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Post by hchoops on Feb 23, 2022 22:38:08 GMT -5
Coach did a fine job of getting the ball to GG.after we went down by 19. But the substitutions at the 4 position in the last 8-10 minutes were baffling to me If you watched closely, when Kenney was in the game at he 4, whoever was guarding him, one of the 2 bigs, just sat in the lane guarding the hoop. Never going to the outside with Kenney, whois very limited beyond about 6 feet...When Nelson went with Martindale at the 4 and Dorsey at the 3 along with Gates Luc and Bo, Lehigh had to extend their d and guard everybody..This opened the lane and gave Gates some room away from the doubles he was seeing in the first half...At one point, Woodson was playing Dorsey, Dorsey hit a 3, Lehigh had to get Woodson out of the game...Martindale still has trouble defending, but he can stretch the D and score off the bounce as he did tonight...I thought it was a very good move by the staff to go with that group, and they closed the big lead to 3.... Tonight was one of the better played games we have seen in a while at the Hart..HC gave the best team in the PL all they could handle..this group has gotten so much better as the season has moved on! The sophomores have now played about 30 games, a full season, and their play is showing up....NO give up in this team!! Mike R. is done for the season, and ankle problem that he has been trying to play thru...HC shut him down, they want him to heal.... Tonight was one of the few the games that I have noticed Coach Nelson really on the officials, they did not have a good night, very inconsistent...during one TV timeout, coach Kennedy spent the entire TO talking to one of the refs, I haven[t seen the stats, but it seemed like Colgate shot about 20 more free throws than HC. Colgate is the best team in the league. They do everything well on both ends of the floor, and everybody can shoot the ball.... Valid point about the spacing, but 1-Kenney had 8 points, almost all, I believe, on passes at the rim from Gates after Gates was doubled by Kenney’s defender. 2- Kenney can defend and rebound ( defensive and offensive-5) against a 4 man, Martindale cannot. 3- Martindale made two nice drives. The first when the game was still undecided, the second, Colgate allowed him to go. Kenney drives more effectively. And what do you think of HC letting the clock run down in the last 3+ minutes when we were down 7-8 with no double teaming ? Not the first time.
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Post by trimster on Feb 24, 2022 8:20:51 GMT -5
Colgate had a lot to with letting us hang around with absolutely horrible foul shooting in the second half. They left the door open. Are you saying that Colgate tried to throw this game by "letting us hang around?" That is quite a leap of faith. We have seen these players refuse to knuckle under in other games. Yes, Colgate shot badly from the line, but could it be that HC coming back as they did rattled them a bit? It was certainly unexpected after the way the first half ended. Do you give HC any credit for what they did in the second half? Not sure how you make the leap from Colgate letting us hang around by missing so many freebies to trying to throw the game. To answer your questions, no, no and yes but if Colgate were on from the line, my guess is they maintain a comfortable 12-15 point lead throughout the second half. As I said, I will give HC credit for not getting blown out in the second half.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 24, 2022 8:25:29 GMT -5
This was a game that looked at the end of the first half it would again get out of control as it did at Hamilton. These Crusaders refused to let that happen. I did not like the final outcome, but it was great to watch them play. Hopefully they end the regular season with a win. Ho?w much worse would the outcome have been if CU had played Records 5 more minutes, which would not have been an unreasonable total
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 24, 2022 8:39:45 GMT -5
Records another example of a kid that has steadily improved over 3 years.
I too was curious/annoyed by watching CU drain so much time off the clock. Also wondered why Louth was put on ice (again).
Did really like the effort, though. I only hope it pays off down the road.
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Post by dadominate on Feb 24, 2022 9:10:47 GMT -5
admirable effort, but definitely a missed an opportunity in light of colgate's atrocious free throw shooting that good teams would capitalize upon.
worth stating yet again that gates is a heck of a player.
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Post by trimster on Feb 24, 2022 9:18:56 GMT -5
Are you saying that Colgate tried to throw this game by "letting us hang around?" That is quite a leap of faith. We have seen these players refuse to knuckle under in other games. Yes, Colgate shot badly from the line, but could it be that HC coming back as they did rattled them a bit? It was certainly unexpected after the way the first half ended. Do you give HC any credit for what they did in the second half? Not sure how you make the leap from Colgate letting us hang around by missing so many freebies to trying to throw the game. To answer your questions, no, no and yes but if Colgate were on from the line, my guess is they maintain a comfortable 12-15 point lead throughout the second half. As I said, I will give HC credit for not getting blown out in the second half. I just watched the last 12 minutes again and over a long stretch, HC made 9-10 field goals so I should have given the team a lot more credit for doing so. That was very impressive. Also, my statement about Colgate running 80 seconds off the clock in the last 3 minutes was on the high side. It was more like 40 but imho, still 40 seconds too much.
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Post by trimster on Feb 24, 2022 9:29:30 GMT -5
HC had 18 assists last night. That might be a season high in D1 games.
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Post by crusader1970 on Feb 24, 2022 10:52:34 GMT -5
Our first foul to stop the clock comes at 15.4 seconds, down 7 Totally agree. Totally too late and useless.
Sometimes it just makes one wonder what our coach is doing.
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Post by sader81 on Feb 24, 2022 11:03:25 GMT -5
HC let Gate get on a run and built a lead in the first half; horrible no call against Luc where he lost the ball after getting whacked- led to a hoop, then a couple bad shot decisions by GG and others. Other than that, was a pretty even game. While I rather have had a W, a good effort by the guys shows them that they can compete with anyone in the league. Depending of which team shows up, they may be a tough out in the PL tourney.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 24, 2022 11:05:52 GMT -5
HC had 18 assists last night. That might be a season high in D1 games. Highest this year, and since 12/1/2019 (18 vs. Hofstra).
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Post by Tom on Feb 24, 2022 11:31:53 GMT -5
Depending of which team shows up, they may be a tough out in the PL tourney. That's a huge rub. HC looked good against the teams currently ranked 1 and 2 this week. They also looked pretty horrible against T7 Lafayette and T9 American in the last week and a half. Consistency comes with experience, but right now this team is anything but consistent.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 24, 2022 11:41:25 GMT -5
Our first foul to stop the clock comes at 15.4 seconds, down 7 Totally agree. Totally too late and useless.
Sometimes it just makes one wonder what our coach is doing.
Sometimes it just makes me wonder if people actually pay attention to the games or are just looking for anything to complain about HCBN? HC was down 7 with 53 seconds remaining -- Colgate had a 99%+ chance of winning the game at this point. HCBN decided to play the next possession out on defense, rather than foul and give Colgate the chance to stretch the lead to 9 with under a minute left. HC got a stop on that possession and got the ball back with 32 seconds left, still down by 7. HC then missed a three, the rebound went out of bounds off a Colgate defender, HC missed another 3 and then fouled the rebounder with 15 seconds left. A much different situation than the illusion that HCBN and staff sat around watching the seconds tick away until they decided to foul when the game was already out of reach. We traded Colgate having a chance to grow their lead to 9 with 50 seconds left (game is almost completely over) with us having a chance to cut the lead to 4 with ~25 seconds left. There are certainly areas where Nelson can be criticized, but this ain't one of them.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 24, 2022 12:36:38 GMT -5
Agree with your entire post, Caro. Nelson's decision would have worked out perfectly if Luth hit the three to cut it to four with ~25 seconds left.
The problem I had is that there seems to be a serious lack of urgency beginning at the under four media timeout (71-63 with 3:25 remaining). Nelson was content with letting Colgate get away with easy possessions where, even if they didn't score, they were comfortably taking up 20+ seconds of the shot clock.
From 3:02 - 2:23, Colgate held onto the ball (missed shoot at 2:43, which led to an offensive rebound. Cummings shot was blocked then at 2:23). Chewing up 40 seconds is better than a quick score.
From 2:14 - 1:46, Colgate had the ball and Cummings hit a layup. 28 seconds off the clock and two points added to Colgate's total.
From 1:29 - 1:06, Colgate had the ball and Records hit a layup. 23 seconds off the clock and two points added to Colgate's total.
At this point, it's a nine point game with 1:06 remaining. The game is over.
Nelson should have been much more aggressive from 3:02 - 1:06.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 24, 2022 13:03:06 GMT -5
Caro, Perhaps you could explain Nelson usually staying with the full court man defense throughout games with no double teams even when down a few at the end. It does not affect the offense, other than sometimes giving them a number advantage if the dribbler beats our defender. As far as I can recall, no recent coach of note has played this defense so consistently.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 24, 2022 16:50:48 GMT -5
Agree with your entire post, Caro. Nelson's decision would have worked out perfectly if Luth hit the three to cut it to four with ~25 seconds left. The problem I had is that there seems to be a serious lack of urgency beginning at the under four media timeout (71-63 with 3:25 remaining). Nelson was content with letting Colgate get away with easy possessions where, even if they didn't score, they were comfortably taking up 20+ seconds of the shot clock. From 3:02 - 2:23, Colgate held onto the ball (missed shoot at 2:43, which led to an offensive rebound. Cummings shot was blocked then at 2:23). Chewing up 40 seconds is better than a quick score. From 2:14 - 1:46, Colgate had the ball and Cummings hit a layup. 28 seconds off the clock and two points added to Colgate's total. From 1:29 - 1:06, Colgate had the ball and Records hit a layup. 23 seconds off the clock and two points added to Colgate's total. At this point, it's a nine point game with 1:06 remaining. The game is over. Nelson should have been much more aggressive from 3:02 - 1:06. We cut the lead to 4 with 5:45 left (67-63), and were playing quite well. Colgate scored the next 4 points before your convenient cut-off point above, which is when I guess you wanted Nelson to ditch what had been working well to start trapping a team of Seniors & Juniors and thinking that would cause them to break down for the final 3+ minutes of the game? Our biggest problem down the stretch was our offense -- after Gates made the shot at 5:45 to cut the lead to 4, we didn't have another field goal until Gates made a layup at the 1:34 mark (with only one free throw in between). Winning a game when you're down 8 with 3+ minutes left would require an extremely efficient offense that can get points on virtually all remaining possessions. We clearly didn't have that, and short of Colgate throwing the ball all over the gym and/or missing every free throw, fouling earlier was not actually going to help as it would have just resulted in greater separation that we could not keep up with. What we really needed was another strong scoring option other than Gates in the final 5-6 minutes.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 24, 2022 17:34:33 GMT -5
Attendance—692
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Post by efg72 on Feb 24, 2022 17:37:48 GMT -5
What will it take, other than winning more games, to significantly improve support and attendance?
if we had a full house every home game, how many points is that worth, more in mindset of the players that the students/ school/community actually care about the team and the game.
when the AD and coaches figure out the right formula our teams will compete for the title every season if not more. Knowing what you do is valued matters!
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Post by cmo on Feb 24, 2022 18:03:19 GMT -5
The full house helps recruiting too
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 24, 2022 20:30:25 GMT -5
Agree with your entire post, Caro. Nelson's decision would have worked out perfectly if Luth hit the three to cut it to four with ~25 seconds left. The problem I had is that there seems to be a serious lack of urgency beginning at the under four media timeout (71-63 with 3:25 remaining). Nelson was content with letting Colgate get away with easy possessions where, even if they didn't score, they were comfortably taking up 20+ seconds of the shot clock. From 3:02 - 2:23, Colgate held onto the ball (missed shoot at 2:43, which led to an offensive rebound. Cummings shot was blocked then at 2:23). Chewing up 40 seconds is better than a quick score. From 2:14 - 1:46, Colgate had the ball and Cummings hit a layup. 28 seconds off the clock and two points added to Colgate's total. From 1:29 - 1:06, Colgate had the ball and Records hit a layup. 23 seconds off the clock and two points added to Colgate's total. At this point, it's a nine point game with 1:06 remaining. The game is over. Nelson should have been much more aggressive from 3:02 - 1:06. We cut the lead to 4 with 5:45 left (67-63), and were playing quite well. Colgate scored the next 4 points before your convenient cut-off point above, which is when I guess you wanted Nelson to ditch what had been working well to start trapping a team of Seniors & Juniors and thinking that would cause them to break down for the final 3+ minutes of the game? Our biggest problem down the stretch was our offense -- after Gates made the shot at 5:45 to cut the lead to 4, we didn't have another field goal until Gates made a layup at the 1:34 mark (with only one free throw in between). Winning a game when you're down 8 with 3+ minutes left would require an extremely efficient offense that can get points on virtually all remaining possessions. We clearly didn't have that, and short of Colgate throwing the ball all over the gym and/or missing every free throw, fouling earlier was not actually going to help as it would have just resulted in greater separation that we could not keep up with. What we really needed was another strong scoring option other than Gates in the final 5-6 minutes. So you manage a game the same way for 40 minutes, rather than adapting to time and score? I guess Nelson is as bad as I thought.
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 25, 2022 11:17:42 GMT -5
Caro, Perhaps you could explain Nelson usually staying with the full court man defense throughout games with no double teams even when down a few at the end. It does not affect the offense, other than sometimes giving them a number advantage if the dribbler beats our defender. As far as I can recall, no recent coach of note has played this defense so consistently. Colgate is tough to double because they shoot the 3 so effectively. RJ Evans spoke to season ticket holders before the game, I asked if they were planning on doubling the Gate bigs. He said no, Colgate shoots the 3 at about 45%, so it makes better sense to stay home, double and they will kick it to the open man for a wide open 3 who will probably not miss…
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Post by bison137 on Feb 25, 2022 11:24:56 GMT -5
Caro, Perhaps you could explain Nelson usually staying with the full court man defense throughout games with no double teams even when down a few at the end. It does not affect the offense, other than sometimes giving them a number advantage if the dribbler beats our defender. As far as I can recall, no recent coach of note has played this defense so consistently. Colgate is tough to double because they shoot the 3 so effectively. RJ Evans spoke to season ticket holders before the game, I asked if they were planning on doubling the Gate bigs. He said no, Colgate shoots the 3 at about 45%, so it makes better sense to stay home, double and they will kick it to the open man for a wide open 3 who will probably not miss… He was not exactly accurate. They actually shoot it at 39%, which is still quite good. But only one team in the nation shoots much above 40%.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 25, 2022 14:17:49 GMT -5
We cut the lead to 4 with 5:45 left (67-63), and were playing quite well. Colgate scored the next 4 points before your convenient cut-off point above, which is when I guess you wanted Nelson to ditch what had been working well to start trapping a team of Seniors & Juniors and thinking that would cause them to break down for the final 3+ minutes of the game? Our biggest problem down the stretch was our offense -- after Gates made the shot at 5:45 to cut the lead to 4, we didn't have another field goal until Gates made a layup at the 1:34 mark (with only one free throw in between). Winning a game when you're down 8 with 3+ minutes left would require an extremely efficient offense that can get points on virtually all remaining possessions. We clearly didn't have that, and short of Colgate throwing the ball all over the gym and/or missing every free throw, fouling earlier was not actually going to help as it would have just resulted in greater separation that we could not keep up with. What we really needed was another strong scoring option other than Gates in the final 5-6 minutes. So you manage a game the same way for 40 minutes, rather than adapting to time and score? I guess Nelson is as bad as I thought. Ah yes, just totally ignore the number of close, down-to-the-wire games that HCBN's team has won over the last month. You definitely know more about basketball than him, and he should have followed your advice to panic with 4 minutes left.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 25, 2022 16:15:17 GMT -5
So you manage a game the same way for 40 minutes, rather than adapting to time and score? I guess Nelson is as bad as I thought. he should have followed your advice to panic with 4 minutes left. Nope, not panic. Just change his approach down eight with 3:25 remaining. Letting Colgate comfortably use 20+ seconds of the shot clock didn't seem very wise.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 25, 2022 16:36:14 GMT -5
Not the basketball expert that many of you obviously are but I was getting very frustrated when we let 'gate run clock off especially when they seemed to be in a foul shooting funk and we needed to make up a deficit.
What the heck do I know? I think Austin Lewis should get some playing time and not just when we are down 25 points and 3 minutes are left. But as Kennedy said, his time will come.
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Post by efg72 on Feb 25, 2022 16:42:43 GMT -5
Not the basketball expert that many of you obviously are but I was getting very frustrated when we let 'gate run clock off especially when they seemed to be in a foul shooting funk and we needed to make up a deficit. What the heck do I know? I think Austin Lewis should get some playing time and not just when we are down 25 points and 3 minutes are left. But as Kennedy said, his time will come. While he might not be strong enough yet, I agree Lewis should have seen more minutes this year. Offensively I think he could have been a threat and appears, albeit after about 4 minutes in D1 games, to move reasonably well around the basket If he leaves, I think he is a potential big loss down the road
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