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Post by cmo on Feb 19, 2022 15:34:03 GMT -5
Yes, Dorsey cut wide open on that last inbounds pass. Gates froze, then panicked.
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Post by cmo on Feb 19, 2022 15:36:52 GMT -5
Biggest shot of the game? My vote is Dorsey's three from the corner to put us up 50-48 after Navy had just gone ahead for the first time in the second half. Best pass of the game? Gates dish to Louth for the dunk. Worst pass of the game? Gotta be Gates inbound lob pass to no one. I almost went through the TV. Rewatching it, he had a clear pass to a cutting Dorsey and he didn't hit him. Best defensive sequence of the game? Bo Montgomery! Two blocks and a steal in a ten second sequence from 19 secs to 9 secs to save the game. Louth had a block (more of a tip) down the stretch as well, didn't he? He had 2 or 3 tap outs too giving us an extra look.
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Post by classof83 on Feb 19, 2022 15:39:25 GMT -5
American beating Army by 17 with 5 minutes to go in the 2nd half.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 19, 2022 15:39:50 GMT -5
Navy beat Virginia and Virginia beat Duke. We’re better than Duke. Maybe it’s time to revisit bringing Duke to the DCU. 😁 Actually, we're better than pretty much anybody.
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Post by classof83 on Feb 19, 2022 15:49:15 GMT -5
If we can win the Lafayette and Army games we probably can stay out of the first round games
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 19, 2022 15:50:51 GMT -5
That is a big "IF" but one I am rooting for big time.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 19, 2022 16:18:13 GMT -5
Navy had 18 offensive rebounds, a pretty rare occurrence Navy had 24 ORs vs. Towson earlier this year - and lost that game by seventeen.
One way to get a lot of offensive rebounds is to miss a whole bunch of shots. That's what did them in - then, and today.
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Post by sader81 on Feb 19, 2022 16:18:40 GMT -5
the fact that we didn't have a timeout down the stretch almost cost us the game - maybe using them early was important at the time but it's always a risk when there's no plan on those inbound passes I’ve noticed that HC does not utilize inbound plays. Anytime they take the ball out under their hoop, they merely pass it to get it in. Carmody had several, most often resulting in a hoop. FCMB didn’t use them, iirc. That’s not good basketball, imo. Minor details win games, and when you take care of the minor ones, the major ones take care of themselves.
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Post by crusader1970 on Feb 19, 2022 17:04:53 GMT -5
the fact that we didn't have a timeout down the stretch almost cost us the game - maybe using them early was important at the time but it's always a risk when there's no plan on those inbound passes I’ve noticed that HC does not utilize inbound plays. Anytime they take the ball out under their hoop, they merely pass it to get it in. Carmody had several, most often resulting in a hoop. FCMB didn’t use them, iirc. That’s not good basketball, imo. Minor details win games, and when you take care of the minor ones, the major ones take care of themselves. I think our inbounds plays both under our own basket and at crunch time in the backcourt need a bit of work.
It's very surprising to me that most coaches, not just Nelson, do not use a more picks away from the ball to free a player for an inbounds pass in the backcourt.
Jack Donahue used to run a backcourt inbounds play once in a while that worked really well when properly executed. He used to bring all four players into the backcourt, two near the foul line and two near the half court line. As the inbounder was handed the ball the two players at mid court would start to run at the inbounder for three or four steps steps, drawing their men with them. Then one player would hit the brakes and race back down court and the inbounder would throw a long baseball pass to him. Saw it work for layups several times.
One time I will never forget, the player that changed directions was Ed Siudut. The baseball pass was perfect and he caught it at about 5 feet behind the foul line. However, his first dribble went off his toe and started rolling to the corner with Ed in pursuit. By the time he ran it down in the deepest corner, the other players had caught up to the play and were now in the front court. Ed surveyed the situation and, since he had used his dribble, decided his best option was to launch a shot from what is now three point land. So he did. SWISH!
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Post by Chu Chu on Feb 19, 2022 17:31:35 GMT -5
Easy Ed always looked pretty cool and calm.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 19, 2022 17:33:17 GMT -5
Navy is currently KenPom #168.
By my quick check, we have only had two better road wins since RW left — @ #129 Albany in 2017, and @ #131 Albany in 2015 (thank you, Will Brown).
While this is pretty pathetic in one sense, it is also very promising for the future of this extremely young (+short handed ) program.
Go Cross Go!!!
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Feb 19, 2022 18:08:02 GMT -5
Wow, Navy shot 17-64 at home and that's horrendous. Hard to believe that this team beat Virginia and was 18-8 going in. In the PL, just good defense wins a lot of games.
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Post by efg72 on Feb 19, 2022 18:26:30 GMT -5
the fact that we didn't have a timeout down the stretch almost cost us the game - maybe using them early was important at the time but it's always a risk when there's no plan on those inbound passes I’ve noticed that HC does not utilize inbound plays. Anytime they take the ball out under their hoop, they merely pass it to get it in. Carmody had several, most often resulting in a hoop. FCMB didn’t use them, iirc. That’s not good basketball, imo. Minor details win games, and when you take care of the minor ones, the major ones take care of themselves. Called wasted opportunities
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 19, 2022 18:46:35 GMT -5
Out of bounds plays are mostly just get it in...not looking to score.....Basic reason is scouting. Teams know what every opponent will do on inbound plays through video scouting. Most teams have a play or two in their back pocket for end of game situations from different spots on the floor, under their hoop, at half court, under the opponents hoop (after a made shot and a dead ball) and both free throw line extended spots...They get practiced at the end of a lot of practices, maybe not every play every play, but regularly so the players know them....The best way to score on inbounds plays are to do something different, hard to put in new inbound plays for every game....Perhaps a "special" in a key game....i.e. like the long breakaway pass...As a coach you like great when they work, and look like a fool when they don't....
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Post by efg72 on Feb 19, 2022 18:50:17 GMT -5
Out of bounds plays are mostly just get it in...not looking to score.....Basic reason is scouting. Teams know what every opponent will do on inbound plays through video scouting. Most teams have a play or two in their back pocket for end of game situations from different spots on the floor, under their hoop, at half court, under the opponents hoop (after a made shot and a dead ball) and both free throw line extended spots...They get practiced at the end of a lot of practices, maybe not every play every play, but regularly so the players know them....The best way to score on inbounds plays are to do something different, hard to put in new inbound plays for every game....Perhaps a "special" in a key game....i.e. like the long breakaway pass...As a coach you like great when they work, and look like a fool when they don't.... Getting it in is the priority. Coaches worth their salt can create many new and different options to score or gain some matchup opportunity. If it is great vs foolish this group is on the negative side
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Post by hcnation on Feb 19, 2022 18:51:20 GMT -5
Even Sean Kearney had a few good inbound plays
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 19, 2022 19:00:57 GMT -5
Even Sean Kearney had a few good inbound plays He needed them with zero offensive rebounds
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Post by lou on Feb 19, 2022 19:03:20 GMT -5
I keep wondering why Nelson doesn't use OOB plays which his assistant Coach Kennedy has in his playbook. Very strange
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 19, 2022 19:28:45 GMT -5
I remember AB more than once passing the ball off the opponent's back and getting easy baskets.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 19, 2022 20:48:15 GMT -5
I remember AB more than once passing the ball off the opponent's back and getting easy baskets. I remember those plays as well- absolutely outstanding.
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 19, 2022 21:17:53 GMT -5
I remember AB more than once passing the ball off the opponent's back and getting easy baskets. I remember those plays as well- absolutely outstanding. Not a set play, that is a smart player doing it on his own...My daughter did it numerous times in high school, and did it a few times in college....
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Post by hchoops on Feb 19, 2022 21:21:08 GMT -5
Navy is currently KenPom #168. By my quick check, we have only had two better road wins since RW left — @ #129 Albany in 2017, and @ #131 Albany in 2015 (thank you, Will Brown). While this is pretty pathetic in one sense, it is also very promising for the future of this extremely young (+short handed ) program. Go Cross Go!!! True, but we will not be in good shape next year if the one senior does not return.. You left out that Kenpom has us at 346.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2022 21:39:41 GMT -5
I thought SK's team was pretty good O rebounders. Though I try to forget that year as a whole.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 19, 2022 21:50:02 GMT -5
Navy is currently KenPom #168. By my quick check, we have only had two better road wins since RW left — @ #129 Albany in 2017, and @ #131 Albany in 2015 (thank you, Will Brown). While this is pretty pathetic in one sense, it is also very promising for the future of this extremely young (+short handed ) program. Go Cross Go!!! True, but we will not be in good shape next year if the one senior does not return.. You left out that Kenpom has us at 346. 1) That KenPom ranking is grossly overweighted to the OOC & first third of pL play which was basically a different basketball team than what HC has been for the last 9 games. 2) Colgate loses the 3 guys in their starting backcourt + their first guard off the bench. BU loses all 5 starters. Navy loses 3 starters. Those three teams are ranked 54-34-66 in KenPom experience, HC is ranked 322 (the lowest in the pL by a significant margin). Of course I would LOVE (!!!) to have Gates back next year, but I also think we are building towards being able to have a more balanced attack with Bo continuing to develop into an all-pL player, Luc not having to spend so much time as the primary PG, Kenny making a big Frosh-Soph leap, etc. etc. The future success of this program goes beyond one man, as it should. If we lose Gates, that also means Nelson has a scholarship in his holster this spring, which has been a very powerful weapon the last couple years.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 19, 2022 22:10:16 GMT -5
The sky is only blue in Caroland, at least after one in a row. You cited Navy’s Kenpom rating. I thought that meant you thought it was valid,
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