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Post by crusader1970 on Jan 24, 2022 11:43:02 GMT -5
There is a chance for improvement but imho it requires getting the right lineup on the floor. I think we will see improvement in individual play which will look like some trends north, but really hard to tell if performances remain inconsistent. How about we go for three games with this lineup and see what happens. Louth has got to get floor time- ready or not--and I think it helps us inside and relieves some of the pressure off Gates. He needs to make good plays and mistakes so he learns and gets better. I mentioned earlier that if Dorsey gets more minutes his offense will start to come- not sure I am right but lets see what the next few games show. We are still not a good passing team so we really need him directing some of the offense Dorsey Humphrey Townsel Gates Louth Luc Montgomery Martindale Kenney Rabs/Lewis Hart Oron Would change with RJJ returning but given the information flow there is no sense if that will happen this season Makes sense. Certainly worth a try.
And I would like to add that we should be throwing at teams some 1-3-1 zone and 3/4 court trap looks. While I see our MTM improving, we need to be more unpredictable defensively in order to disrupt our opponent's rhythm.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 24, 2022 11:57:36 GMT -5
There's a mythical cemetery out behind the Hart Center for future advancement of former HC skippers. Was Blaney the last one to get another job as head coach after HC?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 24, 2022 12:31:53 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 24, 2022 12:58:32 GMT -5
Togo coached six years at Framingham State from 1991-97.
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Post by mm67 on Jan 24, 2022 13:03:35 GMT -5
Graveyard of coaches. How many coaches is HC going to fire/let go after relatively short stints? Certainly, the seemingly constant turnover of coaches cannot help HC find a superior read coach. It isimply s not an attractive job. Unrelated. Does HC's unremarkable basketball facility affect recruiting of players in anyway?
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Post by Tom on Jan 24, 2022 13:12:22 GMT -5
There's a mythical cemetery out behind the Hart Center for future advancement of former HC skippers. Was Blaney the last one to get another job as head coach after HC? As pointed out, Coach Raynor went on and coached again, but not on a D-I level. After that, I guess that once the need for an potential immediate step in guy at Louisville was gone, Coach Willard could have found something if he was looking to start over in his mid-60's.. Coach Carmody just plain retired. That really only leaves Coach Kearney, who was such a disaster he couldn't get an assistant coaching gig and Coach Brown. Coach Brown is assistant coaching and being fairly young in a profession that loves retreads, I wouldn't be shocked if he got another gig at some point
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 24, 2022 13:15:09 GMT -5
Graveyard of coaches. How many coaches is HC going to fire/let go after relatively short stints? Certainly, the seemingly constant turnover of coaches cannot help HC find a superior read coach. It isimply s not an attractive job. Unrelated. Does HC's unremarkable basketball facility affect recruiting of players in anyway? The knowledgeable posters say the arena does, yes, but the new training resources of the Luth, player lounge etc., help balance that. HC should be able to attract enough talent for a good coach to win the PL. The Hart hasn't become that much shabbier since HC did win the PL.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 24, 2022 14:26:59 GMT -5
The Hart Arena has recently improved visually with the addition of the new Daktronics video boards, ribbons, scoreboards and video tables.
Unfortunately additional chair back seats were not added with the renovation 5 years ago, due to severely constricting capacity. It became very difficult to change the configuration with the 1981 addition of the pool, racquetballs courts and rowing tank to the complex, since the south side of the arena could not be changed.
Granted, the Hart Center regarding aesthetics, cosmetics and functionality was neglected from 1990 until 2016, however the most recent renovation has really improved the building for basketball. New arenas currently under construction, for example Fairfield University are of similar capacity as the Hart Arena. The same is true for Qunnipiac’s complex built 15 years ago. Both of those institutions have a higher enrollment than HC.
For those that continue to be hyper critical of the current arena, I suggest that you scan the various arenas of the non P6 conferences that are available on a nightly basis on ESPN+, as well as review the facilities that are shown on the schools athletic sites. You may be surprised that the Hart Arena is not the impediment to the basketball team’s performance.
Granted we all know a rebuilt is needed to the hockey rink, but that will require major structural changes that will probably be north of $20 million.
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Post by mm67 on Jan 24, 2022 14:31:39 GMT -5
The Hart Arena has recently improved visually with the addition of the new Daktronics video boards, ribbons, scoreboards and video tables. Unfortunately additional chair back seats were not added with the renovation 5 years ago, due to severely constricting capacity. It became very difficult to change the configuration with the 1981 addition of the pool, racquetballs courts and rowing tank to the complex, since the south side of the arena could not be changed. Granted, the Hart Center regarding aesthetics, cosmetics and functionality was neglected from 1990 until 2016, however the most recent renovation has really improved the building for basketball. New arenas currently under construction, for example Fairfield University are of similar capacity as the Hart Arena. The same is true for Qunnipiac’s complex built 15 years ago. Both of those institutions have a higher enrollment than HC. For those that continue to be hyper critical of the current arena, I suggest that you scan the various arenas of the non P6 conferences that are available on a nightly basis on ESPN+, as well as review the facilities that are shown on the schools athletic sites. You may be surprised that the Hart Arena is not the impediment to the basketball team’s performance. Granted we all know a rebuilt is needed to the hockey rink, but that will require major structural changes that will probably be north of $20 million. Why not major structural changes to improve seating and the look of the Hart, too? Sorry, but to this observer the Hart with its roll-up stands continues to have the aura of a high school gym. And, given the trend in sports, that may not be such a bad thing after all.
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Post by gks on Jan 24, 2022 15:01:30 GMT -5
The Hart Arena has recently improved visually with the addition of the new Daktronics video boards, ribbons, scoreboards and video tables. Unfortunately additional chair back seats were not added with the renovation 5 years ago, due to severely constricting capacity. It became very difficult to change the configuration with the 1981 addition of the pool, racquetballs courts and rowing tank to the complex, since the south side of the arena could not be changed. Granted, the Hart Center regarding aesthetics, cosmetics and functionality was neglected from 1990 until 2016, however the most recent renovation has really improved the building for basketball. New arenas currently under construction, for example Fairfield University are of similar capacity as the Hart Arena. The same is true for Qunnipiac’s complex built 15 years ago. Both of those institutions have a higher enrollment than HC. For those that continue to be hyper critical of the current arena, I suggest that you scan the various arenas of the non P6 conferences that are available on a nightly basis on ESPN+, as well as review the facilities that are shown on the schools athletic sites. You may be surprised that the Hart Arena is not the impediment to the basketball team’s performance. Granted we all know a rebuilt is needed to the hockey rink, but that will require major structural changes that will probably be north of $20 million. Why not major structural changes to improve seating and the look of the Hart, too? Sorry, but to this observer the Hart with its roll-up stands continues to have the aura of a high school gym. And, given the trend in sports, that may not be such a bad thing after all. You can add gold-plated seats and a floor made of platinum. You're still not getting recruits. It's just too tough in hoops.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 24, 2022 15:07:07 GMT -5
Three impediments were in the way regarding structure changes to the Hart Arena......time, cost and another nearby facility. Structure change would have required demolition of the north wall of the arena, as well as a new roof for that section of the building.
If you remember the renovation to the arena had to completed between the end of the 2015-2016 season and the beginning of the 2016-2017 season. There was something that unexpectedly got in the way, that delayed that part of the project for a couple of weeks. 😊
Cost was another factor that would have added several million to the Luth project. Another was a alternative game day facility for the 2016-2017 season that could accommodate both the men’s and women’s schedules.
Regarding roll up stands, for example the lower tier of Quinnipiac’s relatively new arena has roll up stands that are chair backs. If you take a look at the majority of non P6 facilities, the stands are roll up stands as well. This is not apparent while occupied, but if you see the arenas post game, or doing practice, you will see lower tiers of their arenas are rolled back. Even some P6 arenas that were built in the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s because of their original structure do not have a lower concrete bowl.
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Post by Tom on Jan 24, 2022 15:16:03 GMT -5
Graveyard of coaches. How many coaches is HC going to fire/let go after relatively short stints? Certainly, the seemingly constant turnover of coaches cannot help HC find a superior read coach. It isimply s not an attractive job. Unrelated. Does HC's unremarkable basketball facility affect recruiting of players in anyway? The knowledgeable posters say the arena does, yes, but the new training resources of the Luth, player lounge etc., help balance that. HC should be able to attract enough talent for a good coach to win the PL. The Hart hasn't become that much shabbier since HC did win the PL. Having been to most of the D-I gyms in New England, I will say that remarkable gyms are in the minority. I have been to PL foes Lafayette and Army. Also unremarkable basketball facilities. I'm not a high school kid, so maybe I don't know what they're looking for, but to my eyes, there is nothing wrong with Hart compared to most of our peer institutions. I'm not sure why a player would care about the stuff we gripe about. Six years ago, it was said the locker room was an embarrassment. I could see that being an obstacle way bigger than whether the bleachers roll in and out
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Post by hc17 on Jan 24, 2022 15:33:08 GMT -5
Put a worthy product on the floor and then worry about further upgrades. For our level, I'd imagine our facilities rank quite well and I don't think it hinders our ability to recruit. Playing in an over-sized Fitton hasn't hurt Football's ability to attract recruits.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 24, 2022 15:42:44 GMT -5
There's a mythical cemetery out behind the Hart Center for future advancement of former HC skippers. Was Blaney the last one to get another job as head coach after HC? As pointed out, Coach Raynor went on and coached again, but not on a D-I level. After that, I guess that once the need for an potential immediate step in guy at Louisville was gone, Coach Willard could have found something if he was looking to start over in his mid-60's.. Coach Carmody just plain retired. That really only leaves Coach Kearney, who was such a disaster he couldn't get an assistant coaching gig and Coach Brown. Coach Brown is assistant coaching and being fairly young in a profession that loves retreads, I wouldn't be shocked if he got another gig at some point Don't forget Jack Donahue, he landed on his feet in the Great White North. Kind of planned his exit to point towards the international game, quite frankly.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 24, 2022 15:49:28 GMT -5
The knowledgeable posters say the arena does, yes, but the new training resources of the Luth, player lounge etc., help balance that. HC should be able to attract enough talent for a good coach to win the PL. The Hart hasn't become that much shabbier since HC did win the PL. Having been to most of the D-I gyms in New England, I will say that remarkable gyms are in the minority. I have been to PL foes Lafayette and Army. Also unremarkable basketball facilities. I'm not a high school kid, so maybe I don't know what they're looking for, but to my eyes, there is nothing wrong with Hart compared to most of our peer institutions. I'm not sure why a player would care about the stuff we gripe about. Six years ago, it was said the locker room was an embarrassment. I could see that being an obstacle way bigger than whether the bleachers roll in and out The Roof went from straight bleachers to chairs (retractable). Cut the capacity because there's less rows, but it's a nice place to watch a ballgame these days. Their capacity is 1,800; when it was just bleachers it wasn't as large as the Hart Center. My guess is doing the same thing at Holy Cross (sidelines, not end zones) would make the capacity slightly over 2k.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 24, 2022 15:50:49 GMT -5
Put a worthy product on the floor and then worry about further upgrades. For our level, I'd imagine our facilities rank quite well and I don't think it hinders our ability to recruit. Playing in an over-sized Fitton hasn't hurt Football's ability to attract recruits. Yes, my comment was meant to say what they could do w/the place, but it's nowhere near the problem currently, as you state. There are other options as well if the team ever got any good, of course.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 24, 2022 15:51:32 GMT -5
HC has cover to reduce capacity now that they stream every game live and have and always have had the DCU in the small chance that HC pulls off a Final Four run that electrifies the region like the PC and UMass runs did.
Some arenas now have chairback roll away stands which don't look forced or out of place.
UMass has an arena to die for but they can't seem to recapture the Coach Cal "Refuse to Lose" phenomenon even though they have been through as many coaches as Holy Cross has.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 24, 2022 17:02:55 GMT -5
So, with all the griping about the Hart Arena....What school with an enrollment under 5,000 students has a basketball facility that you believe is better on campus facility than the Hart Arena, along with the Blaney Gym for practice and the Palazzi Basketball Film room? Also remember the basketball coaches suite in your evaluation. Also you can add non P6 that have a larger enrollment. Unfortunately you can’t count Agganis Arena in the evaluation since BU only uses it for men’s hockey.
Please review their athletic facilities and provide a link and why it is vastly superior to the Hart complex. It would be interesting to hear one’s objective reason.
Maybe next year, the new convocation center under construction at Fairfield will meet that criteria. Even so, their current basketball practice facility will still be across the road..
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Post by trimster on Jan 24, 2022 17:08:47 GMT -5
Three impediments were in the way regarding structure changes to the Hart Arena......time, cost and another nearby facility. Structure change would have required demolition of the north wall of the arena, as well as a new roof for that section of the building. If you remember the renovation to the arena had to completed between the end of the 2015-2016 season and the beginning of the 2016-2017 season. There was something that unexpectedly got in the way, that delayed that part of the project for a couple of weeks. 😊 Cost was another factor that would have added several million to the Luth project. Another was a alternative game day facility for the 2016-2017 season that could accommodate both the men’s and women’s schedules. Regarding roll up stands, for example the lower tier of Quinnipiac’s relatively new arena has roll up stands that are chair backs. If you take a look at the majority of non P6 facilities, the stands are roll up stands as well. This is not apparent while occupied, but if you see the arenas post game, or doing practice, you will see lower tiers of their arenas are rolled back. Even some P6 arenas that were built in the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s because of their original structure do not have a lower concrete bowl. The problem for HC is for the last few years, crowds at our games look like pre-game crowds throughout the game. The gym at St. John's High in Shrewsbury could probably accommodate our attendance. Something has to change to turn the current depressing look at games around.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 24, 2022 17:41:31 GMT -5
Winning changes things fast- no more time to waste
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Post by efg72 on Jan 24, 2022 18:23:49 GMT -5
If I was Kit I would meet with Nelson and say 7-11 - regular season or I am making a change
You are on the clock
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 24, 2022 18:37:21 GMT -5
7-11 this year would get Nelson a statue.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 24, 2022 18:45:19 GMT -5
Which he owes the school This is a s show and it must end
We have more excuses than the church has saints and whatever small band of supporters we might be we need to scream
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Post by thecrossisback on Jan 24, 2022 18:51:59 GMT -5
Winning changes things fast- no more time to waste There is is absolutely no signs that this will be the case. What beat Lafayette again.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 24, 2022 18:54:17 GMT -5
Well you win now or we remove the coach and begin again- easy formula
i would call it a day now but that is a call for KH
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