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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 27, 2022 22:16:45 GMT -5
Note: Kit isn't making more than Nelson. Hughes made 137,900 in 2019 at Bowling Green. Let's say Holy Cross doubled his salary, that would be 275,800. Nelson is getting paid around that much
I would doubt Kit has the ability to straight up fire Nelson as I think it would have to be approved by the president.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 27, 2022 22:25:09 GMT -5
I am speculating !!!!
Vince is looking at those over 50 and are basketball and football fans, looking at pulling dollars from estate planning, and willing to make investments to bring success and big dollars in return for the school.
He is on a mission, doing his due diligence, and is prepared to change the world of HC athletics.
Next stop???
i am on board on a very cold Thursday night in the DC area
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 27, 2022 22:30:04 GMT -5
Note: Kit isn't making more than Nelson. Hughes made 137,900 in 2019 at Bowling Green. Let's say Holy Cross doubled his salary, that would be 275,800. Nelson is getting paid around that much I would doubt Kit has the ability to straight up fire Nelson as I think it would have to be approved by the president. Why would you have to double someone's salary to attract an untested rookie? How about a 20% increase and incentives. Athletics are so measurable there are numerous opportunities to tie the institutional mission to AD compensation. -Won/loss records -improvement in winning percentage -ticket, sponsor, concession and ad revenue -graduation rate -coaches completing their contracts without buy out -retention of players -attendance -community service hours -CAF contributions -swag sales
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 27, 2022 22:31:17 GMT -5
Note: Kit isn't making more than Nelson. Hughes made 137,900 in 2019 at Bowling Green. Let's say Holy Cross doubled his salary, that would be 275,800. Nelson is getting paid around that much I would doubt Kit has the ability to straight up fire Nelson as I think it would have to be approved by the president. Why would you have to double someone's salary to attract an untested rookie? How about a 20% increase and incentives. Athletics are so measurable there are numerous opportunities to tie the institutional mission to AD compensation. -Won/loss records -improvement in winning percentage -ticket, sponsor, concession and ad revenue -graduation rate -coaches completing their contracts without buy out -retention of players -attendance -community service hours -CAF contributions -swag sales I was just guessing that let's say Holy Cross doubled Kit's salary...I doubt they did but Nelson has to be in that range.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 27, 2022 22:39:08 GMT -5
I have absolutely no doubt that Kit would need the concurrence of Vince to fire any coach including the basketball coach.
I also have have no doubt that Kit would not make this recommendation unless he had a strong case. Like 3 successive catastrophic seasons. If that is what transpires as it looks like it's heading and Kit does make this recommendation and Vince disapproves this, then Kit should read the tea leaves and look immediately for his next position because it would mean that the president does not think highly enough of him to take his advice on a matter that he has more expertise than the president.
in a multi-million dollar budget organization, as highly compensated as Nelson is, a pay off of his contract in the big scheme of things is relatively small. It's not the dollars, it's the intangibles. Alumni and fan discontent, the perception of a loser institution, and a reputation of "the gang that couldn't shoot straight," rather than a elite college that strives to excel in all things.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 27, 2022 22:49:30 GMT -5
Note: Kit isn't making more than Nelson. Hughes made 137,900 in 2019 at Bowling Green. Let's say Holy Cross doubled his salary, that would be 275,800. Nelson is getting paid around that much I would doubt Kit has the ability to straight up fire Nelson as I think it would have to be approved by the president. A good leader hires,pays and retains the best talent. Comparing comp is never a factor, and if it is you aren’t a leader. A leader is only a leader when people follow and respond
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Post by efg72 on Jan 27, 2022 22:55:21 GMT -5
Note: Kit isn't making more than Nelson. Hughes made 137,900 in 2019 at Bowling Green. Let's say Holy Cross doubled his salary, that would be 275,800. Nelson is getting paid around that much I would doubt Kit has the ability to straight up fire Nelson as I think it would have to be approved by the president. Why would you have to double someone's salary to attract an untested rookie? How about a 20% increase and incentives. Athletics are so measurable there are numerous opportunities to tie the institutional mission to AD compensation. -Won/loss records -improvement in winning percentage -ticket, sponsor, concession and ad revenue -graduation rate -coaches completing their contracts without buy out -retention of players -attendance -community service hours -CAF contributions -swag sales If I could sign a Chesney type, or a legitimate D1 HC, I would pay up to 600k plus bonuses/incentives for another 300k- same to Chesney btw pay for performance i would require the CAF dollars to go into an investment fund to provide for excellence in future HC athletic efforts
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 27, 2022 23:07:15 GMT -5
I have absolutely no doubt that Kit would need the concurrence of Vince to fire any coach including the basketball coach. I also have have no doubt that Kit would not make this recommendation unless he had a strong case. Like 3 successive catastrophic seasons. If that is what transpires as it looks like it's heading and Kit does make this recommendation and Vince disapproves this, then Kit should read the tea leaves and look immediately for his next position because it would mean that the president does not think highly enough of him to take his advice on a matter that he has more expertise than the president. in a multi-million dollar budget organization, as highly compensated as Nelson is, a pay off of his contract in the big scheme of things is relatively small. It's not the dollars, it's the intangibles. Alumni and fan discontent, the perception of a loser institution, and a reputation of "the gang that couldn't shoot straight," rather than a elite college that strives to excel in all things. Vince: "I'll give you $100,000 to hire a veteran head coach as an advisor to BN next year. That will give you a chance to cut your teeth on making an important basketball hire on a one year contract. We expect you to facilitate the advisor and coach working well together and improving our product, so do your prep work before you sign the contract to make sure everyone is on the same page." Kit: "I'm giving you notice I'll soon be giving my notice as you have disrespected me!" Whom is working for whom? Or who is working for who? Whichever is correct.
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Post by alumni111 on Jan 27, 2022 23:57:20 GMT -5
Most encouraging thing I've read is the PVR, ADKH, and many trustees (including Bill Doran, hopefully) were in D.C. for the American fiasco. They need to see with their own eyes, talk with fellow witnesses, and do what's best for the kids currently in the program. They've committed to HC, and HC should commit to them by providing a basketball program on a par with the education they receive off-court. With the right coach, a program can turn quickly these days. I believe that program leader is out there somewhere. What Willard accomplished and built can be done again.
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Post by hceconhist on Jan 28, 2022 0:19:11 GMT -5
I have absolutely no doubt that Kit would need the concurrence of Vince to fire any coach including the basketball coach. I also have have no doubt that Kit would not make this recommendation unless he had a strong case. Like 3 successive catastrophic seasons. If that is what transpires as it looks like it's heading and Kit does make this recommendation and Vince disapproves this, then Kit should read the tea leaves and look immediately for his next position because it would mean that the president does not think highly enough of him to take his advice on a matter that he has more expertise than the president. in a multi-million dollar budget organization, as highly compensated as Nelson is, a pay off of his contract in the big scheme of things is relatively small. It's not the dollars, it's the intangibles. Alumni and fan discontent, the perception of a loser institution, and a reputation of "the gang that couldn't shoot straight," rather than a elite college that strives to excel in all things. Vince: "I'll give you $100,000 to hire a veteran head coach as an advisor to BN next year. That will give you a chance to cut your teeth on making an important basketball hire on a one year contract. We expect you to facilitate the advisor and coach working well together and improving our product, so do your prep work before you sign the contract to make sure everyone is on the same page." Kit: "I'm giving you notice I'll soon be giving my notice as you have disrespected me!" Whom is working for whom? Or who is working for who? Whichever is correct. Under that scenario, that would 100% be the right response from Kit. Those arrangements only work if the head coach recommends it and hand picks the advisor.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 28, 2022 0:40:44 GMT -5
I'm sure you're right but why would BN reject a life raft as he is floundering in the ocean? It would mean he preferred getting fired to staying and trying to make it work. If that's the case the strategy of supporting him with additional resources is dead in the water. BN said his values were aligned with Kit's values and would surely be given the opportunity to agree on the individual selected. If he did actually reject help the cord would have to be cut.
To me it would be a choice between having a chance to turn around your first and maybe only D-1 head coaching opportunity (SK never even got an assistant's job after HC) and ending your head coaching tenure as an epic failure. It would seem to be an easy choice.
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Post by alum on Jan 28, 2022 6:23:15 GMT -5
If there is change made at the top, the search firm should consist of 5 former players and perhaps Ralph if he is interested. Let them rank the candidates and turn it over to KH and VR. [/quotaround Maybe VR sent KH to DC as a fact finding trip for KH's report expected on VR's desk this week on how he can help BN turn this thing around before HC has to dig deep and send BN packing. That would be a President who will require an AD to make a thorough sound case before eating salary. Not the same approach as UConn who managed to lose $47 million in the Athletic Dept in the most recent reporting year, plus another $11 million last week. According to his Twitter, VR was at the AU game, too
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Post by HC92 on Jan 28, 2022 7:58:51 GMT -5
One interesting thing about this situation is that a new coach would have to believe that either: 1) he can win with the current roster which will be largely unchanged next year or 2) enough will leave at the end of the semester to start bringing in his own guys more quickly to begin the rebuild. I hear great things about Batchelder so it would be good if we can act quickly and give the new coach a strong opportunity to retain him. Feel badly for Batchelder who has to be having a lot of uncertainty about what next year will bring for him. While I think the plan was for Gates to come back next year, you have to wonder where his head is as well. He’s not currently getting a lot of help out there.
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Post by Tom on Jan 28, 2022 9:02:26 GMT -5
While I think the plan was for Gates to come back next year, you have to wonder where his head is as well. He’s not currently getting a lot of help out there. Gates walked in the door with an academic plan to graduate in three years. Although it is possible, it isn't always easy to graduate a year early. The later you decide to try, the harder it is. If Gates decided to leave prior to graduation he would have to sit for a year. We have learned from Joe Pridgen that the free pass all transfers got to play last year counts towards the one free move the NCAA later put in
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Post by trimster on Jan 28, 2022 9:30:40 GMT -5
Kit and to a lesser extent, Prez VR, are still getting their feet wet both at HC as well as being the top dog in an athletic department and college president. It wouldn’t surprise me if Nelson gets another year unless HC gets drubbed by 30 game in and game out over the next month. The AU game was bad but I don’t think it was the debacle some are making it out to be. We aren’t talking Northeastern-like from two years ago. That was a debacle.
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Post by Ignutz on Jan 28, 2022 9:37:20 GMT -5
According to his Twitter, VR was at the AU game, too If VR and KH were at a weekday night league game that required a plane flight, I'd say that BN's tenure is coming to an end. Maybe it's not surprising that he got T'd up in the late stages of the game.
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Post by Tom on Jan 28, 2022 10:02:29 GMT -5
If VR and KH were at a weekday night league game that required a plane flight, I'd say that BN's tenure is coming to an end. Maybe it's not surprising that he got T'd up in the late stages of the game. per the American game thread. . .
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 28, 2022 10:11:27 GMT -5
Shout-out to the Washington semester crew.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 28, 2022 14:18:00 GMT -5
Kit and to a lesser extent, Prez VR, are still getting their feet wet both at HC as well as being the top dog in an athletic department and college president. It wouldn’t surprise me if Nelson gets another year unless HC gets drubbed by 30 game in and game out over the next month. The AU game was bad but I don’t think it was the debacle some are making it out to be. We aren’t talking Northeastern-like from two years ago. That was a debacle. I believe that Northeastern was a good team in a good league. AU is neither..
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Post by trimster on Jan 28, 2022 14:51:49 GMT -5
Kit and to a lesser extent, Prez VR, are still getting their feet wet both at HC as well as being the top dog in an athletic department and college president. It wouldn’t surprise me if Nelson gets another year unless HC gets drubbed by 30 game in and game out over the next month. The AU game was bad but I don’t think it was the debacle some are making it out to be. We aren’t talking Northeastern-like from two years ago. That was a debacle. I believe that Northeastern was a good team in a good league. AU is neither.. 60 points better than HC? That's how much they were leading by at one point in the second half. That was a debacle. Being down 12 late in the game to AU isn't a debacle. It wasn't good but far from a debacle. I do feel 9-54 over 2+ years is certainly a dumpster fire. No two ways about it. We'll see where it goes from here.
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 30, 2022 16:40:48 GMT -5
If there's a change at the end of the season, the St. Peter's coach, Shaheen Holloway (sp?) who played at Seton Hall, has done a great job. his team played Iona very tough today - post game from Pitino:
Rick Pitino on Saint Peter’s: “They’re the toughest team we’ve faced since I’ve been here, last year and this year. He is a great coach. I didn’t know how good of a coach he was until we played them today.”
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 30, 2022 17:12:36 GMT -5
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A guy isn't leaving St. Peter's to come to HC
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Post by hceconhist on Jan 30, 2022 17:14:07 GMT -5
I'm sure you're right but why would BN reject a life raft as he is floundering in the ocean? It would mean he preferred getting fired to staying and trying to make it work. If that's the case the strategy of supporting him with additional resources is dead in the water. BN said his values were aligned with Kit's values and would surely be given the opportunity to agree on the individual selected. If he did actually reject help the cord would have to be cut. To me it would be a choice between having a chance to turn around your first and maybe only D-1 head coaching opportunity (SK never even got an assistant's job after HC) and ending your head coaching tenure as an epic failure. It would seem to be an easy choice. It's only a life raft if HE believes it will help. Just like some people on this board are saying that it's up to the SID to ensure that the coach provides post-game commentary, it's on the coach to advocate for as many resources as he thinks are necessary. It is incredibly difficult to win at Holy Cross. I agree that it would be wise for Coach Nelson to seek assistance.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 30, 2022 17:14:25 GMT -5
Not sure why Holloway would want to make a lateral move to a school with a lot more impediments to winning.
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Post by bigfan on Jan 30, 2022 17:32:25 GMT -5
Why leave the MAAC and go to the PL. Doesn't make sense.
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