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Post by joe on Mar 29, 2022 11:44:39 GMT -5
All of them. The school is too small for all these half ass D1 programs. It’s stupid. Choose a few and highlight them, do whatever it takes to win. Hav e the rest of the student body play club sports and go watch their friends on the varsity teams like in high school.
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Post by alum on Mar 29, 2022 11:48:44 GMT -5
How many and which sports would you cut? No pressure.🙂 I’d keep football, m/w basketball, and m/w hockey but only if men’s hockey upgrades conferences, plus whatever can be most cheaply cobbled together on the women’s side to comply with Title 9. I think you need 14 sports (min of 6 for both men and women) to be in D1
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Post by hc80 on Mar 29, 2022 12:06:17 GMT -5
Looks like it will be status quo. Email from CBN today asking for donations. Not from me unless it is to cover severance expense.
Will trust that Kit knows what he is doing… but I ain’t buying season tickets that’s for sure…
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Post by timholycross on Mar 29, 2022 12:15:19 GMT -5
I don't blame anyone on the coaching staff for being unaware, or even blindsided, by players leaving the program. I do blame the coaching staff for the players' ultimate decisions to leave the school in the first place. I blame players too-- their performance contributed a great deal to the results of the last decade plus of mediocrity, and it's clear they are easy to be sold on a defection elsewhere-- but the right coach could keep the sailors loyal even when the ship is taking on water. Easy to be sold on defection. . . but how much is just a bill of goods. Looking at the defections in this regime, while ignoring guys who graduated and also ignoring the walk ons (I don't think Johns Hopkins sold Yeutter a bill of goods to transfer) Pridgen is in the CAA. Fine landing place Reilly and Hargis are in the Northeast Conference. Similar conference. Unless someone is an engineering student, probably not a great career move Wade and Lowder landed in D-I, but are no longer in D-I Verbeek, Niego, and Sandy never landed in D-I. Not sure what these guys were thinking, but strictly speaking about level of basketball, the grass might not be greener someplace else Commenting on both Joe and Tom's posts, yes, it's like an AAU team; but most of the defectors botched their tryouts!
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Post by JRGNYR on Mar 29, 2022 12:17:46 GMT -5
I’d keep football, m/w basketball, and m/w hockey but only if men’s hockey upgrades conferences, plus whatever can be most cheaply cobbled together on the women’s side to comply with Title 9. I think you need 14 sports (min of 6 for both men and women) to be in D1 Minimum of 6 men, 8 women or 7 and 7.
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Post by joe on Mar 29, 2022 12:22:19 GMT -5
Whatever. Bear minimum. And de-emphasize even the non major varsity sports. Also lobby to get that stupid rule changed for a small school. It’s half the the problem here.
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Post by JRGNYR on Mar 29, 2022 12:26:36 GMT -5
Whatever. Bear minimum. And de-emphasize even the non major varsity sports. Also lobby to get that stupid rule changed for a small school. It’s half the the problem here. Then be prepared to no longer be D-1.
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Post by joe on Mar 29, 2022 12:27:45 GMT -5
Whatever. Bear minimum. And de-emphasize even the non major varsity sports. Also lobby to get that stupid rule changed for a small school. It’s half the the problem here. Then be prepared to no longer be D-1. Why?
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Post by timholycross on Mar 29, 2022 12:37:46 GMT -5
Money spent on tennis and golf and a dozen other similar endeavors are not the problem at a school with HC's endowment.
Losing at them doesn't matter one iota when it comes to the sports that count.
This is a recruiting and coaching problem, not a money problem.
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Post by gks on Mar 29, 2022 12:52:39 GMT -5
Money spent on tennis and golf and a dozen other similar endeavors are not the problem at a school with HC's endowment. Losing at them doesn't matter one iota when it comes to the sports that count. This is a recruiting and coaching problem, not a money problem. I'll argue it goes above coaching. Definitely not a money problem.
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Post by JRGNYR on Mar 29, 2022 12:54:24 GMT -5
Then be prepared to no longer be D-1. Why? I think just as a general item, if you're a "small school" and you want overarching or fundamental changes in D1 to something like sport sponsorship minimums, the response by and large is going to be, "then don't be a Division 1 school." But maybe it's a moot point. There's going to be a shift in how Division I operates that'll come to pass likely sometime later this year, so what it looks like and what the minimum requirements are could force some institutions to have to make decisions. Maybe sport sponsorship minimums are lowered from 14 for D1, and if that comes to pass it's likely very bad news for some sports. However, I don't see HC dropping any programs. Having a large, broad-based athletic program is part of the institutional vision of the school. If the vision changes, then different story.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 29, 2022 12:55:55 GMT -5
Money spent on tennis and golf and a dozen other similar endeavors are not the problem at a school with HC's endowment. Losing at them doesn't matter one iota when it comes to the sports that count. This is a recruiting and coaching problem, not a money problem. Plus, why takeout the equivalent of a full page ad announcing Holy Cross has failed at something. Strong sports fans might see the strategy and agree with it but the public only sees HC has raised the white flag and surrended in one activity.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 29, 2022 13:05:34 GMT -5
Money spent on tennis and golf and a dozen other similar endeavors are not the problem at a school with HC's endowment. Losing at them doesn't matter one iota when it comes to the sports that count. This is a recruiting and coaching problem, not a money problem. I'll argue it goes above coaching. Definitely not a money problem. I think it is a money problem in that we potentially have the resources but do not invest as we should. We could invest more to get better coaches, offer more scholarships, and spend more on recruiting. I think that would generate better results
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Post by gks on Mar 29, 2022 13:08:49 GMT -5
I'll argue it goes above coaching. Definitely not a money problem. I think it is a money problem in that we potentially have the resources but do not invest as we should. We could invest more to get better coaches, offer more scholarships, and spend more on recruiting. I think that would generate better results I'll agree with that.
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Post by joe on Mar 29, 2022 13:15:54 GMT -5
I think just as a general item, if you're a "small school" and you want overarching or fundamental changes in D1 to something like sport sponsorship minimums, the response by and large is going to be, "then don't be a Division 1 school." But maybe it's a moot point. There's going to be a shift in how Division I operates that'll come to pass likely sometime later this year, so what it looks like and what the minimum requirements are could force some institutions to have to make decisions. Maybe sport sponsorship minimums are lowered from 14 for D1, and if that comes to pass it's likely very bad news for some sports. However, I don't see HC dropping any programs. Having a large, broad-based athletic program is part of the institutional vision of the school. If the vision changes, then different story. Correct and that vision for the college is fever dream and the vision of the NCAA simply does not consider the small minority of small D1 schools who can do well in a select sport or sports. A school should be able to field whatever teams at whatever level they want to field them based on more reasonable requirements. It’s time for a change. Also I don’t think the large schools give a crap about what the smalls are doing.
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Post by crusader1970 on Mar 29, 2022 14:08:31 GMT -5
Looks like it will be status quo. Email from CBN today asking for donations. Not from me unless it is to cover severance expense. Will trust that Kit knows what he is doing… but I ain’t buying season tickets that’s for sure… My first reaction to the same email I got from Nelson was "Is he kidding?".
Then I read the following
''Although we had the youngest team in the Patriot League, we made major strides this year. We have a great foundation to build on, with only one graduating senior in Malcolm Townsel.
Thank you all for your support this season. As we continue to build upon our success this year...."
I am tempted to write him back and congratulate him on the apparent re-recruiting the other 4 players in the Transfer Portal.
This guy is living in a world quite apart from reality.
Like you, hc80, I will no longer be contributing to the HC basketball program through the CAF.
And.....I am going to drop Kit an email to explain why.
We need to push back and let them know how upset we are with Nelson's apparent return next season.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 29, 2022 14:15:28 GMT -5
Very embarrassing the two graphics embedded in that email as there were only 43 total donors and $35,500 raised for the program.
Interest isn't dwindling. It's becoming non-existent.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 29, 2022 14:28:32 GMT -5
Looks like it will be status quo. Email from CBN today asking for donations. Not from me unless it is to cover severance expense. Will trust that Kit knows what he is doing… but I ain’t buying season tickets that’s for sure… My first reaction to the same email I got from Nelson was "Is he kidding?".
Then I read the following
''Although we had the youngest team in the Patriot League, we made major strides this year. We have a great foundation to build on, with only one graduating senior in Malcolm Townsel.Â
Thank you all for your support this season. As we continue to build upon our success this year...."
I am tempted to write him back and congratulate him on the apparent re-recruiting the other 4 players in the Transfer Portal.
This guy is living in a world quite apart from reality.
Like you, hc80, I will no longer be contributing to the HC basketball program through the CAF.
And.....I am going to drop Kit an email to explain why.
We need to push back and let them know how upset we are with Nelson's apparent return next season.
Your bolded words set me off as well. I know it’s difficult to put a positive spin on the situation but don’t bleeping lie right to my computer screen! We’re losing Townsel plus 4 others at a minimum. I was also tempted to write back. Good God, man.
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Post by Tom on Mar 29, 2022 14:43:21 GMT -5
I think just as a general item, if you're a "small school" and you want overarching or fundamental changes in D1 to something like sport sponsorship minimums, the response by and large is going to be, "then don't be a Division 1 school." But maybe it's a moot point. There's going to be a shift in how Division I operates that'll come to pass likely sometime later this year, so what it looks like and what the minimum requirements are could force some institutions to have to make decisions. Maybe sport sponsorship minimums are lowered from 14 for D1, and if that comes to pass it's likely very bad news for some sports. However, I don't see HC dropping any programs. Having a large, broad-based athletic program is part of the institutional vision of the school. If the vision changes, then different story. Correct and that vision for the college is fever dream and the vision of the NCAA simply does not consider the small minority of small D1 schools who can do well in a select sport or sports. A school should be able to field whatever teams at whatever level they want to field them based on more reasonable requirements. It’s time for a change. Also I don’t think the large schools give a crap about what the smalls are doing. I think the general consensus among member institutions is a school should be in a specific division. If you want to be a division 1 school, be a division 1 school. If schools were to be allowed to place teams where ever they wanted, everybody would be D-I in basketball to get a piece of the March Madness pie without devoting any resources to other sports
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Post by Ray on Mar 29, 2022 14:45:20 GMT -5
Yeah, that email set me off too. In addition to the foundation line:
Oddly enough, the next sentence did not say "and also including the league's rookie of the year, Kyrell Luc, who decided to transfer out of the school rather than spend another season playing for me".
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 29, 2022 14:47:55 GMT -5
You guys love to complain when you don't hear from Nelson, then dissect every word and complain when you do hear from him, this time in a fundraising email where he is trying to put a positive spin on the program.
What the hell do you want him to say in this email? Do you think he is going to put in writing an outline of areas where he has come up short in his job? Do you guys list out your failings and email them out to your company or post on LinkedIn for anyone to read? I get that he's in a "public role" but it takes a situation with a hell of a lot more job security than Nelson has to be publicly calling himself out.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 29, 2022 14:49:46 GMT -5
How about honesty for a start ? Weren’t you bailing on him last week ?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 29, 2022 14:53:34 GMT -5
Given the timing of the recent defections, probably not a good idea for him to click the Send button right now. At least wait until the roster has been built back up (assuming that it will be).
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 29, 2022 14:59:13 GMT -5
Honestly, Nelson should just stay in hiding for the time being. Nothing good can come from writing something like this as it's totally disingenuous and tone deaf.
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Post by crusader1970 on Mar 29, 2022 14:59:56 GMT -5
You guys love to complain when you don't hear from Nelson, then dissect every word and complain when you do hear from him, this time in a fundraising email where he is trying to put a positive spin on the program. What the hell do you want him to say in this email? Do you think he is going to put in writing an outline of areas where he has come up short in his job? Do you guys list out your failings and email them out to your company or post on LinkedIn for anyone to read? I get that he's in a "public role" but it takes a situation with a hell of a lot more job security than Nelson has to be publicly calling himself out. Did you say "dissect every word"
C'mon! Get serious.
He is outright lying to us by saying that Townsell is the only player we are losing.
I do understand your point that he needs to put a positive spin on it. But you can't put total falsehoods in the email.
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