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Post by DiMarz on Feb 20, 2022 18:33:05 GMT -5
Loyola up 55-30, 7:30 left
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Post by lou on Feb 20, 2022 19:01:46 GMT -5
Tonight: Lehigh 8-8 Loyola 8-8 HC 7-8
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 20, 2022 20:58:40 GMT -5
Glad to see the "Is Brett Nelson in ovah his head" thread has fallen off the 1st page. Testament to the hard work of the players and coaching staff.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 20, 2022 20:58:40 GMT -5
Tonight: Lehigh 8-8 Loyola 8-8 HC 7-8 It was damp and musty in that cellar. Glad to be out.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 20, 2022 22:17:58 GMT -5
You guys realize that the wink emoji meant I was kidding, right? We aren't in a position to lose any games on purpose. More specifically, Nelson's not. He needs every win he can get as his future with Holy Cross is far from a sure thing at this point. Admittedly, there is progress but it's 2 steps forward, 1 step back. Yes, that's sort of expected with a young team (when does "inexperience" stop being used? when we have all seniors? RW used to say that "by the end of the season, there's no such thing as a freshman."). I see Louth and Caleb improving by leaps and bounds. Martindale has regressed. His strong suit was never defense but now his shooting is suspect. Luc looks to be improving and then he starts with the exceptionally poor passes again. Gates is great except, gee, he sometimes can't produce when playing 1 on 3 or 1 on 4. I wonder why? Biggest issue seems to be that while individual players are mostly improving, the team as a whole is still not getting much synergy. The sum is less than the individual parts. It's like 1+1+1+1+1 = 3.5. I couldn’t disagree more. 1) RW never relied on Freshmen like HC is right now. Aside from RJ in RW’s final year, were there any Freshmen who played as prominent of a role as Luc and Kenny right now? 2) Without our starting PG and a key bench player, we are 6-3 in our last 9 games, and just had one of our best road wins in 12 years - if you don’t think the team is playing well together now, you must think extremely highly of HCBN’s recruiting if you think our talent level is beyond the current performance — makes me excited for the future! Go Cross Go!!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 20, 2022 22:34:41 GMT -5
You guys realize that the wink emoji meant I was kidding, right? We aren't in a position to lose any games on purpose. More specifically, Nelson's not. He needs every win he can get as his future with Holy Cross is far from a sure thing at this point. Admittedly, there is progress but it's 2 steps forward, 1 step back. Yes, that's sort of expected with a young team (when does "inexperience" stop being used? when we have all seniors? RW used to say that "by the end of the season, there's no such thing as a freshman."). I see Louth and Caleb improving by leaps and bounds. Martindale has regressed. His strong suit was never defense but now his shooting is suspect. Luc looks to be improving and then he starts with the exceptionally poor passes again. Gates is great except, gee, he sometimes can't produce when playing 1 on 3 or 1 on 4. I wonder why? Biggest issue seems to be that while individual players are mostly improving, the team as a whole is still not getting much synergy. The sum is less than the individual parts. It's like 1+1+1+1+1 = 3.5. I couldn’t disagree more. 1) RW never relied on Freshmen like HC is right now. Aside from RJ in RW’s final year, were there any Freshmen who played as prominent of a role as Luc and Kenny right now?2) Without our starting PG and a key bench player, we are 6-3 in our last 9 games, and just had one of our best road wins in 12 years - if you don’t think the team is playing well together now, you must think extremely highly of HCBN’s recruiting if you think our talent level is beyond the current performance — makes me excited for the future! Go Cross Go!! There were, in fact, quite a few: Tim Szatko Brian Wilson Jave Meade Nate Lufkin Alex Vander Baan R.J. Evans-as you noted
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Post by hchoops on Feb 20, 2022 22:41:48 GMT -5
Accurate memory, Ky,
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 20, 2022 23:09:33 GMT -5
I couldn’t disagree more. 1) RW never relied on Freshmen like HC is right now. Aside from RJ in RW’s final year, were there any Freshmen who played as prominent of a role as Luc and Kenny right now?2) Without our starting PG and a key bench player, we are 6-3 in our last 9 games, and just had one of our best road wins in 12 years - if you don’t think the team is playing well together now, you must think extremely highly of HCBN’s recruiting if you think our talent level is beyond the current performance — makes me excited for the future! Go Cross Go!! There were, in fact, quite a few: Tim Szatko Brian Wilson Jave Meade Nate Lufkin Alex Vander Baan R.J. Evans-as you noted Good call on Szatko, as he was the only one on that list with comparable impact to Luc, and Szatko/Wilson was the only combo of Freshmen impact players. Also, a great measuring stick for this year, as that team was 10-18, and 3-9 in the pL The others on the list were not asked to do close to as much as Luc. Important Note: Comparison of Luc to Jave is only in relation to Freshman impact, as Jave started 0 games. It is not comparing the players, as I would love for Luc to even approach Jave Meade’s level in his career. Go Cross Go!!!
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Post by hchoops on Feb 20, 2022 23:34:46 GMT -5
Despite not starting, Jave had a large impact on that 2001 NCAA season. He played 25 mpg and finished most games, including the NCAA game against Kentucky, on which he had a strong influence. He had the ball at crunch time and averaged 3 assists per game. He was not needed to score.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 21, 2022 0:06:16 GMT -5
Despite not starting, Jave had a large impact on that 2001 NCAA season. He played 25 mpg and finished most games, including the NCAA game against Kentucky, on which he had a strong influence. He had the ball at crunch time and averaged 3 assists per game. He was not needed to score. Jave had Seravalle. Who is Luc’s Seravalle?
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Post by hchoops on Feb 21, 2022 8:21:40 GMT -5
Despite not starting, Jave had a large impact on that 2001 NCAA season. He played 25 mpg and finished most games, including the NCAA game against Kentucky, on which he had a strong influence. He had the ball at crunch time and averaged 3 assists per game. He was not needed to score. Jave had Seravalle. Who is Luc’s Seravalle? Bo ?
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Post by trimster on Feb 21, 2022 8:46:55 GMT -5
There were, in fact, quite a few: Tim Szatko Brian Wilson Jave Meade Nate Lufkin Alex Vander Baan R.J. Evans-as you noted Good call on Szatko, as he was the only one on that list with comparable impact to Luc, and Szatko/Wilson was the only combo of Freshmen impact players. Also, a great measuring stick for this year, as that team was 10-18, and 3-9 in the pL The others on the list were not asked to do close to as much as Luc. Important Note: Comparison of Luc to Jave is only in relation to Freshman impact, as Jave started 0 games. It is not comparing the players, as I would love for Luc to even approach Jave Meade’s level in his career. Go Cross Go!!! RW’s first team that finished 10-18 was decimated by major injuries to Curry, Pegues, Serravale and Whearty.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 21, 2022 10:38:37 GMT -5
Good call on Szatko, as he was the only one on that list with comparable impact to Luc, and Szatko/Wilson was the only combo of Freshmen impact players. Also, a great measuring stick for this year, as that team was 10-18, and 3-9 in the pL The others on the list were not asked to do close to as much as Luc. Important Note: Comparison of Luc to Jave is only in relation to Freshman impact, as Jave started 0 games. It is not comparing the players, as I would love for Luc to even approach Jave Meade’s level in his career. Go Cross Go!!! RW’s first team that finished 10-18 was decimated by major injuries to Curry, Pegues, Serravale and Whearty. Curry-missed 16 games Pegues-missed 13 games Serravalle-missed 10 games, walk-on (I think) Geo Sanchez became starting PG Whearty- Missed 22 games I saw this team beat UAB in mid-season tournament in Indianapolis
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Post by timholycross on Feb 21, 2022 11:59:07 GMT -5
Wasn't that the game that James Stowers was "reactivated" and played a significant role in the win?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 21, 2022 12:17:34 GMT -5
RW’s first team that finished 10-18 was decimated by major injuries to Curry, Pegues, Serravale and Whearty. Curry-missed 16 games Pegues-missed 13 games Serravalle-missed 10 games, walk-on (I think) Geo Sanchez became starting PG Whearty- Missed 22 games I saw this team beat UAB in mid-season tournament in Indianapolis I think that was the year chronicled by the book "Last Amateurs"
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Post by Tom on Feb 21, 2022 13:44:49 GMT -5
Looking forward to the latest scenarios. Just looking quickly without researching tiebreakers, it seems 3rd to 9th place is still possible? yes
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Post by Tom on Feb 21, 2022 15:09:05 GMT -5
I suppose I should elaborate
If HC loses out and American wins out, they would be tied, but American would hold the tiebreaker
If HC wins out and BU loses out, they would be tied, and HC would hold a two way tiebreaker. Still works out OK if Loyola is in the tiebreaker. No so good if Lehigh is in the tiebreaker
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Post by fillfittonfield on Feb 21, 2022 16:04:45 GMT -5
You guys realize that the wink emoji meant I was kidding, right? We aren't in a position to lose any games on purpose. More specifically, Nelson's not. He needs every win he can get as his future with Holy Cross is far from a sure thing at this point. Admittedly, there is progress but it's 2 steps forward, 1 step back. Yes, that's sort of expected with a young team (when does "inexperience" stop being used? when we have all seniors? RW used to say that "by the end of the season, there's no such thing as a freshman."). I see Louth and Caleb improving by leaps and bounds. Martindale has regressed. His strong suit was never defense but now his shooting is suspect. Luc looks to be improving and then he starts with the exceptionally poor passes again. Gates is great except, gee, he sometimes can't produce when playing 1 on 3 or 1 on 4. I wonder why? Biggest issue seems to be that while individual players are mostly improving, the team as a whole is still not getting much synergy. The sum is less than the individual parts. It's like 1+1+1+1+1 = 3.5. I couldn’t disagree more. 1) RW never relied on Freshmen like HC is right now. Aside from RJ in RW’s final year, were there any Freshmen who played as prominent of a role as Luc and Kenny right now? 2) Without our starting PG and a key bench player, we are 6-3 in our last 9 games, and just had one of our best road wins in 12 years - if you don’t think the team is playing well together now, you must think extremely highly of HCBN’s recruiting if you think our talent level is beyond the current performance — makes me excited for the future! Go Cross Go!! Mr. BBC, Regarding RW & freshman, I would respectfully submit that Ryan Servalle (PG) and Tim Szaco (F) played a prominent role their freshman years. As prominent as Luc and Kinnie right now? Maybe. Maybe not. A close call. I do agree that Luc has really “carried a large load” for the team during PL which is wonderful and makes me very excited about the future.
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Post by fillfittonfield on Feb 21, 2022 16:07:01 GMT -5
Sorry…guess I was late to the party with my response. I’m amazed at the memory of my fellow Crossport posters! Well done.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 21, 2022 17:27:02 GMT -5
Whearty and Serravalle played their freshman years for Raynor. Whearty only played 6 games his soph. year for RW, shut it down due to injury; and got to play 3 more years.
The third member of that initial scholarship class (McKeever???) only played very briefly at HC due to an injury. No idea what his potential was; although some have said he was a promising player.
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Post by fillfittonfield on Feb 21, 2022 18:09:10 GMT -5
Whearty and Serravalle played their freshman years for Raynor. Whearty only played 6 games his soph. year for RW, shut it down due to injury; and got to play 3 more years. The third member of that initial scholarship class (McKeever???) only played very briefly at HC due to an injury. No idea what his potential was; although some have said he was a promising player. My memory is fading, but I seem to remember that Seravalle was one of RW’s first recruits. I don’t remember him playing for Raynor.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 21, 2022 18:09:37 GMT -5
I couldn’t disagree more. 1) RW never relied on Freshmen like HC is right now. Aside from RJ in RW’s final year, were there any Freshmen who played as prominent of a role as Luc and Kenny right now? 2) Without our starting PG and a key bench player, we are 6-3 in our last 9 games, and just had one of our best road wins in 12 years - if you don’t think the team is playing well together now, you must think extremely highly of HCBN’s recruiting if you think our talent level is beyond the current performance — makes me excited for the future! Go Cross Go!! Mr. BBC, Regarding RW & freshman, I would respectfully submit that Ryan Servalle (PG) and Tim Szaco (F) played a prominent role their freshman years. As prominent as Luc and Kinnie right now? Maybe. Maybe not. A close call. I do agree that Luc has really “carried a large load” for the team during PL which is wonderful and makes me very excited about the future. Ryan S. and Tim S. were not in the same class.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 21, 2022 18:33:56 GMT -5
Ryan S. definitely in Raynors last class. Have an old tape somewhere of a game against Army, with the two of them starting. Whearty thin at the time lol.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 22, 2022 1:41:53 GMT -5
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 22, 2022 1:49:35 GMT -5
Kyrell Luc’s Prep School Coach, Thomas Nelson, is listed in the link above. Talk about adding symmetry to this discussion.
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