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Post by rgs318 on Feb 5, 2022 15:47:41 GMT -5
I have to agree that the label "hater" is over used and has no real meaning here. There were many doubters regarding coach BN, but I have to say the team would not be included in that category. OK, after the last loss I was about ready to give up...but I'm thrilled the team has started playing as a team and the coach seems to have control all the way. Could this swing back? Of course. But, IMHO, BN has earned at least a chance to be evaluated at the end of the season and. not after every game (or play). PS: Colgate will have only one day to get ready for Holy Cross.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 5, 2022 15:48:52 GMT -5
Gates and Luc are a nice endgame duo. Gives you confidence if you have the lead in the last couple of minutes.
Enjoying the moment.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 5, 2022 15:49:58 GMT -5
We have moved up to #348 in Ken Pomeroy's site
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Feb 5, 2022 15:53:39 GMT -5
Post by DiMarz on Feb 5, 2022 15:53:39 GMT -5
Colgate vs American on ESPN+ at 4pm..
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 5, 2022 15:53:45 GMT -5
Not a pretty game to watch, but a win is a win. Holy Cross shot just 38% from the floor, but 81% (21-26) from the line - made more free throws than field goals. The last time we won a game shooting under 40% was just over FIVE years ago on 2/1/17. We have been 0-36 in games where we shot <40% since beating Colgate shooting 38.6% on that day. Of course the goal is to shoot at a high percentage every game, but we had become a very soft program under Carmody (0-fer the last 14 games shooting under 40% from 2017-2019), and I am hopeful that we are finally turning the corner to a point where we can win tough, physical, grind-it-out games when the shots aren't falling.
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Feb 5, 2022 15:55:20 GMT -5
Post by rgs318 on Feb 5, 2022 15:55:20 GMT -5
The Bucknell/Lafayette game is now in overtime with 4 min left - tied at 67.
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 5, 2022 15:57:41 GMT -5
Not a pretty game to watch, but a win is a win. Holy Cross shot just 38% from the floor, but 81% (21-26) from the line - made more free throws than field goals. The last time we won a game shooting under 40% was just over FIVE years ago on 2/1/17. We have been 0-36 in games where we shot <40% since beating Colgate shooting 38.6% on that day. Of course the goal is to shoot at a high percentage every game, but we had become a very soft program under Carmody (0-fer the last 14 games shooting under 40% from 2017-2019), and I am hopeful that we are finally turning the corner to a point where we can win tough, physical, grind-it-out games when the shots aren't falling. The play on D has been a huge plus over the last 3 games....and that D should be there every night!
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Feb 5, 2022 15:58:07 GMT -5
Post by rgs318 on Feb 5, 2022 15:58:07 GMT -5
We have moved up to #348 in Ken Pomeroy's site Massey has HC at #346 and has not yet counted in today's win.
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Feb 5, 2022 15:59:20 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Feb 5, 2022 15:59:20 GMT -5
Interesting, different minutes distribution Bo and Gerrale- 38 Malcolm- 36 Judson -31 Kyrell- 24(fewer because of fouls ?) I did not see the game Caleb- 12( also limited by fouls ?’ Bubba- 10 Nolan- 7 Louth- 4
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Feb 5, 2022 16:03:14 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Feb 5, 2022 16:03:14 GMT -5
Army shot 40%, 27% from Three More than half their FGA were threes- 26/55 The team that died by the three today.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 5, 2022 16:05:04 GMT -5
Interesting, different minutes distribution Bo and Gerrale- 38 Malcolm- 36 Judson -31 Kyrell- 24(fewer because of fouls ?) I did not see the game Caleb- 12( also limited by fouls ?’ Bubba- 10 Nolan- 7 Louth- 4 Caleb had foul issues all game, and Luc had to sit for a significant stretch of the 2nd half with 4 fouls. I have been extremely impressed with the way Nelson has managed rotations over the past few games. He is letting minutes go to the guys who are playing the best and not forcing lineups just because he may have planned something different before the game. Managing rotations and minutes is a very difficult task with such an inexperienced roster where guys are going to be inconsistent with what they have each night (Caleb vs BU and Caleb vs Army being a glaring most recent example).
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 5, 2022 16:14:32 GMT -5
Why did he wait until the last three games to start managing rotations this way?
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Post by Ray on Feb 5, 2022 16:17:46 GMT -5
However, it is NOT " significant progress" over what we should have expected earlier in the year. Wrong! What we "should" have expected early this year is very inconsistent play from a team with a total of one player who had completed a full season of Division 1 College Basketball. Ever think that perhaps the major problem was with your expectations, and not the coaching staff? Just something to consider! Go Cross Go!!! Lest we whitewash how bad things got in the OOC schedule, I think "inconsistent" is exactly the wrong word to use: starting 0-12 against D-1 competition is incredibly consistent... and deserved to be called out for the trash fire that it was.
We're all glad things are getting better. It was an open question whether Nelson could get this group out of that skid and get better results, even as they pick up that much-needed experience. People who called out how bad things were at the time aren't "haters", just as I don't see anybody denying that there are positive steps being taken now. Enough with the straw men, already. We all want to see this program succeed.
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Post by jflare on Feb 5, 2022 16:23:34 GMT -5
Looks like I have to keep picking HC opponents! Yes please do. Seems to be working well LOL
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Feb 5, 2022 16:28:29 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 5, 2022 16:28:29 GMT -5
Can't dispute that math. 0-12 is 100% consistent. As is 3-0. I'm enjoying the moment as a purple koolade sipping fan stated. The switch has been flipped. For now anyway.
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Feb 5, 2022 16:48:57 GMT -5
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Post by bikeman on Feb 5, 2022 16:48:57 GMT -5
I see a couple of kids on this team developing nicely. I'll enjoy watching this as a bball fan to see what level they can achieve.
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Post by lou on Feb 5, 2022 16:57:31 GMT -5
Is this net thing a flanking move by Army? HC goes on a run, "Let's have them sit for 10 minutes".... I was there, it was different. One guy struggled on the ladder, three guys watching and pointing. I figured the rest helped us
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Post by sader81 on Feb 5, 2022 17:02:01 GMT -5
Took the ride down to West Point. The guys are really coming together! Biggest change is helping/switching on the M2M defense. They had some scoring droughts during the game, but overall played well on offense. Nice to see them make foul shots when it mattered. The team was very excited as the game ended. I’m sure it’s been a rough 3 months for them and they enjoyed the victory today. Congrats to them!
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 5, 2022 17:11:03 GMT -5
Wrong! What we "should" have expected early this year is very inconsistent play from a team with a total of one player who had completed a full season of Division 1 College Basketball. Ever think that perhaps the major problem was with your expectations, and not the coaching staff? Just something to consider! Go Cross Go!!! Lest we whitewash how bad things got in the OOC schedule, I think "inconsistent" is exactly the wrong word to use: starting 0-12 against D-1 competition is incredibly consistent... and deserved to be called out for the trash fire that it was.
We're all glad things are getting better. It was an open question whether Nelson could get this group out of that skid and get better results, even as they pick up that much-needed experience. People who called out how bad things were at the time aren't "haters", just as I don't see anybody denying that there are positive steps being taken now. Enough with the straw men, already. We all want to see this program succeed.
The “hating” element was from those who were dead set on the “fact” that the disastrous start was all Nelson’s fault and refused to acknowledge the dreadful and unprecedented circumstances that he was presented when he took the job at HC. The W/L results of the first 2+ years that Nelson was coaching at HC were dreadful, abysmal, atrocious — chose your own adjective adventure — nobody would argue that. But blowing things up was a necessary step to eventually get the program back on track. Some seemed to do a double whammy of both blaming Nelson for blowing it up and then also not give him a chance to build the program back up in a reasonable amount of time, which was not fair. It’s like the stretch from 2009-2019 where the program was beaten down to a pulp just didn’t exist to these fine folks. Go Cross Go!!
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 5, 2022 17:14:39 GMT -5
The play on D has been a huge plus over the last 3 games....and that D should be there every night! Opponent FG% vs. Lehigh 39.6% vs. BU 41.3% vs. Army 40.0%
By this measure, our three best performances of the year vs. peers. IIRC, one of the mantras of the Willard teams was to hold teams at/under 40%. - defense always keeps you in the game.
As does free-throw shooting. Last three games, Holy Cross is 42-55 (76.4%) from the line.
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Feb 5, 2022 17:24:09 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 5, 2022 17:24:09 GMT -5
The play on D has been a huge plus over the last 3 games....and that D should be there every night! Opponent FG% vs. Lehigh 39.6% vs. BU 41.3% vs. Army 40.0%
By this measure, our three best performances of the year vs. peers. IIRC, one of the mantras of the Willard teams was to hold teams at/under 40%. - defense always keeps you in the game.
As does free-throw shooting. Last three games, Holy Cross is 42-55 (76.4%) from the line.
What have we done differently to cause this dramatically different result in Opponent FG%?
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Feb 5, 2022 17:37:11 GMT -5
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Post by tj on Feb 5, 2022 17:37:11 GMT -5
Opponent FG% vs. Lehigh 39.6% vs. BU 41.3% vs. Army 40.0%
By this measure, our three best performances of the year vs. peers. IIRC, one of the mantras of the Willard teams was to hold teams at/under 40%. - defense always keeps you in the game.
As does free-throw shooting. Last three games, Holy Cross is 42-55 (76.4%) from the line.
What have we done differently to cause this dramatically different result in Opponent FG%? Navy at Loyola on now. Close game. Both 7-4 in league
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Feb 5, 2022 17:54:52 GMT -5
Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 5, 2022 17:54:52 GMT -5
Last three games, Holy Cross is 42-55 (76.4%) from the line. And we are +8 from the line collectively over the last three games - games that we have won by a total of 11 points
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Feb 5, 2022 18:11:45 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 5, 2022 18:11:45 GMT -5
Here's been on the floor more/less in the last 3 wins versus the 3 preceding losses--
Played more in the wins
Player= Minutes in 3 losses/minutes in 3 wins= difference
Bo= 64/92= +28 minutes JM= 58/73= + 15 minutes. Note that while he played more he took 19 FGA versus 24 in the losses but scored 23 points versus 11 LMC= 21/36=+15 minutes CK= 52/58= +6 minutes
Bubba= 46/30= (16) minutes ND= 53/40= (13) minutes Rabs= 14/2= (12) minutes Luc= 101/93= (8) minutes Gates= 108/99= (9) minutes Malc T= 83/77= (6) minutes
Bot suggesting cause and effect without further input from expert observers, The two that stand out are Bob and Bubba
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 5, 2022 18:23:37 GMT -5
Here's been on the floor more/less in the last 3 wins versus the 3 preceding losses-- Played more in the wins Player= Minutes in 3 losses/minutes in 3 wins= difference Bo= 64/92= +28 minutes JM= 58/73= + 15 minutes. Note that while he played more he took 19 FGA versus 24 in the losses but scored 23 points versus 11 LMC= 21/36=+15 minutes CK= 52/58= +6 minutes Bubba= 46/30= (16) minutes ND= 53/40= (13) minutes Rabs= 14/2= (12) minutes Luc= 101/93= (8) minutes Gates= 108/99= (9) minutes Malc T= 83/77= (6) minutes Bot suggesting cause and effect without further input from expert observers, The two that stand out are Bob and Bubba I was on sabbatical during the first part of that comparison, so I can’t say for sure, but don’t minutes only tell part of the story? E.g. Bo (3-17) and Martindale (4-24) both appear to have been playing quite poorly during that stretch, so their minutes were down. They (especially Bo) have been playing better in the last three games, and therefore are getting more minutes. That’s what has stood out to me about Nelson with rotations — he seems to be letting guys/groups stay on the floor for significant stretches without tinkering if the lineup is working. IIRC this played itself out in the 2nd half against BU. Bo had been playing really well and was out for a breather in the 2nd half. While he was out, the group on the floor put together a run, and Nelson allowed them to continue, rather than just automatically subbing Bo back in because he was having a good night.
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