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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 6, 2022 14:41:30 GMT -5
While many focus on the issues on the team struggling on Mt. St. James...
There is a team currently on 11 game losing streak, and 0-10 in league play.....
While HC basketball is having growing pains with a roster of mostly freshmen and sophomores, our brother Jesuit school, Georgetown is 6-15.
Being in the Big East is not all Sunshine,Ice Cream and Unicorns.
Clearly turmoil on the Hilltop.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 6, 2022 14:46:13 GMT -5
No sympathy here. They had their glory days, long gone.
They made their bed long ago and now are sleeping in it.
Maybe if they had agreed to play their Jesuit “brother” in hoops a few times, I would feel differently.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 6, 2022 14:48:22 GMT -5
Gotta be doing something wrong......or may something right if suddenly Georgetown has admission standards for basketball players commensurate with the rest of the student body.
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Post by dadominate on Feb 6, 2022 14:56:39 GMT -5
as with most other basketball programs, the head coach makes or breaks success.
ewing had never held a head coaching position at any level nor had he had even been an assistant at the college level. this year doesn't come as a big surprise to me as "success" they have had is one hot weekend of the big east tournament and an ooc schedule analogous to hc's under nelson. lots of creampuffs to seemingly pad the record. one ncaa tournament appearance (a 20 point first round loss) in four years and an atrocious fifth season does not bode well.
like hoops, i have little sympathy for georgetown. but if they hire a good coach, they will likely get things going again.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 6, 2022 15:06:34 GMT -5
No sympathy here. They had their glory days, long gone. They made their bed long ago and now are sleeping in it. Maybe if they had agreed to play their Jesuit “brother” in hoops a few times, I would feel differently. I feel the same about Fordham. |
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Post by efg72 on Feb 6, 2022 15:21:03 GMT -5
as with most other basketball programs, the head coach makes or breaks success. ewing had never held a head coaching position at any level nor had he had even been an assistant at the college level. this year doesn't come as a big surprise to me as "success" they have had is one hot weekend of the big east tournament and an ooc schedule analogous to hc's under nelson. lots of creampuffs to seemingly pad the record. one ncaa tournament appearance (a 20 point first round loss) in four years and an atrocious fifth season does not bode well. like hoops, i have little sympathy for georgetown. but if they hire a good coach, they will likely get things going again. Good coach = success for the program and prosperity for the institution average coach= mediocre records, inconsistent support, reduced spending less than average coach = mediocrity, frustration and a dying program or something like that |
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 6, 2022 16:28:10 GMT -5
GU should just join the PL for all sports and be done with it.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 6, 2022 16:31:19 GMT -5
  . Yeah, right! They can take our spot after we leave for the Big East! [Sisyphus]
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Post by efg72 on Feb 6, 2022 16:42:02 GMT -5
GU should just join the PL for all sports and be done with it. imho There would be a revolt by alumni, fans, and the DC community the Development team and school would lose a ton of easy💰💰💰 the endowment would suffer and within a few years they would see a decrease in applications/yield/rankings. gosh ringsa bell, but no need to go there for the 10k time |
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Post by trimster on Feb 6, 2022 17:56:24 GMT -5
GU should just join the PL for all sports and be done with it. One plus would be the Hoyas could bring their games back on campus and not even expand McDonough. |
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Post by efg72 on Feb 6, 2022 18:57:29 GMT -5
McDonough is in great shape
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Post by trimster on Feb 6, 2022 19:25:13 GMT -5
While many focus on the issues on the team struggling on Mt. St. James... There is a team currently on 11 game losing streak, and 0-10 in league play..... While HC basketball is having growing pains with a roster of mostly freshmen and sophomores, our brother Jesuit school, Georgetown is 6-15. Being in the Big East is not all Sunshine,Ice Cream and Unicorns. Clearly turmoil on the Hilltop. The Hoya message board has a 131 page thread going strong over the last 14 months on the state of their men’s hoop program. My small sampling doesn’t many positive posts. |
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Post by res on Feb 6, 2022 19:33:05 GMT -5
One plus would be the Hoyas could bring their games back on campus and not even expand McDonough. I went to see Chuck Berry in 1975. Even he couldn't sell out 1/2 of McDonough. Fr. Brooks was right. |
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Post by efg72 on Feb 6, 2022 19:52:35 GMT -5
I had a party as a waiter at the old Publick House in Gtown, for Harry Chapin he sold out at McDonough
back to back in the summer of 74
Contrary to the love and attention given to a former President he was wrong as much as he was right— he was human and like each of us had his flaws
To move forward we should applaud all he did well and thank him for his brilliance, but also acknowledge areas where he failed or let the school down
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Post by alum on Feb 6, 2022 19:54:15 GMT -5
While men’s hoops is the most important BE sport, Georgetown is at or near the top of the league in many sports including soccer, lax, and track. I am sure they will find a way back.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 6, 2022 19:59:44 GMT -5
Maybe Georgetown is learning what I hope and pray HC is learning about hiring basketball coaches: you can win the press conference with an assistant from a big school or a famous ball player or someone who was both, but what you need is a proven head coach/ leader.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 6, 2022 20:13:43 GMT -5
Maybe Georgetown is learning what I hope and pray HC is learning about hiring basketball coaches: you can win the press conference with an assistant from a big school or a famous ball player or someone who was both, but what you need is a proven head coach/ leader. Ah yes, the magic bullet: a proven head coach/leader. This is why HC was so successful with Milan and Carmody!!! This is why Colgate has been such a failure under Langel! It’s all making sense now! There is no right or wrong place to find a head coach — the only important thing is that the guy will be a good head coach for the school, program, and situation he’s inheriting. Boxing a search into characteristics that don’t actually directly correlate with success at your school, and eliminating candidates because they don’t pass that ridiculous hurdle (for a low major) is just plain foolish. Even Notre Dame Football hired an assistant because he was the best fit for the job. Just taking a quick run down the top ranked mid-majors on KenPom right now — Loyola Chicago, Murray St, San Francisco, Belmont, Furman, Chattanooga — all in the top 70 in the country, all hired their head coach out of an assistant position. |
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Post by mm67 on Feb 6, 2022 20:16:23 GMT -5
Former National Champion is Struggling? Are you referring to the 1947 NCAA champion, Holy Cross?
There are very few "thoroughbred" programs which maintain successful , top flightbig time programs over many years.
Think KU,UK UNC, Duke. Former stalwart programs UCLA, Louisville and others are still big time with some success
but generally these programs are not in the hunt for the national title as they once were.
Success appears to be cyclical to a certain extent for most schools.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 6, 2022 20:38:14 GMT -5
Maybe Georgetown is learning what I hope and pray HC is learning about hiring basketball coaches: you can win the press conference with an assistant from a big school or a famous ball player or someone who was both, but what you need is a proven head coach/ leader. Ah yes, the magic bullet: a proven head coach/leader. This is why HC was so successful with Milan and Carmody!!! This is why Colgate has been such a failure under Langel! It’s all making sense now! There is no right or wrong place to find a head coach — the only important thing is that the guy will be a good head coach for the school, program, and situation he’s inheriting. Boxing a search into characteristics that don’t actually directly correlate with success at your school, and eliminating candidates because they don’t pass that ridiculous hurdle (for a low major) is just plain foolish. Even Notre Dame Football hired an assistant because he was the best fit for the job. Just taking a quick run down the top ranked mid-majors on KenPom right now — Loyola Chicago, Murray St, San Francisco, Belmont, Furman, Chattanooga — all in the top 70 in the country, all hired their head coach out of an assistant position. We’ve got to get you into a logic course, live, on-line, or by any other method. |
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Post by res on Feb 6, 2022 20:56:21 GMT -5
I had a party as a waiter at the old Publick House in Gtown, for Harry Chapin he sold out at McDonough back to back in the summer of 74 Contrary to the love and attention given to a former President he was wrong as much as he was right— he was human and like each of us had his flaws To move forward we should applaud all he did well and thank him for his brilliance, but also acknowledge areas where he failed or let the school down If they could sell out for Harry Chapin and not Chuck Berry, that tells me everything I need to know about Georgetown. I kid, I kid. But, not entirely... |
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 6, 2022 21:17:20 GMT -5
GU is in a bad way in hoops for sure - and their Women’s team isn’t much better (9th in BE, 7-12 overall and 2-9 in the league)
Reliable sources have the school making a men’s coaching change after the season
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 6, 2022 21:19:28 GMT -5
Ah yes, the magic bullet: a proven head coach/leader. This is why HC was so successful with Milan and Carmody!!! This is why Colgate has been such a failure under Langel! It’s all making sense now! There is no right or wrong place to find a head coach — the only important thing is that the guy will be a good head coach for the school, program, and situation he’s inheriting. Boxing a search into characteristics that don’t actually directly correlate with success at your school, and eliminating candidates because they don’t pass that ridiculous hurdle (for a low major) is just plain foolish. Even Notre Dame Football hired an assistant because he was the best fit for the job. Just taking a quick run down the top ranked mid-majors on KenPom right now — Loyola Chicago, Murray St, San Francisco, Belmont, Furman, Chattanooga — all in the top 70 in the country, all hired their head coach out of an assistant position. We’ve got to get you into a logic course, live, on-line, or by any other method. Sign me up! I want to learn how a 1-AA football head coach from a D2 school across town being successful means that every hire for basketball and every other sport should follow the exact same model! |
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Post by efg72 on Feb 6, 2022 21:46:45 GMT -5
Success matters
Knowing how to lead and manage natters
Experience leads to success-it is not a role for on the job training
Assistants can become Head Coaches-
some assistants actually learned from being a former head coach or part of the culture at ND or HC-Duffner
My bet is more assistants that become a head coach fail vs those few that succeed
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 6, 2022 23:40:18 GMT -5
We’ve got to get you into a logic course, live, on-line, or by any other method. Sign me up! I want to learn how a 1-AA football head coach from a D2 school across town being successful means that every hire for basketball and every other sport should follow the exact same model! Please cite the post where anyone said that |
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 6, 2022 23:58:58 GMT -5
Very few head coaches get hired without being an assistant somewhere. (Kathy Delaney Smith of Harvard is one rare exception. She started as a head coach in high school right out of college, where she didn't play basketball, because she was the PE teacher. Then she got recruited directly as the head coach at Harvard after winning 96 straight games or something at a nearby HS.)
My complaint is the attitude that Holy Cross is such a low level program that it is a good place for an assistant to make his mistakes as a first time head coach at any level. What is appealing about Chesney is he proved he knew how to be a good head coach before he got to HC and didn't have to learn those skills through trial and error on our dime.
If SK or BN had been a head coach at some level and then served as Assistant coach at a P-6 school before coming to Holy Cross they each might have gotten off to a better start.
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