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Post by joe on Nov 12, 2016 18:04:58 GMT -5
Fordham is bigger.
Fordham is leaner.
Fordham is faster.
Fordham has more talent.
Fordham has more depth.
Fordham has a better offensive plan.
Fordham has a better defensive plan.
Fordham is playing harder.
No wonder why we have so many injuries. We will never compete with the current player and coaching profile. Simply impossible.
Ok this is coming from someone who has erred on the side of hope and positivity, and this is about as blunt as I can state it:
The program needs to seize this moment to evaluate it if should continue along the road of D1 scholarship football. If the answer is yes, the program needs to be gutted and started anew. If the answer is no, we need to downgrade to another conference or hold hands with Georgetown, the only team we can compete with anymore, and drop football. I don't care how many 5th year seniors are returning, we've regressed to the point where the fastest we can expect to rebuild in order to compete with Lehigh, Colgate, and Fordham is 4 or 5 years. As for the many strong OOC teams we have coming up, God help us. The guys who are out on that field tonight getting humiliated deserve much more.
And real classy of Fordham to run up the score. Real nice.
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Post by jflare on Nov 12, 2016 18:05:29 GMT -5
Wow. Pretty discouraging game. Fordham, Lehigh and Colgate are miles ahead of us in all aspects. Team is small and slow, Enough said !!
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 12, 2016 18:09:34 GMT -5
we have to face the obvious facts that we have not attracted athletes good enough to compete for the league championship in the pl. we have to find a way to get bigger and faster across the board
otherwise it will be more of the same.
i see no reason why we should not be competing with the caa for recruits. if we can't..... i don't want to say what i'm thinking
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Post by jflare on Nov 12, 2016 18:09:39 GMT -5
As I have said many times,we have been playing Division 1 football for over 120 years. We are not downgrading to another conference or level.
We need to get better players that play better. Very simple solution. We also need the people in charge who will get that done.
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Post by deep Purple on Nov 12, 2016 18:15:38 GMT -5
I think the ahtist formerly known as Indianhoop has called it right with TG. He'd probably be a good Ivy League coach at Cornell, Columbia, etc but he's not a D1 schollie coach.
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Post by hc89 on Nov 12, 2016 18:18:16 GMT -5
He'd probably be a good Ivy League coach at Cornell, Columbia, etc... Doubtful... |
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Post by sarasota on Nov 12, 2016 18:33:29 GMT -5
Deep- Wade or someone else if some young phenom shows up either via recuiting or transfer.
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Post by sarasota on Nov 12, 2016 18:36:05 GMT -5
I don't fault FU for the score. They're trying for a playoff bid. Thanks to the NCAA Monster Monopoly's rules, we are prohibited from doing what's best for HC: Keep bball as DI Scholarship and go D2 (or D3) for all other sports. All non-DI sports will be competitive, fun for the players (losing is not fun), more interesting for fans. Maybe some day before I die the NCAA chain will be severed. We are a small academy on a hill in Worcester, Massachusetts. The glory days are gone forever, never to return. Get over it.
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Post by HCFC45 on Nov 12, 2016 19:16:35 GMT -5
We re not going D2,3 or eliminating football, considering the future schedule!
AD NP was in a tough spot. He could not let go the basketball coach and then the football coach, one after the other.
So, it appears to me that he gave a "what appears to be" (call it what you want) contract extension to CTG, contingent on what you do during the 2016 season.
We now know the results of this season! Not good!!!
A complete and total overhaul of the football coaching staff needs to be made now!!!
If this does not happen, (and soon), football at HC is in for some rough times!!
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Post by bigfan on Nov 12, 2016 19:23:55 GMT -5
After watching this game, I believe that some of our players quit. We need better assistant coaches and much better athletes. With the athletes that we have been bringing in we could not win in Div 2.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 12, 2016 20:13:18 GMT -5
4th and 2 play in the first quarter. We have a blocker clearly assigned to a defender. The blocker is shooed away by the tackler so easily that it was almost like the blocker disappeared. Lack or strength or lack of effort or both. Poor coaching only in the sense that the coaches recruited the guy. I won't say who.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 12, 2016 20:21:11 GMT -5
4th and 2 play in the first quarter. We have a blocker clearly assigned to a defender. The blocker is shooed away by the tackler so easily that it was almost like the blocker disappeared. Lack or strength or lack of effort or both. Poor coaching only in the sense that the coaches recruited the guy. I won't say who. Whatever the reason we're not very good at football, it's on the coaches. Individual plays you can blame on players. Years of overall ineptitude you blame on coaches. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 12, 2016 20:43:15 GMT -5
Fordham was an unreal 29-35 passing today for 453 yards , 13 yards per passing attempt. But get this, for the season our opponent QB's completed 66.2% of their passes and had an efficiency rating of 147.97----compare that to Dom Randolph's senior year where he completed 63.9 % of his passes, got 7.8 yards per attempt, and had an efficiency of 146.26. So, essentially, on average our defense played as if we were facing a Dom Randolph calibre QB every game......
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 12, 2016 22:16:02 GMT -5
Just back from the game. This was a most humiliating loss that I think I have ever seen for a Holy Cross football team in well over 40 years of watching.
I understand losing to Syracuse by this kind of score but we are on a level playing field with Fordham (I don't want to hear the usual cr@p about they can get players past admissions that we can't, and I don't want to hear about injuries - every team has them but not year after year after year. One year or two and we can chalk it up to bad luck, but not this.).
Here was an indication of the low opinion that the Rams had of Holy Cross: They are up 21-0 in the 2nd quarter and they have a 4th and 2 on their own 32 yard line. Time to punt, right? No. Edwards gets the ball and runs left and shrugs off an HC defender and runs 8 yards for a first down. They eventually continue down the field for a 4th TD with the high point for us: they miss the extra point.
Today the Rams outcoached us, out game-planned us, out played us in every aspect of the game. Wide open Ram receivers aplenty and missed and broken tackles too frequent to count by the Crusaders. Wade can be an excellent quarterback but we have an experienced offensive line that looks like they met for the first time last week and RBs that are just too small to break a tackle or gain a critical extra yard.
Maybe I will wake up tomorrow and feel better about things but right now, this was a horrible experience.
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Post by sarasota on Nov 12, 2016 22:25:13 GMT -5
HCFC45- I didn't say get rid of fball. I said downgrade it to where we can be consistently competitive with relative ease.
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Post by JRGNYR on Nov 12, 2016 22:38:10 GMT -5
Downgrading out of Division I is a non-starter and no consistent with the significant financial commitment poured into the Hart Canter lately.
Everyone needs to relax, pour yourself an adult beverage and embrace common sense.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 12, 2016 22:52:47 GMT -5
Good news: 21,375 attendance Bad news: We got creamed and a lot of people saw it!
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Post by sarasota on Nov 12, 2016 22:57:09 GMT -5
It will be all over the sports sections of the NY Metro area newspapers tomorrow and will cement in readers' minds what a joke we are.
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Post by HCFC45 on Nov 12, 2016 23:48:57 GMT -5
HCFC45- I didn't say get rid of fball. I said downgrade it to where we can be consistently competitive with relative ease. Sota: I know that you did not say "get rid of fball"! Those were my words and my thoughts at that moment! I also know that you support Holy Cross sports and love to see them win, otherwise you would not be here posting!
A thorough and complete change in the football staff is needed. See CTG's record posted elsewhere on the Football Forum and you can see why a change is needed! CTG does not have a snowball's chance in hell of coming back!
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Post by ncaam on Nov 13, 2016 8:07:37 GMT -5
Was Fr B at the game?
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 13, 2016 8:14:43 GMT -5
It will be all over the sports sections of the NY Metro area newspapers tomorrow and will cement in readers' minds what a joke we are. Not much mention in he North Jersey/Metro area sports coverage. There are times when that is upsetting - not after yesterday.  |
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Post by joe on Nov 13, 2016 8:24:36 GMT -5
Good news: 21,375 attendance Bad news: We got creamed and a lot of people saw it! All that hoopla and attendance was 21k? Jeez we were getting 14-16 k at Fitton up until not so long ago, for the night games anyway. Perhaps it would have been higher if the game meant anything to HC. This endeavor was a failure. Wake up call perhaps. If HC is truly taking football seriously I would expect a press conference from Pine today about the direction of the program. Not tomorrow, next week, or next month. Today. Wanna be D1? Show it now. |
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Post by lou on Nov 13, 2016 8:27:01 GMT -5
BTW, this was a terrific day in NYC, the Bronx and Yankee Stadium. Saw and spoke to several classmates and families I haven't seen in a while. Most were predicting an empty stadium after 1st half, didn't happen because this game was a lot of fun. Too bad we got killed, but we managed to make the most of the experience and enjoyed it. Congrats to classmate 6774 for tossing coin, congrats to a HC for planning and running a spectacular event
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 13, 2016 10:14:23 GMT -5
Yes he was and a rather ironic halftime presentation of one of those large symbolic checks for the record breaking Crusader Athletics Fund with Fr. B, Nate, I believe Heather Palmer, and one other person who escapes my memory. Here the announcer is extolling what great things the CAF does for HC athletics and we were getting routed by Fordham. While it made me wonder why I have been contributing since the Gridiron Club's inception, I was watching Nate's and Fr. B's faces on the jumbotron and they looked a bit chagrined, if that is the right word.
Anyone else who was there have the same thoughts, are was it just me?
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 13, 2016 10:19:23 GMT -5
Reading about it is not a scintilla close to how bad it was watching live and in person. And let's make clear that our players are not jokes. They tried, did not quit, but were overmatched and outcoached. I feel very badly for them but this is a level where you don't get "participation trophies." [What? No "runner up" trophy for coming in second at the Ram-Crusader Cup game?]  |
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