shows little if any improvement or the performance is just unacceptable
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Post by armsue on Jan 23, 2022 12:57:01 GMT -5
Are you being facetious?
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Post by trimster on Jan 23, 2022 14:24:56 GMT -5
Speaking of the trajectory of the program, it would be interesting to know what our former players think of where things are at right now. Buzzword artists would call them stakeholders. I don’t know if they have a voice, literally as well as at the table, if they care and if anyone at the top of the Mount St. James food chain, cares what they think. I would hope the answer is yes to my last two questions.
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 23, 2022 14:25:07 GMT -5
I watch all the games, attend the home games I'm allowed to go to. I have seen this group getting better, the Defense is much more active, double teams, taking charges etc...The offense is not moving along as fast, we don't shoot the ball with enough confidence, and we don't play with reckless abandonment. This will come as some confidence shows up..... The one aspect I notice in all the games (except the D-3 games), is that physically we are smaller than our opponents! Body size, not just height..This leads to us getting pushed around on both ends of the court..IF this group stays together basically, in 2 years or so, our youngsters will look more like men than teenagers....AND we will be doing the pushing!
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 23, 2022 15:05:12 GMT -5
Scoreboard tells a much different story.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 23, 2022 16:10:20 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 23, 2022 16:11:17 GMT -5
Scoreboard tells a much different story. I did not know they posted player weights on the scoreboard.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 23, 2022 18:38:01 GMT -5
Just watched the Tampa - LA game
Worst defensive coaches on TB other than what we see with HC basketball
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 23, 2022 19:26:37 GMT -5
If it was Brady's last game, coming back from 27-3 down was a noble effort. I'm not that high on Ariens.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 23, 2022 20:12:25 GMT -5
Just watched the Tampa - LA game Worst defensive coaches on TB other than what we see with HC basketball Isn't the guy (Todd Bowles; or "Tard Bulls" as Mike Francesa used to pronounce it) up for one of the head coaching openings? That couldn't have helped his chances. Anything in the middle of the field not behind people would have been ok in that situation.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 23, 2022 21:20:24 GMT -5
Like many coaching opportunities retreads often find new life
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 24, 2022 6:10:43 GMT -5
CBN obviously thought little of my suggestion to go with a core 4 of GG, Louth, Bubba and Townsel. My latest request is to pair Dorsey with the group. Insert KL if they struggle offensively.
Several players have had big offensive games this year - GG, Bubba, Bo, Luc.......but I would like to see a game or two where 6-7 guys are getting 8-14 points. To me that would be a sign that things are starting to progress offensively. I don't feel like that has happened yet.
The second half of the PL schedule could really be make or break time. I would imagine ADKH will be watching closely.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 24, 2022 7:36:31 GMT -5
We seem to be getting a bit better as the season goes on (not an unheard of phenomena in basketball). If we could somehow convince the rest of the PL not to do the same we’ll pick up a bunch of wins.
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Post by Tom on Jan 24, 2022 8:27:22 GMT -5
The best practices and best time frame to really grow as a team is over. Once again the student half of the student athlete is back in play with the resumption of classes. We can still see steps forward, but it's harder now to get leaps forward this season. I'm not sure how much that nasty word that infiltrates every thread affected that prime practice window between Christmas and 2nd semester. Reasonable to assume if they lost 3 games, there was some lost practice time too. I'm not expecting any more leaps forward this season.
In terms of the title of the thread, the trajectory of this season has been "up" . Of course, I am enough of a geek to recognize that a 1 degree slope is still going up. On the other hand, the addition of our newcomers, the growth of our returning players, and the growing ability of these 14 individuals to play as a unit has not yet added up to the loss of Butler and Faw. In my opinion, as of today, we are "up" from where we were in November, but "down" from where we were in March
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 24, 2022 9:09:06 GMT -5
We seem to be getting a bit better as the season goes on (not an unheard of phenomena in basketball). If we could somehow convince the rest of the PL not to do the same we’ll pick up a bunch of wins. In the Pomeroy era, we are at our lowest ranking (350 out of 358). Since PL play started for us, we have dropped from 348 to 350. Very hard to do when you're already ranked that low.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 24, 2022 9:11:57 GMT -5
The best practices and best time frame to really grow as a team is over. Once again the student half of the student athlete is back in play with the resumption of classes. We can still see steps forward, but it's harder now to get leaps forward this season. I'm not sure how much that nasty word that infiltrates every thread affected that prime practice window between Christmas and 2nd semester. Reasonable to assume if they lost 3 games, there was some lost practice time too. I'm not expecting any more leaps forward this season. In terms of the title of the thread, the trajectory of this season has been "up" . Of course, I am enough of a geek to recognize that a 1 degree slope is still going up. On the other hand, the addition of our newcomers, the growth of our returning players, and the growing ability of these 14 individuals to play as a unit has not yet added up to the loss of Butler and Faw. In my opinion, as of today, we are "up" from where we were in November, but "down" from where we were in March I'm not really sure about that. Came into the year ranked 322 by Pomeroy and now sit at 350. No matter how you slice it, this has been an unmitigated disaster. In the 2019-20 season, we won three Division 1 games. Will we reach three this season?
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Post by hc17 on Jan 24, 2022 9:25:20 GMT -5
The best practices and best time frame to really grow as a team is over. Once again the student half of the student athlete is back in play with the resumption of classes. We can still see steps forward, but it's harder now to get leaps forward this season. I'm not sure how much that nasty word that infiltrates every thread affected that prime practice window between Christmas and 2nd semester. Reasonable to assume if they lost 3 games, there was some lost practice time too. I'm not expecting any more leaps forward this season. In terms of the title of the thread, the trajectory of this season has been "up" . Of course, I am enough of a geek to recognize that a 1 degree slope is still going up. On the other hand, the addition of our newcomers, the growth of our returning players, and the growing ability of these 14 individuals to play as a unit has not yet added up to the loss of Butler and Faw. In my opinion, as of today, we are "up" from where we were in November, but "down" from where we were in March I'm not really sure about that. Came into the year ranked 322 by Pomeroy and now sit at 350. No matter how you slice it, this has been an unmitigated disaster. In the 2019-20 season, we won three Division 1 games. Will we reach three this season? I've been critical of Carmody, but no matter how you slice it, we have regressed. 4 year average of HC's ranking in Pomeroy's Adj O and Adj D resulted in 284 and 220 in the Carmody era. In Nelson's 3 year stint, the running average has us coming in at 298 and 336 for Adj O and Adj D. Is talent the reason? I gave Nelson the benefit of the doubt early in his tenure, but we're now closing in on 3 years and we're just worse.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 24, 2022 9:40:56 GMT -5
There is a chance for improvement but imho it requires getting the right lineup on the floor. I think we will see improvement in individual play which will look like some trends north, but really hard to tell if performances remain inconsistent.
How about we go for three games with this lineup and see what happens. Louth has got to get floor time- ready or not--and I think it helps us inside and relieves some of the pressure off Gates. He needs to make good plays and mistakes so he learns and gets better. I mentioned earlier that if Dorsey gets more minutes his offense will start to come- not sure I am right but lets see what the next few games show. We are still not a good passing team so we really need him directing some of the offense
Dorsey Humphrey Townsel Gates Louth
Luc Montgomery Martindale Kenney Rabs/Lewis Hart Oron
Would change with RJJ returning but given the information flow there is no sense if that will happen this season
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 24, 2022 9:42:00 GMT -5
I'm going to start lighting candles, maybe a novena, that some P5 school with a past connection to Nelson will make him an assistant position offer so that he can save face for him and $$$ for Holy Cross and resign. It'd be for the best for all involved.
He's been in over his head from day one and he's sinking lower into the depths every passing day. [Hey, does Creighton need an assistant? "We know a guy" in the AD position there who thinks very highly of Nelson]
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Post by trimster on Jan 24, 2022 9:58:42 GMT -5
We seem to be getting a bit better as the season goes on (not an unheard of phenomena in basketball). If we could somehow convince the rest of the PL not to do the same we’ll pick up a bunch of wins. In the Pomeroy era, we are at our lowest ranking (350 out of 358). Since PL play started for us, we have dropped from 348 to 350. Very hard to do when you're already ranked that low. According to Sagarin, 5 of the bottom 41 teams in the USA reside in the PL.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 24, 2022 10:18:35 GMT -5
I'm going to start lighting candles, maybe a novena, that some P5 school with a past connection to Nelson will make him an assistant position offer so that he can save face for him and $$$ for Holy Cross and resign. It'd be for the best for all involved. He's been in over his head from day one and he's sinking lower into the depths every passing day. [Hey, does Creighton need an assistant? "We know a guy" in the AD position there who thinks very highly of Nelson] The candles and prayers might help but SK never got another P-6 assistant position.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 24, 2022 10:32:25 GMT -5
In the Pomeroy era, we are at our lowest ranking (350 out of 358). Since PL play started for us, we have dropped from 348 to 350. Very hard to do when you're already ranked that low. According to Sagarin, 5 of the bottom 41 teams in the USA reside in the PL. HC is the worst team in a horrendous & invisible league. Swell...
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Post by Tom on Jan 24, 2022 11:01:12 GMT -5
I'm going to start lighting candles, maybe a novena, that some P5 school with a past connection to Nelson will make him an assistant position offer so that he can save face for him and $$$ for Holy Cross and resign. It'd be for the best for all involved. He's been in over his head from day one and he's sinking lower into the depths every passing day. [Hey, does Creighton need an assistant? "We know a guy" in the AD position there who thinks very highly of Nelson] The candles and prayers might help but SK never got another P-6 assistant position. He never got another coaching position anywhere. He has had basketball related titles but has never officially been a coach again. I think P6 head coaches are too busy tampering with other D-I's committed players to be tampering with other D-I head coaches looking for assistants. When HC and Coach Nelson part ways (and unless things radically improve, that won't be for him taking a better job), he will likely find his way onto a bench somewhere like Coach Brown did. Until that day comes, no P-6 school is offering him an assistant's job.
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