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Post by bigfan on Mar 20, 2022 15:27:51 GMT -5
With the Transfer Portal and the type of players we have been recruiting we will never make the NCAA tournament. Watching the games the talent that the teams have, we can't match that.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 20, 2022 15:46:42 GMT -5
If St Peter's can get talent, so can Holy Cross. Granted both are Jesuit institutions, but have you seen Jersey City?
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Post by gks on Mar 20, 2022 15:50:27 GMT -5
If St Peter's can get talent, so can Holy Cross. Granted both are Jesuit institutions, but have you seen Jersey City? Thing I like about Saint Peter's is they are as fundamentally sound a team that you'll see. Very few mistakes, shoot free throws very well and never get rattled. They play a smart, fun brand of basketball.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 20, 2022 16:26:35 GMT -5
If St Peter's can get talent, so can Holy Cross. Granted both are Jesuit institutions, but have you seen Jersey City? Neither St. Peter’s nor the MAAC have the AI.
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Post by cmo on Mar 20, 2022 17:42:44 GMT -5
Has there ever been talk (at the administrator level) of getting rid of the AI?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 20, 2022 18:44:14 GMT -5
Coach K got win number 1200, and his 99th NCAA tournament win tonight.
Wooden had 885 career wins.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 20, 2022 19:52:22 GMT -5
Has there ever been talk (at the administrator level) of getting rid of the AI? Guarantee outside of the gates of Fordham and maybe Loyola or Georgetown, there's been absolutely none.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 20, 2022 20:15:30 GMT -5
Coach K got win number 1200, and his 99th NCAA tournament win tonight. Wooden had 885 career wins. Wooden had 10 national championships. Coach K- 5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 20, 2022 20:25:03 GMT -5
Our Lady of the Lake goes down. With the lead, and a minute plus remaining, ND #0 tried to do too much, leading to three straight turnovers, giving Texas Tech the lead.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 21, 2022 8:49:24 GMT -5
#1 Seed Arizona managed to tie the game with TCU as the clock was expiring then won in overtime. Interesting roster for the Wildcats with players from Canada, France, Sweden, Mali, Estonia, Cameroon, and 2 from Lithuania. I wonder if that is a record for most countries represented on one team?
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Post by gks on Mar 21, 2022 9:00:54 GMT -5
If St Peter's can get talent, so can Holy Cross. Granted both are Jesuit institutions, but have you seen Jersey City? Neither St. Peter’s nor the MAAC have the AI. Translation: Neither Saint Peter's nor the MAAC have self-imposed restrictions that are unnecessary and ridiculous.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 21, 2022 10:50:30 GMT -5
Or that the conference HC helped start has the same AI
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Post by notjuanjones on Mar 21, 2022 11:38:22 GMT -5
I love that the PL emphasizes academics. I think it's laudable. But, I do wonder what the end game is here. The PL schools will never reach the academic reputation – deserved or not – of the Ivies. So, what is the point of the AI? To say "we're...in the ballpark of the Ivy Leagues? We have similar viewpoints with the Ivies – but don't have the willingness to spend top dollar on coaches/staff/etc. as they do?" I don't get that. There's a medium, I think, between not paying lip service to academics and making it all but impossible to compete against any but the lowest D1 conferences year in and year out.
There have certainly been instances where PL schools went toe to toe and did well. HC had a run. Bucknell had multiple runs. Lehigh had a run. Colgate's ON a run. But those seem few and far between. And it feels like the gap is only going to get bigger with the NIL and Transfer Portal only growing in importance. Do they have discussions at the PL presidents' level about the future of this conference in basketball? If we can't get the most talented/smartest kids b/c they go to the Ivies, and we can't get any truly talented kids b/c they can't fit under the AI, what exactly is the goal here? Having half of your teams in the 300s is horrific.
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Post by Tom on Mar 21, 2022 12:10:06 GMT -5
I love that the PL emphasizes academics. I think it's laudable. But, I do wonder what the end game is here. The PL schools will never reach the academic reputation – deserved or not – of the Ivies. So, what is the point of the AI? To say "we're...in the ballpark of the Ivy Leagues? I don't think that's what the AI is about. As I understand it, the AI is about having the student athletes basically being representative of the rest of the student population. Nothing says the athletes have to be stellar students. Once again, this is my understanding and I could be all wrong, but if the average student at Whatsamatter U reads at a 10th grade level, there's nothing wrong under the AI of a basketball player reading at a 10th grade or even a 9th grade level. That athlete is typical of the non athletes at his school. He just can't be reading at a 5th grade level. The issue is at a top level school where everyone is a rocket scientist. An average student might be fine at most schools, probably an academic superstar at Whatsamatter U, but just not meet the academic profile of the school of rocket scientists. Based on my understanding of AI, it's not about being like the Ivies, it's about being true to yourself and having true student athletes as opposed to an athlete that you make sit in a classroom
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 21, 2022 12:15:28 GMT -5
I love that the PL emphasizes academics. I think it's laudable. But, I do wonder what the end game is here. The PL schools will never reach the academic reputation – deserved or not – of the Ivies. So, what is the point of the AI? To say "we're...in the ballpark of the Ivy Leagues? We have similar viewpoints with the Ivies – but don't have the willingness to spend top dollar on coaches/staff/etc. as they do?" I don't get that. There's a medium, I think, between not paying lip service to academics and making it all but impossible to compete against any but the lowest D1 conferences year in and year out. There have certainly been instances where PL schools went toe to toe and did well. HC had a run. Bucknell had multiple runs. Lehigh had a run. Colgate's ON a run. But those seem few and far between. And it feels like the gap is only going to get bigger with the NIL and Transfer Portal only growing in importance. Do they have discussions at the PL presidents' level about the future of this conference in basketball? If we can't get the most talented/smartest kids b/c they go to the Ivies, and we can't get any truly talented kids b/c they can't fit under the AI, what exactly is the goal here? Having half of your teams in the 300s is horrific. Great post, njj. I've always been a "love the one you're with" kind of guy, but the more I watch college hoops, the more concerned I get for the little guy. One of the few advantages the little guys had over the big boys in March during the One and Done era was the experience factor, but the Portal is starting to flip that script. The semi-pros can now employ a bunch of One and Dones and still have a nucleus of upper class thefts from the low majors. We may not have seen the worst of it. I don't feel confident as a fan of a little guy, especially one with one hand tied.
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Post by notjuanjones on Mar 21, 2022 13:22:36 GMT -5
I love that the PL emphasizes academics. I think it's laudable. But, I do wonder what the end game is here. The PL schools will never reach the academic reputation – deserved or not – of the Ivies. So, what is the point of the AI? To say "we're...in the ballpark of the Ivy Leagues? I don't think that's what the AI is about. As I understand it, the AI is about having the student athletes basically being representative of the rest of the student population. Nothing says the athletes have to be stellar students. Once again, this is my understanding and I could be all wrong, but if the average student at Whatsamatter U reads at a 10th grade level, there's nothing wrong under the AI of a basketball player reading at a 10th grade or even a 9th grade level. That athlete is typical of the non athletes at his school. He just can't be reading at a 5th grade level. The issue is at a top level school where everyone is a rocket scientist. An average student might be fine at most schools, probably an academic superstar at Whatsamatter U, but just not meet the academic profile of the school of rocket scientists. Based on my understanding of AI, it's not about being like the Ivies, it's about being true to yourself and having true student athletes as opposed to an athlete that you make sit in a classroom I think you're right. I'm not saying I want athletes to be outliers academically compared with the student body at large. But the balance is just out of whack, to me. If you have to carry multiple high-academic players who contribute marginally to the team in order to "balance" the one or two players who contribute significantly to the team but who are at or just below the AI baseline, you're really limiting your chances to compete year in and out in D1. And PL schools (at least, I think we're all in the same boat here) have to play at least some guarantee games during OOC every year to pay the bills. It is not good for morale or for alumni engagement if the alma mater plays at Ohio State or Auburn or whoever and gets poleaxed by 30, even though the experience is usually great for the players. I don't have a magic solution here. I just think having a little more leeway in terms of roster construction would help. What if a team could have up to three players every four years who might fall slightly lower than the current academic minimums? Again: I'm not saying PL schools could or should recruit kids with GPAs under 2 or SATs under 800. I'm talking about the B-minus/C+ student, who's not a scholar, but not remedial, either. I guarantee you there are a LOT of such students in the general population, but they get in via legacies, fraternities/sororities, etc. If a team could have a handful of better player/decent student on the roster – remember, I'm talking 3, maybe 4 out of 13 scholarship players – I think PL play across the board would improve, and be more competitive year in and out than what we've seen the last couple of years. Some of this may well take care of itself if we are truly nearing the end of the most severe COVID restrictions, too. Granted.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 21, 2022 15:25:23 GMT -5
As far as Ivy-envy goes, I think that was the root cause of the Patriot League’s Academic Index efforts. I do think Fr Brooks had a serious case of it.
Perhaps ditching the AI will help us regain our stronger Pre-Patriot League academic reputation. 😱
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 21, 2022 15:33:21 GMT -5
Something has to be done to combat the alarming trend of kids being poached/transferring up. A less strict AI might help.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 21, 2022 16:24:06 GMT -5
Something has to be done to combat the alarming trend of kids being poached/transferring up. A less strict AI might help. I think someone should have to stay in a place two years (if one, you sit out a year like people did in the past), with a bunch of exceptions in place that would change that to one.
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Post by gks on Mar 21, 2022 18:59:09 GMT -5
Something has to be done to combat the alarming trend of kids being poached/transferring up. A less strict AI might help. Win and play the best competition. That will solve a lot.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 21, 2022 21:09:52 GMT -5
Did you realize BU accepted a bid to play in the CBI - a 5 day event with all games played in Daytona Beach they beat UNC Greensboro yday but lost tonight to Middle Tennessee
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Post by crusader1970 on Mar 22, 2022 8:05:12 GMT -5
Did you realize BU accepted a bid to play in the CBI - a 5 day event with all games played in Daytona Beach they beat UNC Greensboro yday but lost tonight to Middle Tennessee"Crushed" would probably be the more accurate term.
Mid Tennessee shot 65% in the second half and beat they by 30.
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Post by cmo on Mar 25, 2022 14:23:17 GMT -5
In Chicago for games this weekend.
For those that live there/have been - Any must-do’s tomorrow?
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Post by lou on Mar 25, 2022 14:32:44 GMT -5
In Chicago for games this weekend. For those that live there/have been - Any must-do’s tomorrow? Architecture boat tour
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 25, 2022 14:35:19 GMT -5
The Field Museum and the Art Institute are fantastic museums, Science Museum and the Shedd Aquarium are also outstanding
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