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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 8, 2022 19:37:35 GMT -5
The Rams Club at UNC is a non-profit organization separate from the University of North Carolina. Such organizations are popular at public universities where state law often caps compensation to state employees, including coaches of high-profile revenue sports. In the case of the Rams Club, the Club was even seeking to float bonds to help underwrite some of the assistance they provided to UNC athletics. www.wunc.org/sports/2019-01-23/rams-club-athletic-boosters-look-to-sell-up-to-98m-in-tax-free-bondsHarvard supposedly has a rule that no coach can be paid more than the highest-paid professor. And it is said that Amaker's compensation is so high that the rule is breeched. And it is also said that boosters pay for the differential between the university's supposed salary cap and what Amaker receives as compensation. My understanding is that the differential payment is in the nature of personal services contract. In both instances above, entities separate from the respective universities are supplementing the university salary amounts, and in the case of the Rams Club, undertaking major athletic facilities projects and apparently funding student-athletic scholarships as well. This is markedly different from your suggestion that a 'smart' AD should be squirreling away monies to pay for the high salaries of the football and men's basketball coaches. And putting aside the Title IX implications of the AD even doing that. Looking at UNC's revenue and expense report as summarized in its Title IX filing, even with the Rams Club, UNC loses money on athletics.
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Post by efg72 on Feb 8, 2022 19:39:02 GMT -5
If we must be relegated to the PL, which at one moment in time made some sense, our OOC must be considered big time for FCS. PL plus one or two mid FBS schools, and the rest of the schedule of 3/4 games are considered our equals in the top 5-10 in the FCS
that type f football schedule with Chesney will begin to fill the stands, raise money, and help increase applications. Not as much as being a Big East or A10 hoops team but close
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Post by gks on Feb 8, 2022 19:40:50 GMT -5
If we must be relegated to the PL, which at one moment in time made some sense, our OOC must be considered big time for FCS. PL plus one or two mid FBS schools, and the rest of the schedule of 3/4 games are considered top 5-10 in the FCS Absolutely. PL teams are hurt every year in the playoffs by the league and their non-league scheduling. Tell the Ivies to pound sand.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Feb 8, 2022 19:50:18 GMT -5
Right now, I am basking in the metaphorical glow of the Coach Chesney extension. It brought tears of joy. An extension of this magnitude will provide a big lift to the entire. college community. Wonderful! Thank you Pres. Rougeau, AD Kit Hughes & the great Coach Chesney above all . In Hoc Signo Some on Crossports feared that Pres. Rougeau would not understand or support HC athletics but he has so far done both beautifully.
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Post by efg72 on Feb 8, 2022 19:56:19 GMT -5
And imho use it as a platform to transform the school. Remember he coached cyo hoops in the dc
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Post by gks on Feb 8, 2022 19:57:21 GMT -5
Right now, I am basking in the metaphorical glow of the Coach Chesney extension. It brought tears of joy. An extension of this magnitude will provide a big lift to the entire. college community. Wonderful! Thank you Pres. Rougeau, AD Kit Hughes & the great Coach Chesney above all . In Hoc Signo Some on Crossports feared that Pres. Rougeau would not understand or support HC athletics but he has so far done both beautifully. So far it's a nice change from the past. Very refreshing and encouraging.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Feb 8, 2022 20:06:55 GMT -5
A fine tune up before shuffaloing. I was dismayed when HC started playing former D-2 schools. But I'm over that. If Merrimack develops into a good rivalry with another in-state Catholic School, I'm happy to live in this century and enjoy it. I wonder if they have another QB who can put on a show like the grad transfer did last year. And if he gets another Covid season, bring it on. Merrimack brought in UCONN transfer QB Jack Zergiotis to replace Westin Elliot so while we will be looking for some payback against Merrimack...Jack will most definitely be looking for some revenge against HC as that game was the beginning of the end of his UCONN career. That and the humiliation of being on the Sports Center 24 hour loop of Top 10 plays when Modak threw him to the ground like a rag doll on his #Thick 6!
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Post by efg72 on Feb 8, 2022 20:07:09 GMT -5
The path forward under our new President and AD should be very bright!
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Post by jkh67 on Feb 8, 2022 20:29:11 GMT -5
Something I've thought about over the past year as we debated how long Coach Chesney might stay at HC is the notion of staying in the same community/house and keeping his kids in the schools they like. Some people actually value this over immediate career advancement. Perhaps because I think this way I may be reading too much into Coach Chesney's statement on the new contract. Some may suggest that he is simply trotting out the cliches Maybe not.... "Worcester has become home for my family, and we are humbled and grateful for the opportunity to continue our time in this great community and at Holy Cross," Chesney said. "The young men and coaches in our program have lived out the vision we saw four years ago. Through their commitment and hard work, they have had a chance to see that vision all the way through to multiple championships – and our ambitions are set even higher for the years to come. When he was hired from Assumption, I have a recollection that Chesney mentioned that being able to stay in Worcester with young children was an important consideration for him and his wife in accepting HC's offer, so I would take the quoted statement as genuine. Having foregone for similar family reasons some corporate moves with DuPont that would have been available to me "back in the day", I can only applaud Chez for keeping his family front and center. It doesn't get more important than that in life, I don't care how many football games you win.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 8, 2022 21:02:38 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 8, 2022 22:21:52 GMT -5
Something I've thought about over the past year as we debated how long Coach Chesney might stay at HC is the notion of staying in the same community/house and keeping his kids in the schools they like. Some people actually value this over immediate career advancement. Perhaps because I think this way I may be reading too much into Coach Chesney's statement on the new contract. Some may suggest that he is simply trotting out the cliches Maybe not.... "Worcester has become home for my family, and we are humbled and grateful for the opportunity to continue our time in this great community and at Holy Cross," Chesney said. "The young men and coaches in our program have lived out the vision we saw four years ago. Through their commitment and hard work, they have had a chance to see that vision all the way through to multiple championships – and our ambitions are set even higher for the years to come. When he was hired from Assumption, I have a recollection that Chesney mentioned that being able to stay in Worcester with young children was an important consideration for him and his wife in accepting HC's offer, so I would take the quoted statement as genuine. Having foregone for similar family reasons some corporate moves with DuPont that would have been available to me "back in the day", I can only applaud Chez for keeping his family front and center. It doesn't get more important than that in life, I don't care how many football games you win. December 19 - Notre Dame DL Coach Mike Elston on why he turned down a chance to follow Brian Kelly to LSU: “I've never shied away from why,” Elston said in a tone not generally heard on National Signing Day. “People think it's loyalty to certain people. At the end of the day, my family is the most important thing in my life.”
Elston then went on to provide details.
“To move a daughter who is a junior in high school right now, starting her senior year,” he started. “To move my middle daughter, Sophia, who is 14, and she's going to be starting her freshman year, who is a Top 10/Top 15 fencer in the country. A lot of places don't have fencing, and I’m pulling her away from an area she's able to flourish.
“It will always be a family decision. It's not about money. My kids want to go to Notre Dame too. So, it's a family decision. That's why I've always really kind of turned down opportunities for myself. I want my children to go off to college and when they say to their friends, 'Hey, I'm going home for the weekend,’ they have a place to go. They know where home is. And that's South Bend for them.” irishsportsdaily.com/s/16665/for-mike-elston-staying-at-notre-dame-was-truly-family-decision--------------------- Less than a month later, Mike Elston left Notre Dame for a lateral job as the DL coach at Michigan. Nothing against Chesney, and I believe the he does care about Worcester, but you're on drugs if you think he (and his family) is turning down an opportunity to move up the ranks because of Worcester. t's very encouraging to hear what Chesney is saying about the new President & AD, which I think will be key in keeping him from making a lateral move. There are also very few opportunities to move up the ranks from where he is today, so there is a chance that he could be sticking around for a significant amount of time, which is great for the College.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 8, 2022 22:41:03 GMT -5
When he was hired from Assumption, I have a recollection that Chesney mentioned that being able to stay in Worcester with young children was an important consideration for him and his wife in accepting HC's offer, so I would take the quoted statement as genuine. Having foregone for similar family reasons some corporate moves with DuPont that would have been available to me "back in the day", I can only applaud Chez for keeping his family front and center. It doesn't get more important than that in life, I don't care how many football games you win. December 19 - Notre Dame DL Coach Mike Elston on why he turned down a chance to follow Brian Kelly to LSU: “I've never shied away from why,” Elston said in a tone not generally heard on National Signing Day. “People think it's loyalty to certain people. At the end of the day, my family is the most important thing in my life.”
Elston then went on to provide details.
“To move a daughter who is a junior in high school right now, starting her senior year,” he started. “To move my middle daughter, Sophia, who is 14, and she's going to be starting her freshman year, who is a Top 10/Top 15 fencer in the country. A lot of places don't have fencing, and I’m pulling her away from an area she's able to flourish.
“It will always be a family decision. It's not about money. My kids want to go to Notre Dame too. So, it's a family decision. That's why I've always really kind of turned down opportunities for myself. I want my children to go off to college and when they say to their friends, 'Hey, I'm going home for the weekend,’ they have a place to go. They know where home is. And that's South Bend for them.” irishsportsdaily.com/s/16665/for-mike-elston-staying-at-notre-dame-was-truly-family-decision--------------------- Less than a month later, Mike Elston left Notre Dame for a lateral job as the DL coach at Michigan. Nothing against Chesney, and I believe the he does care about Worcester, but you're on drugs if you think he (and his family) is turning down an opportunity to move up the ranks because of Worcester. t's very encouraging to hear what Chesney is saying about the new President & AD, which I think will be key in keeping him from making a lateral move. There are also very few opportunities to move up the ranks from where he is today, so there is a chance that he could be sticking around for a significant amount of time, which is great for the College. I'll be happy with Coach Chesney and staff giving their all while here. Your analysis is realistic but nothing to be worried about. We'll be much further ahead when he leaves from where we were when he arrived.
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 8, 2022 23:52:41 GMT -5
Looking at UNC's revenue and expense report as summarized in its Title IX filing, even with the Rams Club, UNC loses money on athletics. 95 percent of colleges lose money on Athletics....
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 9, 2022 0:12:57 GMT -5
Thank God for fees. As in tuition and fees.
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Post by mm67 on Feb 9, 2022 6:37:16 GMT -5
It's interesting to read the soothsayers make definitive statements about what is in Coach Chesney's mind. We only know what the coach has stated and nothing more. As was commented by JFK'67, Coach Chesney had previously established the predicate four years ago by pointing to the importance of Worcester to his family in taking the HC job. The coach stated Worcester has become home for his family. Why not take the coach at his word?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 9, 2022 9:09:35 GMT -5
Maybe he'll become the Mark Few of FCS football. That ought to stir a few people up........
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 9, 2022 9:30:05 GMT -5
It's interesting to read the soothsayers make definitive statements about what is in Coach Chesney's mind. We only know what the coach has stated and nothing more. As was commented by JFK'67, Coach Chesney had previously established the predicate four years ago by pointing to the importance of Worcester to his family in taking the HC job. The coach stated Worcester has become home for his family. Why not take the coach at his word? Another Notre Dame example: Brian Kelly left for LSU a couple weeks later. Again, nothing against Chesney, but he’s trying to sell the program and himself with all of these comments. That’s his job. What is he supposed to say? “I hate Worcester and would rather be back home in Pennsylvania, but Assumption and Holy Cross wanted me as their football coach, so I guess I’ll stay here for a little while longer.” He has backed his words up in that he does care about Worcester, but the idea that he’s some type of martyr who will halt his career trajectory to remain in Worcester is a pure purple kool-air take. PVR, ADKH, Holy Cross, and Worcester should be enough to keep him from going to a Maine or UMASS dumpster fire for his next job, but as a hypothetical, do you think he would turn down the Villanova job to stay in Worcester? I say no way, Jose (and he shouldn’t, given the handcuffs the pL puts on its programs).
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Post by hc17 on Feb 9, 2022 9:48:27 GMT -5
Highly doubtful Ches stays the duration of his 5 year commitment. I'd be happy with 3 more years. Let's hope Kit threw in a sizeable buy-out clause.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Feb 9, 2022 10:16:14 GMT -5
Highly doubtful Ches stays the duration of his 5 year commitment. I'd be happy with 3 more years. Let's hope Kit threw in a sizeable buy-out clause. I agree it's likely he'll eventually leave, but a desire to stay long term at a great school with wonderful people and facilities at a good salary in a city where your wife and children are happy does not represent a lack of ambition.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Feb 9, 2022 10:37:43 GMT -5
Let's start bringing our focus more short term and live in the present instead of projecting about the future 3-5 years out. (the Stoics and Buddhists would tell us to just focus on "the day/moment" but I digress). Personally, I'm thinking more and more about this season and incrementally about 2023 given what will be an interesting transition losing 13 SS's in 23'. 1) The standard has now been reset for Holy Cross football. Anything less than a PL championship and getting to the 2nd round of the Playoffs (and competing) is seen as a step backward and below expectations (for all stakeholders). If we don't at minimum maintain this success, no one is going anywhere. Everyone wants to write off the PL but Fordham is returning DeMorat, Carter, Greenhagan and several others very good players. They will NOT be a 2nd half cake walk if they stay healthy (which they did not last year...we also broke their will to win with Anderson's sack and hit on DeMorat early in the 3rd quarter) I also expect Colgate to once again improve and be a gritty team especially in Hamilton after what we did to them at Polar Park.
2) It is now highly likely that HCBC and his key staff members will be around for at minimum the next 2 seasons. Yes, we can all envision a coaching destination that IF became available this year or next would be very attractive if they wanted Ches. It's primarily the schools we now recruit against toe to toe (Army, Navy, Nova, MAC (likely the more academically inclined like Miami OH) Ches wants to compete for FCS national championships so I don't think the big three Ivies (H/Y/P) are likely. As I stated before, what I HOPE this new contract enabled Chesney and Co. to do is be more judicious with that next step. He can now bypass a detour to the likes of Richmond, W&M or Towson.
3) I think most of us here get the business of college football for ambitious people. But again, here's what we know. With the talent we have returning this season, another PL title and a deeper playoff run to at least the quarterfinals is completely plausible (if we stay healthy which we've had very good fortune the last few years and I also attribute this to Coach Grautski and his staff.) The players and coaches will see anything less as a disappointment (imagine saying or even thinking this just a few short years ago). 2023 could be a reset year (at least on Defense) so part of the fun this season will be to watch which players improve, surprise and get more playing time to set themselves up to start in 23'.
We are doing everything we can to sustain the success in a sport/business that can change on a dime. We are building the infrastructure to control what we can over the medium to longer term. SO....Let's enjoy and appreciate what's in front us. Nothing is ever really guaranteed. Give thanks and keep pushing forward!
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 9, 2022 10:51:05 GMT -5
First off, when the hell is this kid going to leave? Is he going for a Ph.D.?!!! Second, too lazy to look it up now but my recollection is before our last game, I looked at how he did against us in his previous games. Again, my memory could well be wrong, but I think I recall that he did significantly worse than his normal NFL-potential stats against other opponents and we basically handle him pretty well. And, I believe we've beaten them in every game he's been under center. That said, just graduate DeMorat! "Professional student?" Not sure I would agree here. While I'm sure our coach would love to get into an FCS championship game (and win!), getting a job at Harvard might well mean not having to leave Worcester; being very well paid; and essentially having job security in perpetuity pretty much. Yale maybe not so much. Princeton gets him a lot closer to his PA roots. Hoping none of it happens but I do think they are at least "plausible."
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Post by newfieguy74 on Feb 9, 2022 10:59:12 GMT -5
Serious question: why is coaching Harvard's football team a better job than coaching HC's football team?
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 9, 2022 11:01:09 GMT -5
Paid a lot more and more job security. Also, you might not realize it but Harvard is considered to be a better school than Holy Cross. "Prestige" associated with Harvard.
Feel free to disagree with any or all of the above statement.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Feb 9, 2022 11:27:43 GMT -5
First off, when the hell is this kid going to leave? Is he going for a Ph.D.?!!! Second, too lazy to look it up now but my recollection is before our last game, I looked at how he did against us in his previous games. Again, my memory could well be wrong, but I think I recall that he did significantly worse than his normal NFL-potential stats against other opponents and we basically handle him pretty well. And, I believe we've beaten them in every game he's been under center. That said, just graduate DeMorat! "Professional student?" Not sure I would agree here. While I'm sure our coach would love to get into an FCS championship game (and win!), getting a job at Harvard might well mean not having to leave Worcester; being very well paid; and essentially having job security in perpetuity pretty much. Yale maybe not so much. Princeton gets him a lot closer to his PA roots. Hoping none of it happens but I do think they are at least "plausible." 1970, 1) As it relates to Demorat, yes Chesney/HC is 4-0 against him. The only game he really torched us stat wise was Spring 2021 (before the Spence blocked punt for a TD and second half Sluka surprise put them away.) He was also having his way with us in the 1H this past season until he was "hurt" by Anderson's hit. He wasn't the same after that. 2) As it relates to H/Y/P, I should have said "I don't think they are likely". I guess semantically they are of course plausible. However, another reason I don't think they are likely is that I do think Ches has FBS ambitions and as you stated those are more "lifer" gigs. I think Murphy retires at Harvard and not that soon. Princeton is intriguing but again does it make sense as a detour to set yourself up for an FBS shot. Maybe if Ches was in his mid/late 30's and not mid 40's? But here we are again with the speculation and hypothesizing. Good questions though.
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Post by football44 on Feb 9, 2022 11:35:00 GMT -5
First off, when the hell is this kid going to leave? Is he going for a Ph.D.?!!! Second, too lazy to look it up now but my recollection is before our last game, I looked at how he did against us in his previous games. Again, my memory could well be wrong, but I think I recall that he did significantly worse than his normal NFL-potential stats against other opponents and we basically handle him pretty well. And, I believe we've beaten them in every game he's been under center. That said, just graduate DeMorat! "Professional student?" Not sure I would agree here. While I'm sure our coach would love to get into an FCS championship game (and win!), getting a job at Harvard might well mean not having to leave Worcester; being very well paid; and essentially having job security in perpetuity pretty much. Yale maybe not so much. Princeton gets him a lot closer to his PA roots. Hoping none of it happens but I do think they are at least "plausible." Take it from someone who knows, Coach Chesney ain't interested in going to the Ivy League. When will everyone on this board understand that he and now kit Hughes have their eyes on a National Championship in FCS. He is a GOAL oriented person and he strives to meet his goals. If he achieves the goal of a FCS national championship then you can start worrying about when and where he might go. In the interim enjoy the news of the day.
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