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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 15, 2022 13:05:37 GMT -5
I never said I expected fans to be there; just commenting on how discouraging it is. Grand Canyon U. is in the WAC; not the PL, but not exactly the Big East either. Look what they've got going: www.azcentral.com/story/sports/college/gcu/2021/10/06/grand-canyon-arena-sold-out-2021-22-mens-basketball-season/6020637001/I highly recommend checking out just first couple of minutes of one of their games on ESPN+. The fans are so jacked up.....and this is for games with Dixie State, Cal Baptist, and others. I think of this place when I sit back and stretch out at the Hart.......and it's all I can do to keep from sobbing. I sometimes wonder if we can even have one game with a packed, energized house....ever again.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 15, 2022 13:07:17 GMT -5
And yes, I know they are unique; just the same, it's ultra depressing.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 15, 2022 13:08:45 GMT -5
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Post by hc87 on Feb 15, 2022 13:24:47 GMT -5
When I see (or experience in person) the absolute chasm in fan experience between PC and Holy Cross games today, it really is hard not to be depressed on how this has all played out.
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Post by Tom on Feb 15, 2022 13:56:19 GMT -5
The two tiered bench is another Covid thing that doesn’t actually make any difference. During timeouts, the one time everyone is together, they all get up and make a tight huddle in the corner. It may be 100% coincidence, but it has the look of "guys that are going to get in the game, sit in the front; the rest sit in the back". And that's not a good look to have. Yes, it seems that everyone is rooting for one another, etc., which I'm glad to see. It does have that look, but I don't think perception equals reality in this case. Martindale is basically always in the back row, but normally one of the first guys off the bench
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Post by timholycross on Feb 15, 2022 13:58:15 GMT -5
Noticed that the other night. I guess Covid doesn't cross state lines.
I hope PCs charmed life (way too many close games) doesn't catch up with them in The Dance, I'm rooting for them for sure.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 15, 2022 14:00:35 GMT -5
It may be 100% coincidence, but it has the look of "guys that are going to get in the game, sit in the front; the rest sit in the back". And that's not a good look to have. Yes, it seems that everyone is rooting for one another, etc., which I'm glad to see. It does have that look, but I don't think perception equals reality in this case. Martindale is basically always in the back row, but normally one of the first guys off the bench I just wish Nelson didn't feel like inserting the guy is going to take his team right out of the ballgame! At least Kenney has risen up concurrent w/Martindale falling.
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Post by trimster on Feb 15, 2022 14:07:15 GMT -5
When I see (or experience in person) the absolute chasm in fan experience between PC and Holy Cross games today, it really is hard not to be depressed on how this has all played out. Hopefully recruits aren't tuning in on ESPN+. Covid or not, it's a really bad look.
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Post by trimster on Feb 15, 2022 14:14:25 GMT -5
It may be 100% coincidence, but it has the look of "guys that are going to get in the game, sit in the front; the rest sit in the back". And that's not a good look to have. Yes, it seems that everyone is rooting for one another, etc., which I'm glad to see. It does have that look, but I don't think perception equals reality in this case. Martindale is basically always in the back row, but normally one of the first guys off the bench I watched the end of the game again and noticed American was doing the same thing with their bench.
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Post by trimster on Feb 15, 2022 14:18:34 GMT -5
When I see (or experience in person) the absolute chasm in fan experience between PC and Holy Cross games today, it really is hard not to be depressed on how this has all played out. Years ago after HC deemphasized hoops, I thought of going to PC or BC games but I just couldn't do it.
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Post by crusader1970 on Feb 15, 2022 14:24:32 GMT -5
I never said I expected fans to be there; just commenting on how discouraging it is. Grand Canyon U. is in the WAC; not the PL, but not exactly the Big East either. Look what they've got going: www.azcentral.com/story/sports/college/gcu/2021/10/06/grand-canyon-arena-sold-out-2021-22-mens-basketball-season/6020637001/I highly recommend checking out just first couple of minutes of one of their games on ESPN+. The fans are so jacked up.....and this is for games with Dixie State, Cal Baptist, and others. I think of this place when I sit back and stretch out at the Hart.......and it's all I can do to keep from sobbing. I sometimes wonder if we can even have one game with a packed, energized house....ever again.It will definitely happen again.
It will take a period of consistent winning, however......and any Covid concerns clearly in the rear mirror.
Whether that will happen with Coach Nelson at the helm is unknown at this time but highly questionable.
Whenever I get down about how long it may take, I think of the football program and how the right coach changed absolutely everything in short order.
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Post by trimster on Feb 15, 2022 14:26:06 GMT -5
There seems to be an occasional backdoor cut, a few yesterday, and the cutter is open. But the pass is not made Only 3 teams in D1 average fewer than our 8.8 assists per game.
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Post by crusader1970 on Feb 15, 2022 14:36:46 GMT -5
There seems to be an occasional backdoor cut, a few yesterday, and the cutter is open. But the pass is not made Only 3 teams in D1 average fewer than our 8.8 assists per game. Unfortunately, not a surprise.
Assists rarely come about when your offense is primarily based upon going one on one against your defender.
It would be really interesting to find out what % of our assists are on three point shots. I bet it is a good portion of those 8.8 assists per game. The only quick ball movement we normally get is when we whip it around the perimeter..
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 15, 2022 14:53:32 GMT -5
Blah, blah, blah as always L Thanks for your kind remarks. It's like reading a bad review at Sardi's on opening night.
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Post by cmo on Feb 15, 2022 14:54:00 GMT -5
When I see (or experience in person) the absolute chasm in fan experience between PC and Holy Cross games today, it really is hard not to be depressed on how this has all played out. Years ago after HC deemphasized hoops, I thought of going to PC or BC games but I just couldn't do it. I like PC hoops and games. BC never.
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Post by trimster on Feb 15, 2022 15:27:48 GMT -5
When I see (or experience in person) the absolute chasm in fan experience between PC and Holy Cross games today, it really is hard not to be depressed on how this has all played out. It would be interesting to know what the total attendance has been at men's games since the Hart Center opened and what % of that attendance was in its first 5 years from 1975-1980. I believe the first non-sellout happened in 1981.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 15, 2022 15:58:44 GMT -5
It does have that look, but I don't think perception equals reality in this case. Martindale is basically always in the back row, but normally one of the first guys off the bench I watched the end of the game again and noticed American was doing the same thing with their bench. The chairs are set up by the home team and I’m guessing we declare some sort of rule to cause the visitors to leave them that way. One of my teams played at a local high school recently and the chairs were set up the same way. Then the players go out and breathe all over each other for the next two hours in a physical game.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 15, 2022 16:07:42 GMT -5
When I see (or experience in person) the absolute chasm in fan experience between PC and Holy Cross games today, it really is hard not to be depressed on how this has all played out. It would be interesting to know what the total attendance has been at men's games since the Hart Center opened and what % of that attendance was in its first 5 years from 1975-1980. I believe the first non-sellout happened in 1981. CHC8485 get your chart ready....
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 15, 2022 16:16:39 GMT -5
I heard Martindale has been bothered by a thumb injury.... HC looked a bit weary last night, all these games with no real rest might be catching up with them... %15 did a job on us in the pick and roll, I would be interested to see how many points came out of that set by them..When 15 rolled off the screen he would pin the defender..I thought he was holding the defender....I talked at half time with the 2 officials who run the clock and 30 second clock (both friends of mine) and they thought the same thing..Both felt American was taking advantage of all the no calls....And the holding of the rim by Kenney at the end of the first half call was correct, no interference...The ball was not in the "cylinder"..
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Post by cmo on Feb 15, 2022 21:57:54 GMT -5
When I see (or experience in person) the absolute chasm in fan experience between PC and Holy Cross games today, it really is hard not to be depressed on how this has all played out. Could we have been Providence?
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Post by rose22 on Feb 15, 2022 22:29:12 GMT -5
Wondering what Bubba did that was so bad that caused him to be put on ice in the second half? I’d say it’s more about what he doesn’t do.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 15, 2022 22:35:02 GMT -5
When I see (or experience in person) the absolute chasm in fan experience between PC and Holy Cross games today, it really is hard not to be depressed on how this has all played out. Could we have been Providence? We'll nevah know but I don't think it would have been a stretch to think we could have been similar basketball-wise if different decisions were made in O'Kane/Fenwick during the late 1970s.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 15, 2022 23:16:57 GMT -5
How many alums and people in Worcester would be willing to pay the price for tickets that PC charged for tonight’s game against Nova?
Big East ticket prices are not family friendly.
We cannot keep living in the past. But must plan, finance and execute for the future.
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Post by Tom on Feb 16, 2022 8:56:36 GMT -5
When I see (or experience in person) the absolute chasm in fan experience between PC and Holy Cross games today, it really is hard not to be depressed on how this has all played out. Could we have been Providence? Absolutely. If HC was willing to keep up with the Joneses and admit students that don't close to meeting the academic profile of the school like the rest of the Big East, HC could be just like PC in basketball
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Post by trimster on Feb 16, 2022 9:17:36 GMT -5
Could we have been Providence? Absolutely. If HC was willing to keep up with the Joneses and admit students that don't close to meeting the academic profile of the school like the rest of the Big East, HC could be just like PC in basketball You mean like those academic slackards the college was admitting in the mid to late 70’s when HC hoops was gaining some national recognition. You know, the 3 guys chosen as Crusader of the Year, the guy who earned degrees from HC and WPI and the guy who became a PhD. Those types?? I never bought the either/or argument. If we turned out to be Vanderbilt or Northwestern, we could have said this isn’t for us and it’s time to go in a different direction.
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