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Post by rgs318 on Mar 4, 2022 18:10:06 GMT -5
Not directed at anyone. I really was wondering what "there's a negative correlation between "great" player and good coach" meant. As a terrible runner who became a pretty good coach, I am interested in what you think the negative correlation might be. Of course, a good friend/classmate of mine was a very good runner and became an outstanding coach. What sort of correlation do you mean?
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Post by hchoops on Mar 4, 2022 20:33:09 GMT -5
Ryan Pedon,Ohio State top assistant, gets the Illinois State head job
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 4, 2022 20:44:44 GMT -5
Perhaps the reason that we see so few great players become good or great coaches is that there are so few great players to begin with. The composite of weak, mediocre, below average, average, and pretty good players must outnumber great players 50 to 1. Even if great players are more often offered coaching jobs than those from my group are, they still will be vastly outnumbered by the weak to pretty food crowd. Thus when one takes a look at the very good to great coaches, one should not be surprised to see so many who were role players when they wore uniforms. Make sense?
Don't forget than John Wooden was a three time All-America player at Purdue. I'm sure we can find many other examples for college ball. Bob Cousy had a pretty solid record when he coached in college. In the NBA Bill Russell, Tom Heinsohn had great success as coaches for sure. Jerry West had a good WL% when coaching the Lakers
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 4, 2022 23:36:33 GMT -5
KY's answer is similar to the concept I think of when complaints are made about the percentage of black NFL head coaches and general managers not being commensurate with the percentage of black NFL players.
There are so many more sports nerds who are capable of working in a front office and so-so college players who are capable of coaching that aren't capable of playing in the NFL, it greatly broadens the applicant universe from just the small group of former players.
Having said that, there still should be more blacks in leadership positions, because the current ratio doesn't even keep up with the percentages in the general population and I assume there are a disproportionate number of white former players in leadership positions than their percentage of all former players.
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Post by Tom on Mar 5, 2022 9:15:17 GMT -5
Don't forget than John Wooden was a three time All-America player at Purdue. I'm sure we can find many other examples for college ball. Bob Cousy had a pretty solid record when he coached in college. In the NBA Bill Russell, Tom Heinsohn had great success as coaches for sure. Jerry West had a good WL% when coaching the Lakers I'm a huge Bill Russell fan and always throw his name out when people have the Lebron Jordan debate. He was a pretty mediocre coach when he didn't have himself as a player. Ted Williams was not a great manager. He literally wrote the book on hitting
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 5, 2022 10:45:57 GMT -5
Can I make a request ? Let's keep this thread narrowed to coaching changes - these other topics are fine but maybe a bit removed from the coaching carousel topic which is very interesting this time of year
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Post by hchoops on Mar 5, 2022 19:57:37 GMT -5
Heard today from a reliable source that UMass is offering over $1 mill Becker of Vermont May be offered
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 5, 2022 20:29:03 GMT -5
In his final game at Cameron Indoor and Duke down 8 with 1:10 left, Coach K elected to not foul and play defense.
Sons of Reddick is on the Duke message board calling for K to be fired before he is able to retire.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 5, 2022 21:00:25 GMT -5
With Coach K's retirement CBN moves up one place on the list of greatest current coaches,right?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 5, 2022 21:17:46 GMT -5
With Coach K's retirement CBN moves up one place on the list of greatest current coaches,right? Only a fool would have had K ahead of HCBN on their list. Duke also in for a world of hurt by having Jon Scheyer take over. He is clearly destined to fail as a former McDonald’s All-American and high-major player, and not a local D2 Head Coach.
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Post by gerry on Mar 5, 2022 21:49:08 GMT -5
Jimmy Boeheim the last man standing from the coaches I grew up watching in the 80's. Having college aged sons playing at his school likely bought him several more years than he deserved most likely to the detriment of the program
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Post by gerry on Mar 5, 2022 21:51:45 GMT -5
My bad...Pitino still around
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Post by hchoops on Mar 5, 2022 22:25:50 GMT -5
His bad, not yours
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Post by timholycross on Mar 5, 2022 22:29:29 GMT -5
Jimmy Boeheim the last man standing from the coaches I grew up watching in the 80's. Having college aged sons playing at his school likely bought him several more years than he deserved most likely to the detriment of the program He's gotta quit when son #2 uses up his eligibility; at least if I were a SU hoop fan, I'd be rooting for that.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 5, 2022 23:00:22 GMT -5
Buddy B. is a real senior. If he takes the super senior option , he has one more year.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 6, 2022 22:03:07 GMT -5
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 6, 2022 22:09:29 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 6, 2022 22:13:18 GMT -5
The Ivy League has a four team tournament next Saturday and Sunday at Harvard. It appears Harvard didn't make the cut.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Mar 6, 2022 22:34:52 GMT -5
The Ivy League has a four team tournament next Saturday and Sunday at Harvard. It appears Harvard didn't make the cut. Men, no; women, yes.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 6, 2022 23:28:17 GMT -5
Memories of Mitch Hahn. The program went to pot after he left there.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 6, 2022 23:31:00 GMT -5
The Ivy League has a four team tournament next Saturday and Sunday at Harvard. It appears Harvard didn't make the cut. Harvard's too small, less than Hart would be if it were converted to mostly chairs. Are the men's semis separate admissions?
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Post by hchoops on Mar 6, 2022 23:43:46 GMT -5
Memories of Mitch Hahn. The program went to pot after he left there. That made it two.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 6, 2022 23:44:16 GMT -5
The Ivy League has a four team tournament next Saturday and Sunday at Harvard. It appears Harvard didn't make the cut. Nobody can do less with more better than Tommy Amaker. Looking forward to more articles about how great their recruiting is this offseason!
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Post by timholycross on Mar 7, 2022 7:35:22 GMT -5
The Ivy League has a four team tournament next Saturday and Sunday at Harvard. It appears Harvard didn't make the cut. Nobody can do less with more better than Tommy Amaker. to more articles about how great their recruiting is this offseason! Which, I'm pretty sure, is why he wasn't the choice to succeed Coach K.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 7, 2022 7:57:44 GMT -5
At least according to a recent book, Amaker was Duke’s choice, but Coach K vetoed it.
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