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Post by hcpride on Jan 26, 2022 3:32:00 GMT -5
This popped up on my screen - we sometimes discuss/guess the size of the paycheck: Central Michigan will host Bucknell at Kelly/Shorts Stadium in Mount Pleasant, Mich., on Saturday, Sept. 17, 2022. The Chippewas will pay the Bison a $350,000 guarantee for playing the game, according to the copy of the contract. fbschedules.com/central-michigan-adds-bucknell-to-2022-football-schedule/amp/(Central Michigan and Buffalo are both in the MAC) |
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Post by timholycross on Jan 26, 2022 7:03:55 GMT -5
Is HC getting close to that for shuffling off to Buffalo?
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Post by hcpride on Jan 26, 2022 7:30:10 GMT -5
That was my uninformed guess (in both cases it is a PL v MAC road game).
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Post by alum on Jan 26, 2022 8:32:36 GMT -5
A bit of quick research says that Buffalo averaged 16417 fans per game in prepandemic 2019. It looks like single game tickets are $30 so they can expect to generate about $500,000 max per game in paid attendance, knowing that there are probably special packages that reduce this amount. Central Michigan's attendance figures were quite similar but their cost was actually lower ($15 for kids, $23 for adults.)
I know that there is concession revenue, etc., but there are also game day expenses. I have to think paying $350,000 eats up most of the profit.
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 26, 2022 10:27:55 GMT -5
The Bison were the worst PL team this past season (they lost to GU at home!) - this game will be a 'stay healthy and grab the check' on the way to the airport
i recall our payday for the Buffalo game is also in the same range of $350, - 400,000
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Post by hcpride on Jan 26, 2022 10:43:02 GMT -5
Fordham's also playing a MAC team (Ohio) so perhaps this is the beginning of a nice PL v MAC rivalry.  |
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 26, 2022 13:34:32 GMT -5
At $475K, HC got a lot more per mile traveled to E. Hartford than Bucknell is getting. And it's all highway miles on three interstates to "the Rent."
Three short interstate hops to Amherst, too. Let's go Kit. You are a Mass. native, let's schedule our State U. while we're good. The logic is inescapable.
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 26, 2022 13:48:10 GMT -5
except that UMass does not pay for fcs visitors - with crowds of 8-12000, they can't afford it
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Post by hc87 on Jan 26, 2022 14:35:31 GMT -5
Said this in another thread, but if we do schedule another MAC school soon, I hope it's Miami(Ohio)....good school, lot of football history etc.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 26, 2022 14:45:38 GMT -5
If they pay HC to travel, I am all for that.  |
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 26, 2022 15:53:40 GMT -5
Gotta wait for Brekke to finish his grad student/football at Miami. He said he doesn't want to play against Holy Cross. Why do you think he changed his mind about Buffalo? |
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 27, 2022 0:00:23 GMT -5
except that UMass does not pay for fcs visitors - with crowds of 8-12000, they can't afford it Then UMass can come to Fitton or Polar. They need twelve OOC games a year. We only need five and have many traditional opponents. |
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Post by thecrossisback on Jan 27, 2022 7:32:58 GMT -5
except that UMass does not pay for fcs visitors - with crowds of 8-12000, they can't afford it Then UMass can come to Fitton or Polar. They need twelve OOC games a year. We only need five and have many traditional opponents. The crowd would be bigger if Umass came to Fitton! Plus we would destroy them. |
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Post by mm67 on Jan 27, 2022 8:26:10 GMT -5
UMass is a natural. In the past HC was Div I, UMass Div II and we "stepped down" to play them. One of those UMass teams had future NFLers Greg Landry,QB;
Milt Morin,TE and others. Of course that team kicked our butt. But the band was great. Don't know if a long term series of games is possible.
It seems to be that the gods of football have destroyed many rivalries. and attendance is down at many lower level games,These rivalry games are a draw, would increase interest and maybe increase overall attendance for other games, too. Dress these games up - Throwback Saturday, etc. Work it.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 27, 2022 9:05:24 GMT -5
Then UMass can come to Fitton or Polar. They need twelve OOC games a year. We only need five and have many traditional opponents. The crowd would be bigger if Umass came to Fitton! Plus we would destroy them. The UMass schedule next year is not that bad all things considered: 09/03 – at Tulane 09/10 – at Toledo 09/17 – Stony Brook 09/24 – at Temple 10/01 – at Eastern Michigan 10/08 – Liberty 10/15 – Buffalo 10/22 – OFF 10/29 – New Mexico State 11/05 – at UConn 11/12 – at Arkansas State 11/19 – at Texas A&M 11/26 – Army |
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Post by HC92 on Jan 27, 2022 10:20:03 GMT -5
except that UMass does not pay for fcs visitors - with crowds of 8-12000, they can't afford it Wish CT exercised this type of fiscal discipline. |
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Post by HC92 on Jan 27, 2022 10:25:10 GMT -5
The crowd would be bigger if Umass came to Fitton! Plus we would destroy them. The UMass schedule next year is not that bad all things considered: 09/03 – at Tulane 09/10 – at Toledo 09/17 – Stony Brook 09/24 – at Temple 10/01 – at Eastern Michigan 10/08 – Liberty 10/15 – Buffalo 10/22 – OFF 10/29 – New Mexico State 11/05 – at UConn 11/12 – at Arkansas State 11/19 – at Texas A&M 11/26 – Army Not bad from a football perspective for them. Terrible from a fan interest perspective. There is not a game any UMass fan could really get excited about until UConn ant that’s only because UConn is terrible and local. Texas A&M is a good name and will generate interest except they’ll lose 75-0 and it’s on the road. Home against Army is good but it’ll be freezing, it’s Thanksgiving weekend and no one will be paying attention at the point. |
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Post by hc87 on Jan 27, 2022 13:21:26 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a complete mish-mosh of mostly other G5 FBS programs. I think that level, particularly in the Northeast (aside from maybe the service academies), is probably the toughest overall to generate a winning program, support, fan interest etc.
It won't happen ovah night, but I think we'll see in the not too distant future, a college football world with the P5 (and a scattering of now G5 schools) forming their own level and the remaining G5 and FCS schools forming the next level down from that one.
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Post by beaven302 on Jan 27, 2022 17:46:21 GMT -5
If they pay HC to travel, I am all for that.  Count me in on a game against Miami, a good school with a real football history. A game at Buffalo gives me the creeps. A 35-3 defeat there was the worst loss of the 1966 season |
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 27, 2022 17:51:42 GMT -5
If they pay HC to travel, I am all for that. Count me in on a game against Miami, a good school with a real football history. A game at Buffalo gives me the creeps. A 35-3 defeat there was the worst loss of the 1966 season I remember that game well. It came right after our loss to Syracuse. HC also beat Buffalo pretty soundly at Fitton the year before. It was the worst loss of that 1966 season.  Time to seek revenge??? |
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 27, 2022 18:55:34 GMT -5
Count me in on a game against Miami, a good school with a real football history. A game at Buffalo gives me the creeps. A 35-3 defeat there was the worst loss of the 1966 season I remember that game well. It came rightafte r our loss to Syracuse. HC also beat Buffalo pretty soundly at Fitton the year before. It was the worst loss of that 1966 season.  Time to seek revenge??? 56 years makes the revenge even sweeter. 1966 in Buffalo - Cookie Gilchrist and Jack Kemp. One of America's best pro football towns. |
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Post by breezy on Jan 27, 2022 19:02:15 GMT -5
UMass is a natural. In the past HC was Div I, UMass Div II and we "stepped down" to play them. One of those UMass teams had future NFLers Greg Landry,QB; Milt Morin,TE and others. Of course that team kicked our butt. But the band was great. Don't know if a long term series of games is possible. It seems to be that the gods of football have destroyed many rivalries. and attendance is down at many lower level games,These rivalry games are a draw, would increase interest and maybe increase overall attendance for other games, too. Dress these games up - Throwback Saturday, etc. Work it. I have a distinct recollection of the 1966 game against UMass at Fitton Field. Greg Landry was the UMass QB. Holy Cross held a 16-0 lead, but in the 4th quarter, Landry led the Minutemen down the field for a touchdown and a 2-point conversion to make the score 16-8. Then he led another drive down the field for another touchdown. Fortunately, for HC, the two-point conversion attempt failed and HC emerged with a 16-14 win. (From a review of the HC records, it seems this was one week after the bad loss at Buffalo.) |
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 27, 2022 19:06:56 GMT -5
I love recalling and rehashing games from what was my senior year and my last semester covering the Crusaders for the Crusader. |
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Post by gerry on Jan 27, 2022 19:19:17 GMT -5
Army, Navy, UMass, UConn, Temple, and Buffalo should form an alliance in football. It would help control travel expenses and would give the schools a little more clarity with scheduling while giving them flexibility to add challenge games, FCS, and winnable FBS games to round out the dockets. Navy would have to leave the AAC for football and the A-10 would need to add Buffalo and Temple for all other sports for it to happen. Navy has basically no ability to play any P5 teams other than ND given their conference schedule, annual games with Army, Air Force, and ND, and an FCS opponent. I have to think that schedule has gotten stale for Navy fans. Temple's small fanbase would sacrifice what little prestige the deteriorating AAC provides if it meant rejoining the A-10, or ideally the Big East (though Nova would never allow that). Buffalo would be joining a superior basketball league if the A-10 added them, though Bona is already in that region. Would never happen, but would be the best case scenario for UMass, UConn, and to a lesser extent Temple to continue this seemingly dead end FBS road.
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Post by mm67 on Jan 27, 2022 19:30:46 GMT -5
Our game, my senior year, against UMass was a great win.(TBT, I forgot.)
But, if memory serves (which is always a gamble) UMass had beaten HC fairly decisively in my earlier years at HC. (not sure of the score)
And their band was great.
"66 was a memorable season with the victory against BC the cherry on top.
However, since that time there have been so many great teams providing many memorable moments right down to Coach Chesney's current football teams.
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