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Post by timholycross on Mar 24, 2022 9:22:12 GMT -5
Mark Schmidt NOT going to Umass after many reports that he was. Focus has turned to Frank Martin, who I like but see as a fish out of water in New England.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 24, 2022 9:26:33 GMT -5
Asking this as a serious question, not sarcasm. Is New England that different from other parts of the country? If so, in what way? (I know the weather issue, but what others?)
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Post by hceconhist on Mar 24, 2022 9:39:41 GMT -5
Asking this as a serious question, not sarcasm. Is New England that different from other parts of the country? If so, in what way? (I know the weather issue, but what others?) From a college basketball perspective? I gotta think the main issue, besides cost of living, is the market. Way too major league sports-oriented. You can probably stretch that down through NJ as well which is why people are saying Kevin Willard's tenure at Seton Hall is actually under-appreciated.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 24, 2022 9:56:06 GMT -5
Frank Martin would be a weird hire for UMass. If they hire him, they're going after a "name" more than anything else, IMO.
Pat Skerry would be a very smart hire. He's taken a dreadful Towson program and made them more than respectable in the CAA, is a Mass guy, and can flat-out coach (not just recruit).
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Post by Tom on Mar 24, 2022 10:38:47 GMT -5
Asking this as a serious question, not sarcasm. Is New England that different from other parts of the country? If so, in what way? (I know the weather issue, but what others?) From a college basketball perspective? I gotta think the main issue, besides cost of living, is the market. Way too major league sports-oriented. You can probably stretch that down through NJ as well which is why people are saying Kevin Willard's tenure at Seton Hall is actually under-appreciated. Fair point. In many parts of the country, college is king. In the northeast, it's an afterthought to the pro's. I remember when the Falcons were in the Super Bowl, a few years ago, no one in Atlanta was particularly excited until the NFC championship round
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 24, 2022 10:45:29 GMT -5
Frank Martin would be a weird hire for UMass. If they hire him, they're going after a "name" more than anything else, IMO. Pat Skerry would be a very smart hire. He's taken a dreadful Towson program and made them more than respectable in the CAA, is a Mass guy, and can flat-out coach (not just recruit). Have you studied a lot of Towson film? ----- If I was a UMASS fan, I would much rather have a Frank Martin (or Tom Crean, for example) than a Mark Schmidt. Guys like Martin & Crean have not only proven that they are great coaches, but would also be hungry to improve their standing after flaming out at their last jobs. Schmidt's done a nice job in a tough job at St. Bonaventure, but it's not like he would be walking into the top job in the A-10 at UMASS with unlimited resources. He is still going to be fighting an uphill battle in a league that just got even tougher with Archie Miller at URI. (Side note: Crean is a guy I would love for the HC job IF Nelson does not work out next year).
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 24, 2022 10:47:03 GMT -5
Frank Martin would be a weird hire for UMass. If they hire him, they're going after a "name" more than anything else, IMO. Pat Skerry would be a very smart hire. He's taken a dreadful Towson program and made them more than respectable in the CAA, is a Mass guy, and can flat-out coach (not just recruit). Have you studied a lot of Towson film? No. Just read WooGray's posts.
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Post by johnny on Mar 24, 2022 11:09:26 GMT -5
"Asking this as a serious question, not sarcasm. Is New England that different from other parts of the country? If so, in what way? (I know the weather issue, but what others?)"
I think when people reference this (not just New England put coaches knowing a specific part of the country) it is usually regarding recruiting and high school coaching contacts. Martin's career as a head coach has been spent at K-State and South Carolina so new territory for him. Interesting that Martin's wife was a former track star at UMass though.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 24, 2022 11:18:45 GMT -5
Here's Towson's CAA conference record
Coach Michael Hunt= 12-42 Coach Pat Kennedy= 36-90 Coach Pat Skerry= 98-94 (includes 1-17 in first season)
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Post by hc17 on Mar 24, 2022 12:56:17 GMT -5
Frank Martin would be a weird hire for UMass. If they hire him, they're going after a "name" more than anything else, IMO. Pat Skerry would be a very smart hire. He's taken a dreadful Towson program and made them more than respectable in the CAA, is a Mass guy, and can flat-out coach (not just recruit). Have you studied a lot of Towson film? ----- If I was a UMASS fan, I would much rather have a Frank Martin (or Tom Crean, for example) than a Mark Schmidt. Guys like Martin & Crean have not only proven that they are great coaches, but would also be hungry to improve their standing after flaming out at their last jobs. Schmidt's done a nice job in a tough job at St. Bonaventure, but it's not like he would be walking into the top job in the A-10 at UMASS with unlimited resources. He is still going to be fighting an uphill battle in a league that just got even tougher with Archie Miller at URI. (Side note: Crean is a guy I would love for the HC job IF Nelson does not work out next year). If that time comes, I'd be all over Tom Crean, who spent 4 years under Willard, and a few years under Izzo. Want a statement hire to revive HC Hoops? Hire Tom Crean.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 24, 2022 13:44:26 GMT -5
Can't say I share the same enthusiasm for Tom Crean as others do.
Big name, sure.
Never has coached at a school like HC or in a conference like the PL. I'm not convinced he'd do well here.
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Post by southernsader on Mar 24, 2022 14:55:17 GMT -5
Crean was good at ESPN, I think he'd stick with tv before coaching in the Patriot League. .Could see him in the MAC, though - Michigan guy who went to Central Michigan.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 24, 2022 15:32:17 GMT -5
Can't say I share the same enthusiasm for Tom Crean as others do. Big name, sure. Never has coached at a school like HC or in a conference like the PL. I'm not convinced he'd do well here. Ah yes, same reason why Bob Chesney hasn't been successful coaching HC football. Makes absolutely zero sense to penalize a guy like Tom Crean for coaching in higher level conferences. "Hi Tom, thanks for your interest in Holy Cross, but despite what you did to turn around the Marquette program and bring them to a Final Four and bring Indiana from the ashes of the Kellen Sampson debacle to three Sweet 16's, we don't think you would work at HC because you haven't coached in the Patriot or Ivy Leagues. We're going to focus on the head coach at Skidmore." Pure foolishness.
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Post by hcnation on Mar 24, 2022 15:58:24 GMT -5
Bring back. I seem to recall that you thought Kevin Willard would have came here, but Pine hired Carmody instead . Pure fantasy .
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 24, 2022 16:29:09 GMT -5
Bring back. I seem to recall that you thought Kevin Willard would have came here, but Pine hired Carmody instead . Pure fantasy . Um, that actually happened. Crazy to think that we could have had Kevin Willard or Shaheen Holloway coaching at HC right now if we didn't have carpet bagger Pine more concerned with "winning the press conference" with his own guy. Amazingly, this was only the second biggest mistake from HC coaching searches over the past decade+, trailing behind McFarland vetoing a return of RW + Mark Daigneault succession plan after Kearney was fired. Competent leadership could have given us either a combination of the best coach in HC history & a current NBA head coach or the head coach at Maryland & a coach who got St. Peter's to the Sweet 16, and we somehow ended up with neither.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 24, 2022 16:41:40 GMT -5
If true, are you sure Kevin W. was not using his so called interest in HC to get a better deal from SH ?
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Post by hchoops on Mar 24, 2022 16:46:36 GMT -5
Bring back. I seem to recall that you thought Kevin Willard would have came here, but Pine hired Carmody instead . Pure fantasy . Um, that actually happened. Crazy to think that we could have had Kevin Willard or Shaheen Holloway coaching at HC right now if we didn't have carpet bagger Pine more concerned with "winning the press conference" with his own guy. Amazingly, this was only the second biggest mistake from HC coaching searches over the past decade+, trailing behind McFarland vetoing a return of RW + Mark Daigneault succession plan after Kearney was fired. Competent leadership could have given us either a combination of the best coach in HC history & a current NBA head coach or the head coach at Maryland & a coach who got St. Peter's to the Sweet 16, and we somehow ended up with neither .. “best coach in HC history..” RW was a terrific coach, but have you heard of Buster Sheary ? Or Doggie Julian. They were pretty good. Decent resumes.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 24, 2022 16:52:14 GMT -5
Bring back. I seem to recall that you thought Kevin Willard would have came here, but Pine hired Carmody instead . Pure fantasy . Um, that actually happened. Crazy to think that we could have had Kevin Willard or Shaheen Holloway coaching at HC right now if we didn't have carpet bagger Pine more concerned with "winning the press conference" with his own guy. Amazingly, this was only the second biggest mistake from HC coaching searches over the past decade+, trailing behind McFarland vetoing a return of RW + Mark Daigneault succession plan after Kearney was fired. Competent leadership could have given us either a combination of the best coach in HC history & a current NBA head coach or the head coach at Maryland & a coach who got St. Peter's to the Sweet 16, and we somehow ended up with neither. Wouldn't coaches who won national post season tournaments be under consideration for the best coach in Holy Cross history before Ralph? He gave us three great edge of our seat first round losses, but it's not really the same thing, is it?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 24, 2022 16:53:53 GMT -5
If true, are you sure Kevin W. was not using his so called interest in HC to get a better deal from SH ? I don’t think negotiations were really going that way — Seton Hall was struggling and far more likely to take the opportunity to get out from KW’s contract than respond to a potential move to HC.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 24, 2022 16:56:09 GMT -5
Um, that actually happened. Crazy to think that we could have had Kevin Willard or Shaheen Holloway coaching at HC right now if we didn't have carpet bagger Pine more concerned with "winning the press conference" with his own guy. Amazingly, this was only the second biggest mistake from HC coaching searches over the past decade+, trailing behind McFarland vetoing a return of RW + Mark Daigneault succession plan after Kearney was fired. Competent leadership could have given us either a combination of the best coach in HC history & a current NBA head coach or the head coach at Maryland & a coach who got St. Peter's to the Sweet 16, and we somehow ended up with neither .. “best coach in HC history..” RW was a terrific coach, but have you heard of Buster Sheary ? Or Doggie Julian. They were pretty good. Decent resumes. Their teams played on peach baskets, right? I hear the horse and buggie rides to road games paled in comparison to pL bus trips.
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Post by classof83 on Mar 24, 2022 17:18:03 GMT -5
I have a hard time seeing Martin as a good fit.
Why wouldn't UMASS speak to Langel?
I would think he needs to take his chance to move up soon.
I also wonder if Dave Paulson gets another chance - coached at Williams - not far from UMASS. I also think he is a decent coach
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 24, 2022 17:26:15 GMT -5
If true, are you sure Kevin W. was not using his so called interest in HC to get a better deal from SH ? Wasn’t KW on the verge of getting fired at Seton Hall? This was the only reason he was in play at HC.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 24, 2022 17:27:45 GMT -5
I have a hard time seeing Martin as a good fit. Why wouldn't UMASS speak to Langel? I would think he needs to take his chance to move up soon. I also wonder if Dave Paulson gets another chance - coached at Williams - not far from UMASS. I also think he is a decent coach I think Paulsen is a good coach and would be a good candidate for HC once the Nelson era ends. I’m not sure UMass is hiring a coach who was just fired from another A10 school. Only Lehigh does things like that.
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Post by bigfan on Mar 24, 2022 17:33:47 GMT -5
There is no way that KW would have come to HC. After being in the Big East he would not want to coach in the PL. The PL is like a J.V. team.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 24, 2022 17:34:41 GMT -5
I have a hard time seeing Martin as a good fit. Why wouldn't UMASS speak to Langel? I would think he needs to take his chance to move up soon. I also wonder if Dave Paulson gets another chance - coached at Williams - not far from UMASS. I also think he is a decent coach I think Paulsen is a good coach and would be a good candidate for HC once the Nelson era ends. I’m not sure UMass is hiring a coach who was just fired from another A10 school. Only Lehigh does things like that. Dave Paulsen would be a good candidate for HC, but Tom Crean would not? We have officially arrived in bananaland.
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