bpob55
Crusader Century Club
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Post by bpob55 on Feb 13, 2022 21:33:54 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 13, 2022 22:41:54 GMT -5
Why would the new AD wack a coach with a winning record in women's swimming? Only two other sports have winning records, FB and WBB.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 14, 2022 5:26:51 GMT -5
Is he not the husband of Tracy Barlok the VP of Development?
Don’t discount that he’s stepping down via voluntarily for, as they say, “to pursue other interests.”
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 14, 2022 7:48:09 GMT -5
Given the little money HC awards for swimming scollies, I would say he is retiring from coaching swimming. And his wife is higher in the HC TPTB hierarchy than any athletic director.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 14, 2022 7:52:36 GMT -5
Yes, I think they can manage to live off of Tracy's salary if hubby doesn't want to pursue anything more strenuous than golf.
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 14, 2022 10:56:00 GMT -5
Why would the new AD wack a coach with a winning record in women's swimming? Only two other sports have winning records, FB and WBB. Swim coaches are rarely fired anywhere in Northeast for performance...he probably just wants to hit the old links! |
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 14, 2022 11:27:25 GMT -5
I think this job is basically part time (certainly in the off season between March and Sep) - the league championships are coming up this weekend so let's see how our improvement stacks up against the PL competition. Maybe Kit wants to upgrade the program, which it desperately needs, if you're concerned about moving up in the PL
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 14, 2022 16:26:23 GMT -5
I think this job is basically part time (certainly in the off season between March and Sep) - the league championships are coming up this weekend so let's see how our improvement stacks up against the PL competition. Maybe Kit wants to upgrade the program, which it desperately needs, if you're concerned about moving up in the PL I had wondered that too. Two of Marcus' key goals were to increase the compensation of coaches, and more scollies So perhaps swimming & diving are getting a few. |
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Post by HC92 on Feb 18, 2022 6:33:32 GMT -5
We are 9th in both men’s and women’s after two days of competition at the PL Championships.
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Post by alum on Feb 18, 2022 8:22:59 GMT -5
We are 9th in both men’s and women’s after two days of competition at the PL Championships. I am not surprised the academies are leading. This is a sport which attracts the kind of driven kids who might also appreciate Army and Navy. What I want to know is why Bucknell does so well in this sport (currently third for both men and women) and, for that matter in track. I asked Bison about this as to track and he advised that Bucknell does not have men's track scholarships. Do they have them for swimming? |
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Post by HC92 on Feb 18, 2022 10:57:28 GMT -5
Hard to imagine any college with football being able to offer a meaningful number of male scholarships in sports like track or swimming.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 18, 2022 11:55:45 GMT -5
for me 'it's easy to imagine a college with football not being able (or willing) to offer male scholarships in track a/o swimming' - it's called being fiscally responsible and complying with Title IX
What we need is higher coaching salaries and getting coaches with better pedigrees as well as more recruiting dollars - Title IX does not impact these sorts of expenses
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 18, 2022 12:08:24 GMT -5
We are 9th in both men’s and women’s after two days of competition at the PL Championships. I am not surprised the academies are leading. This is a sport which attracts the kind of driven kids who might also appreciate Army and Navy. What I want to know is why Bucknell does so well in this sport (currently third for both men and women) and, for that matter in track. I asked Bison about this as to track and he advised that Bucknell does not have men's track scholarships. Do they have them for swimming? No hockey. |
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Post by HC92 on Feb 18, 2022 12:23:19 GMT -5
We definitely gobble up a lot of precious scholarships in men’s and women’s hockey with very little to show for it. I love hockey but we should be getting a much higher return on that investment. If we dropped hockey and had 20 scholarships for men’s and women's lax, we might be pretty good. I don’t really like the idea as I like hockey more than lax but maybe something to consider.
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Post by alum on Feb 18, 2022 12:55:36 GMT -5
I suppose, as to track and swimming, facilities matter as well. It looks like Bucknell's natatorium is a little newer and better than the Hart Center. Bucknell's indoor track facility is nothing fancy aesthetically but with 200 meters/6 lanes all around/8 lanes for sprinting it blows away our lack of an indoor track facility.
In any event, Bucknell is doing something right.
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Post by bison137 on Feb 18, 2022 13:04:06 GMT -5
I am not surprised the academies are leading. This is a sport which attracts the kind of driven kids who might also appreciate Army and Navy. What I want to know is why Bucknell does so well in this sport (currently third for both men and women) and, for that matter in track. I asked Bison about this as to track and he advised that Bucknell does not have men's track scholarships. Do they have them for swimming? No hockey. Navy has totally dominated PL swimming since they day they joined. Army, although usually 2nd, is a distant also-ran. The Naval Academy brings in about 20 strong swimmers a year and gets enormous support from Admissions, who put a lot of emphasis on athletic prowess in the admissions process. As for Bucknell, they have a few women's scholarships in swimming but none for the men. But they do have a fairly good amount of need-based aid and an ability to give recruits an early decision on admission. Bucknell has been successful in the sport due to a strong swimming tradition, one of the better natatoriums in the nation, good alumni support for recruiting, and a strong coaching staff. The PL Championships, btw, are held only at Navy and Bucknell - which are the two best facilities by a very wide margin. Bucknell's Kinney Natatorium: bucknellbison.com/news/2013/7/19/209105197.aspx |
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 18, 2022 13:31:02 GMT -5
Navy has totally dominated PL swimming since they day they joined. Army, although usually 2nd, is a distant also-ran. The Naval Academy brings in about 20 strong swimmers a year and gets enormous support from Admissions, who put a lot of emphasis on athletic prowess in the admissions process. As for Bucknell, they have a few women's scholarships in swimming but none for the men. But they do have a fairly good amount of need-based aid and an ability to give recruits an early decision on admission. Bucknell has been successful in the sport due to a strong swimming tradition, one of the better natatoriums in the nation, good alumni support for recruiting, and a strong coaching staff. The PL Championships, btw, are held only at Navy and Bucknell - which are the two best facilities by a very wide margin. Bucknell's Kinney Natatorium: bucknellbison.com/news/2013/7/19/209105197.aspxHoly Cross could host at WPI like several other conferences do. Dates might just not work out. |
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Post by bison137 on Feb 18, 2022 13:59:38 GMT -5
Navy has totally dominated PL swimming since they day they joined. Army, although usually 2nd, is a distant also-ran. The Naval Academy brings in about 20 strong swimmers a year and gets enormous support from Admissions, who put a lot of emphasis on athletic prowess in the admissions process. As for Bucknell, they have a few women's scholarships in swimming but none for the men. But they do have a fairly good amount of need-based aid and an ability to give recruits an early decision on admission. Bucknell has been successful in the sport due to a strong swimming tradition, one of the better natatoriums in the nation, good alumni support for recruiting, and a strong coaching staff. The PL Championships, btw, are held only at Navy and Bucknell - which are the two best facilities by a very wide margin. Bucknell's Kinney Natatorium: bucknellbison.com/news/2013/7/19/209105197.aspxHoly Cross could host at WPI like several other conferences do. Dates might just not work out. 1. The WPI facility is not nearly as good as those of Navy and Bucknell. 2. It's extremely unlikely the PL would move a championship to a rented facility on some other school's campus |
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 19, 2022 1:56:05 GMT -5
Holy Cross could host at WPI like several other conferences do. Dates might just not work out. 1. The WPI facility is not nearly as good as those of Navy and Bucknell. 2. It's extremely unlikely the PL would move a championship to a rented facility on some other school's campus That is your opinion (BU only has seating for 500 and WPI is listed at 250) but it does host D-1 conference championships for conferences on par with the PL. The PL is still paying to rent the facility no matter what. |
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Post by bison137 on Feb 19, 2022 9:35:34 GMT -5
1. The WPI facility is not nearly as good as those of Navy and Bucknell. 2. It's extremely unlikely the PL would move a championship to a rented facility on some other school's campus That is your opinion (BU only has seating for 500 and WPI is listed at 250) but it does host D-1 conference championships for conferences on par with the PL. The PL is still paying to rent the facility no matter what. The PL is not paying to rent Bucknell or Navy. And if you think WPI's facility compares to Bucknell or Navy, then you are clueless. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 19, 2022 11:16:16 GMT -5
That is your opinion (BU only has seating for 500 and WPI is listed at 250) but it does host D-1 conference championships for conferences on par with the PL. The PL is still paying to rent the facility no matter what. The PL is not paying to rent Bucknell or Navy. And if you think WPI's facility compares to Bucknell or Navy, then you are clueless. You think the Patriot League isn't paying any rental fee? These are budget items in a conference office. |
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 19, 2022 11:56:55 GMT -5
Meantime, back at the meet, we're firmly stuck in 9th place in both the men and women's standing going into today's final events
I see no reason why we can't emulate how Bucknell operates their program - our annual futility has been going on for 35 years on the PL championships
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bpob55
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Post by bpob55 on Feb 20, 2022 21:00:10 GMT -5
We are 9th in both men’s and women’s after two days of competition at the PL Championships. I am not surprised the academies are leading. This is a sport which attracts the kind of driven kids who might also appreciate Army and Navy. What I want to know is why Bucknell does so well in this sport (currently third for both men and women) and, for that matter in track. I asked Bison about this as to track and he advised that Bucknell does not have men's track scholarships. Do they have them for swimming? Bucknell swimming has a number of advantages over HCSD. First the facilities are not even comparable. This plays a big role in the ability to specialize in training and gives Bucknell many more opportunities to train better than HC does with only 6 lanes compared to somewhere around 24. Secondly Bucknell swim/dive has a much larger budget than that of HCSD. Finally, Bucknell has twice as many coaches as HC, and their coaches are better as well. |
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bpob55
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Post by bpob55 on Feb 20, 2022 21:06:07 GMT -5
Both teams finished ninth with the men beating Colgate and the women beating Lafayette. The men set 10 program records while the women set 4.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 21, 2022 8:26:13 GMT -5
...so both seem to be headed in the right direction with some quality times (for HC) being recorded.
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