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Post by rgs318 on Feb 19, 2022 14:27:11 GMT -5
Massey makes Lafayette a 6 point favorite (71-66) with a 68% chance for the win.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 19, 2022 14:54:42 GMT -5
Massey makes Lafayette a 6 point favorite (71-66) with a 68% chance for the win. HC is making mincemeat out of Massey.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 19, 2022 15:43:21 GMT -5
Yup...and I love it!
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Post by cmo on Feb 19, 2022 16:38:08 GMT -5
Did we fly down to navy ?
A bus from HC to Navy to Lafayette seems easier.,
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 19, 2022 16:46:42 GMT -5
Did we fly down to navy ? A bus from HC to Navy to Lafayette seems easier., Best to run this by Prof. Matheson.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 19, 2022 16:50:39 GMT -5
Did we fly down to navy ? A bus from HC to Navy to Lafayette seems easier., Or ideally a flight to Navy then getting picked up by a Silver Fox in MD. Today’s win would be even more impressive if the team spent 7-8 hours on a bus Friday.
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Post by cmo on Feb 19, 2022 16:52:22 GMT -5
Yeah, that makes more sense
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 19, 2022 17:39:45 GMT -5
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Post by efg72 on Feb 19, 2022 18:36:40 GMT -5
Not there yet
We had such a ridiculously crappy start, expectations were down to zero
Looking at expectations before the season might say this is where we should have been five games ago
In fairness we played yet another season without a point guard
So bandwagon not yet, because most of us expected at least one playoff win. If we get that win, whether a play in or quarterfinal, then we can discuss a bandwagon
Think the kids are resilient, but still not sold on the fundamentals of the staff. Think stock market, you don’t worry about fluctuations as long as the business fundamentals are sound— optimistic but far from convinced
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 19, 2022 18:51:03 GMT -5
Not there yet We had such a ridiculously crappy start, expectations were down to zero Looking at expectations before the season might say this is where we should have been five games ago In fairness we played yet another season without a point guard So bandwagon not yet, because most of us expected at least one playoff win. If we get that win, whether a play in or quarterfinal, then we can discuss a bandwagon Think the kids are resilient, but still not sold on the fundamentals of the staff. Think stock market, you don’t worry about fluctuations as long as the business fundamentals are sound— optimistic but far from convinced We are 6-3 in our last 9 games, including 3 road wins If we go 2-1 this week to finish the regular season on an 8-4 run (with only 1 bad loss to American), will that be good enough to show that the first 60% of the season was due to inexperience versus poor coaching?
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Post by efg72 on Feb 19, 2022 19:06:01 GMT -5
I think the first half might be attributed to a degree of inexperience and a lack of coaching Second half coaching deserves some credit, but more about player resiliency and desire to win
Clearly a degree of maturation by Nelson, but I honestly expected this level of development back in December
Was that unfair, I don’t think so, but again it is an opinion
I will consider the season far less than positive if we lose a playin game and more acceptable if get to the quarters and lose a one or two possession game
If we get to the semis I will say the end result was influenced by much improved coaching
I am a tough but fair grader
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 19, 2022 19:25:40 GMT -5
Lafayette lost a tough one to Bucknell today...Funk hit a 3 at the end of regulation to put it into OT..Falling out of bounds as the shot clock wound down from 2.2 seconds from the corner....How will they bounce back? and HC wins a tough one, gaining confidence...3 points for the home court at Lafayette so we are a 3 pointer down.....Overall I like how the team is playing, just wish they wouldn't get so single minded of going only to Gates in the last 5 minutes...GAtes, Luc and Bo have been shouldering the scoring, and Kenney, Bo and Dorsey have keyed the D...It is a good mix..Now if Judson can get his swagger back......
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 19, 2022 19:31:25 GMT -5
I think the first half might be attributed to a degree of inexperience and a lack of coaching Second half coaching deserves some credit, but more about player resiliency and desire to win Clearly a degree of maturation by Nelson, but I honestly expected this level of development back in December Was that unfair, I don’t think so, but again it is an opinion I will consider the season far less than positive if we lose a playin game and more acceptable if get to the quarters and lose a one or two possession game If we get to the semis I will say the end result was influenced by much improved coaching I am a tough but fair grader I’m currently watching Loyola Chicago (20-5 this year) play Drake on ESPN2 in their beautiful arena (I would have taken a basketball upgrade like this over an indoor practice football field 7 days a week & twice on Sunday, but I digress) — the head coach who fueled the resurgence of their program (Porter Moser) would have been fired by AD EFG after he went 10-22 in his third year (after going 7-23 & 15-16 in Years 1 & 2, respectively).
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 19, 2022 19:39:49 GMT -5
Sister Jean would have overruled AD EFG.
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Post by efg72 on Feb 19, 2022 19:44:30 GMT -5
Perhaps bbc but each situation is different If Nelson was open and transparent from day 1 my guess is many would be more forgiving and willing to call this progress
Unfortunately he opted not to engage and build holy cross community support, so today he struggles -at least in my opinion
We are starving to believe the future is now and he can get us on top, but he left a ton of good will on the table
His colleague on the football side reaches out to many, and willingness to jump onboard right away to embrace and support was natural and easy
For Nelson it is natural but not as easy
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 19, 2022 19:48:26 GMT -5
Loyola Chicago only has six men’s sports teams. Basketball, Cross Country, Soccer, Volleyball, Golf, Track and Field. Gentile Arena appears to be a nice place to play a game. Wish that the original Hart had been built in a similar style, however, there is no way, I would trade the Luth Complex and the IPF for Gentile. A total of Three intercollegiate varsity competition venues for their athletic teams. Loyola like so many schools has only one team for their bandwagon. Maybe two if you add men’s volleyball. loyolaramblers.com/facilities
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Post by spenser on Feb 19, 2022 20:04:16 GMT -5
I think the first half might be attributed to a degree of inexperience and a lack of coaching Second half coaching deserves some credit, but more about player resiliency and desire to win Clearly a degree of maturation by Nelson, but I honestly expected this level of development back in December Was that unfair, I don’t think so, but again it is an opinion I will consider the season far less than positive if we lose a playin game and more acceptable if get to the quarters and lose a one or two possession game If we get to the semis I will say the end result was influenced by much improved coaching I am a tough but fair grader I’m currently watching Loyola Chicago (20-5 this year) play Drake on ESPN2 in their beautiful arena (I would have taken a basketball upgrade like this over an indoor practice football field 7 days a week & twice on Sunday, but I digress) — the head coach who fueled the resurgence of their program (Porter Moser) would have been fired by AD EFG after he went 10-22 in his third year (after going 7-23 & 15-16 in Years 1 & 2, respectively). Come on!! Everyone on this Board knows that, what you term a football field, is used by many more sports than just football. I tend to be closer to your position regarding Coach Nelson than to the fire him position, at least after this late season run. By posting foolishness you only serve to discredit your position
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Post by efg72 on Feb 19, 2022 20:19:48 GMT -5
Spenser I didn’t say he should be gone, but I did say the run we are on doesn’t make this a successful season-at least not yet Hope it has a positive ending
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 19, 2022 20:20:46 GMT -5
I’m currently watching Loyola Chicago (20-5 this year) play Drake on ESPN2 in their beautiful arena (I would have taken a basketball upgrade like this over an indoor practice football field 7 days a week & twice on Sunday, but I digress) — the head coach who fueled the resurgence of their program (Porter Moser) would have been fired by AD EFG after he went 10-22 in his third year (after going 7-23 & 15-16 in Years 1 & 2, respectively). Come on!! Everyone on this Board knows that, what you term a football field, is used by many more sports than just football. I tend to be closer to your position regarding Coach Nelson than to the fire him position, at least after this late season run. By posting foolishness you only serve to discredit your position I don’t care if the indoor field is used by the Pope, I’d still rather have a basketball arena like Loyola has.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 19, 2022 20:21:46 GMT -5
Loyola Chicago only has six men’s sports teams. Basketball, Cross Country, Soccer, Volleyball, Golf, Track and Field. Gentile Arena appears to be a nice place to play a game. Wish that the original Hart had been built in a similar style, however, there is no way, I would trade the Luth Complex and the IPF for Gentile. A total of Three intercollegiate varsity competition venues for their athletic teams. Loyola like so many schools has only one team for their bandwagon. loyolaramblers.com/facilitiesCan't help but compare that to some Parish and Diocesan Catholic High Schools, located where the working class Catholics were located without acres of land for playing fields and often used city or town facilities but turned out some great teams. Perhaps Loyola of Chicago grew out of that same mindset. HC is kind of a blend. We don't have bucolic open space like a Colgate and are located in a city where the working class Catholics are, but have maximized campus space to provide some great facilities. The two Hart Arenas, perhaps the front door of the college to some sports fans, are adequate but won't be appearing in Architectural Digest anytime soon.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 19, 2022 21:01:22 GMT -5
The indoor practice football field is an extraordinary asset for HC football and other sports. To downplay that is just baffling
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2022 21:09:54 GMT -5
Working class Catholics "Blue Collar" aren't going to HC unless they play BB / FB
BTW does anyone know how many Catholics make up the BB / FB team?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 19, 2022 21:12:44 GMT -5
One has to look at the intercollegiate facility architecture for era that the Hart Center was originally built in 1975. Far different than the concept for a new footprint and design from the ground up in the 21st Century building.
When the Hart was originally built many college teams were playing on outdoor ice rinks, some uncovered. While the rink is inadequate now, almost 50 years later, at the time of construction it was on the level of facilities for our peer institutions with new construction.
It was unfortunate that the administration in the 1990’s and early 2000’s sat on their hands and did not aggressively seek to do a major facility upgrade during that 20 year period as the building began to show its age. But in other ways it was a blessing in disguise. We may not have had the IPF, the Doran Auditorium, The Blaney Gym, the Togo Pallazzi Film Room, the Smith Performance Center, as well as the integrated offices suites under one roof for all varsity team coaches.
While it has detractors on this board, by a few who seem always disgruntled, the overwhelming majority of colleges, particularly private institutions, with an enrollment of under 5,000 would give their eye teeth to have such a facility available to them for varsity training and competition.
For those that sees warts on the complex, fine, that is their prerogative, however, they really need to travel throughout the US and Canada to do an on-site inspection of a school’s entire athletic physical plant. They would come away with an appreciation of the Luth Complex.
Fortunately the BOT now has a vision to correct the inadequacy of the past, and hopefully get shovels in the ground for the new softball complex as well as an upgraded Smith Stadium to host Soccer and Lacrosse within the next couple of years.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 19, 2022 21:32:11 GMT -5
www.davidson.edu/news/2021/09/09/athletics-done-right-davidson-announces-new-facilitiesWhile former Colonial Football League member, Davidson College has much for Holy Cross to mirror, and to emulate especially their USNWR ranking, they are behind HC in so many ways regarding their athletic plant.facilities. Take a look at the video in the link above. After reviewing their article and video, their plan campaign of 45 million, for athletic plant upgrades is less than half of what HC spent for the already constructed Luth Complex, including the “Jo”. It will be interesting to see their final designs for the upgrades they are contemplating.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 19, 2022 21:55:14 GMT -5
Working class Catholics "Blue Collar" aren't going to HC unless they play BB / FB BTW does anyone know how many Catholics make up the BB / FB team? Well they could get significant financial aid if they were lucky enough to be among the 85% of students that HC meets 100% of financial need for. However that 85% probably includes all full players so HC probably only meets 100% of need for about half the students who have a need. And that I believe is the higher academically qualified half. But back to your point, I was thinking of older smaller Catholic High Schools, many of whom are now closed, which were started on a no frills basis. I get the sense some Catholic Colleges were started with the same frugal mindset.
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