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Post by lou on Mar 8, 2022 9:34:16 GMT -5
Our "fans" chanting "overrated" at Coleman didn't help, don't think she missed after that
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Post by Ignutz on Mar 8, 2022 9:34:20 GMT -5
Heartbreaking that girl could shoot and the Navy coached yelled that's the real MVP when she hit the game winner. She can play 1 second to go though cmon. I thought when she hit the earlier 3 clearly she lost the ball out of bounds. There was serious verbal exchange between Coleman and the head coach at the end. Whatever Coleman was yelling about was peppered with F-bombs
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Post by gks on Mar 8, 2022 9:45:10 GMT -5
When you win...trash talk away.
See Anna Kinne.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 8, 2022 9:46:31 GMT -5
Hate to admit this but Avery did not show up last night in a big spot - I am sure she feels terrible about her performance
Will be interesting if the coach gives the kids a few days off (at home in spring break) to try and forget this one - i think the WNIT first games are next Tuesday March 15th
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Post by timholycross on Mar 8, 2022 10:20:11 GMT -5
Guarding the inbound passer versus double teaming someone isn't a slam dunk. You give the passer a better look and more options on how to deliver the ball. Chest pass from where the inbound was (which is not where it SHOULD have been by several feet) for an open shot in the middle of the court for example. Or a lob of some sort into the paint. Not missing the second free throw is less defensible, have to say. I've seen kids try to miss one and throw up an air ball or slam it off the backboard, but you'd think a good shooter like AL would not do that. The coach who according to our resident pissant "choked" swallowed just fine when diagramming the play that put HC ahead, by the way. One thing that just struck me- we basically lost to a 9-20 team going into the game, play in participant, one star player. Sound like an opponent you know so well and don't like? Well, MM did the same thing as the one seed at UNH losing to Maine in the semis. She never recovered after that season. I do kind of remember some game involving Maine in a AE tourament game that had a funny ending of some variety, please feel free to expound.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 8, 2022 10:45:57 GMT -5
MM will recover in time for the WNIT. She surely has scheduled the next practice. People are forgetting she is leading the team to the post season for the first time in 15 years. HC didn't finish first in the 10 team regular season in either of the two years we had Manis, Swords and Labarbera and Coach Magarity gets it done with just Avery and a well coached supporting cast.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 8, 2022 10:50:10 GMT -5
Heartbreaking that girl could shoot and the Navy coached yelled that's the real MVP when she hit the game winner. She can play 1 second to go though cmon. I thought when she hit the earlier 3 clearly she lost the ball out of bounds. There was serious verbal exchange between Coleman and the head coach at the end. Whatever Coleman was yelling about was peppered with F-bombs I suspect Coleman was fired up about not winning the POY and Coach was trying to settle her down.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 8, 2022 11:00:07 GMT -5
Our "fans" chanting "overrated" at Coleman didn't help, don't think she missed after that Heartbroken for the Holy Cross players, but tipping my cap to Jennifer Coleman for one of the biggest clutch performances in Hart Center history in an elimination game.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 8, 2022 11:05:07 GMT -5
If you place the NIT win over Notre Dame as Ralph Willard's biggest victory while at Holy Cross (it could be argued any of his PLT Finals wins were bigger and some might call his "moral victories" in close NCAA losses as bigger but I like actual wins) then something good is still possible this season for HC.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 8, 2022 11:13:04 GMT -5
Girl from Navy made a tough, well-defended shot. Nothing you can do. That's actually not true. We could have done a number of things so she never even had an opportunity to get a look at that tough shot. 1) We had fouls to give when Navy had the ball with 10.6 seconds left (score was HC 47 - Navy 44). We could have conceivably fouled until the clock dwindled down to double 0. Two fouls to give, and then could have even fouled again to put Navy in the bonus, thereby never giving them a look from the perimeter. 2) As others have said, AL just needed to miss the second free after she made the first. Navy would have had to throw the ball from our basket all the way into theirs. (I'm not sure any of the Navy women could have even reached their basket with the ball after collecting the missed FT with just a second remaining). Big time choke.
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 8, 2022 11:23:53 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 8, 2022 11:25:44 GMT -5
Girl from Navy made a tough, well-defended shot. Nothing you can do. That's actually not true. We could have done a number of things so she never even had an opportunity to get a look at that tough shot. 1) We had fouls to give when Navy had the ball with 10.6 seconds left (score was HC 47 - Navy 44). We could have conceivably fouled until the clock dwindled down to double 0. Two fouls to give, and then could have even fouled again to put Navy in the bonus, thereby never giving them a look from the perimeter. 2) As others have said, AL just needed to miss the second free after she made the first. Navy would have had to throw the ball from our basket all the way into theirs. (I'm not sure any of the Navy women could have even reached their basket with the ball after collecting the missed FT with just a second remaining). Big time choke. 1.7 seconds, rebound, long toss, three point shot. The odds are in the same universe as the odds of what actually happened I would think. People are placing a missed foul shot in the guaranteed to work category but it obviously isn't guaranteed because in the same amount of time Navy got off two inbounds plays and a three point shot. The COY is being corrected by Crossports experts who have the perfect solution. Only trouble is the missed free throw isn't perfect. It can be defeated by a perfect play just as the actual strategy was defeated by a perfect play.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 8, 2022 11:31:19 GMT -5
That's actually not true. We could have done a number of things so she never even had an opportunity to get a look at that tough shot. 1) We had fouls to give when Navy had the ball with 10.6 seconds left (score was HC 47 - Navy 44). We could have conceivably fouled until the clock dwindled down to double 0. Two fouls to give, and then could have even fouled again to put Navy in the bonus, thereby never giving them a look from the perimeter. 2) As others have said, AL just needed to miss the second free after she made the first. Navy would have had to throw the ball from our basket all the way into theirs. (I'm not sure any of the Navy women could have even reached their basket with the ball after collecting the missed FT with just a second remaining). Big time choke. 1.7 seconds, rebound, long toss, three point shot. In 1.7 seconds Navy is going to get the rebound on the missed FT (no guarantee that they do), then pass to mid-court (how much time does that take?), and then cleanly catch the ball and hit a half-court shot? The odds of that happening are astronomically lower than inbounding the ball from underneath the basket and heaving it down the court for a three-point look. Also, what is the difference in being up by one or two points in this situation? Navy isn't going to be attempting a two-point shot in either situation, so a three would win it for them anyways. I'm sure MM would be the first one to admit she made a mistake. If she wouldn't, I'd like to hear her reasoning for not missing the FT intentionally.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Mar 8, 2022 11:35:05 GMT -5
Not the same, LS. After ft miss, clock starts running as soon ball is touched and continues to run while ball is in the air. Time would almost certainly expire before "long toss" was caught. After AL made 2nd free throw, clock did not start from out of bounds throw ins (two) until touched.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 8, 2022 12:24:22 GMT -5
LS stays up at night thinking of ways to make HC sports look respectable - this latest rationale is just par for the course The rest of us know that there's just a lot of losing up there (1-11 over the last 4 days across all sports) and nothing is likely to change any time soon
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Post by Ignutz on Mar 8, 2022 12:33:58 GMT -5
I agree with most of what's been said re: the end of the game. From the time the foul was whistled, I was thinking "Make the first, and miss the second." That being said, an argument against missing the second might be that a possible foul by one of our players on the rebound would send a Mid to the line needing to make one shot to tie and two to win (if I'm remembering correctly that they were in the bonus). If they weren't in the bonus, miss the second and just get a hand on the rebound, and let the clock expire.
No sugar-coating the loss, but I agree with a previous poster who suggested that in the WNIT we have a chance for a win or, at the least, a competitive game - as opposed to a 40-point drubbing by South Carolina or Baylor.
How would posters want to end a season (or college career), getting destroyed in a Round 1 NCAA game or having a fighting chance in a game (or two?) in the WNIT?
At least in the Men's tournament, a first-round game is played in a big arena with all the hoopla and a number of other teams at the site. For the women, the best they could probably hope for would be a trip to one of the Carolina schools - or worse, a ride down I-84 to Storrs.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 8, 2022 12:39:36 GMT -5
That being said, an argument against missing the second might be that a possible foul by one of our players on the rebound would send a Mid to the line needing to make one shot to tie and two to win (if I'm remembering correctly that they were in the bonus). HC only committed three fouls in the 4th quarter, so they had one to give.
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Post by bison137 on Mar 8, 2022 12:45:45 GMT -5
1.7 seconds, rebound, long toss, three point shot. In 1.7 seconds Navy is going to get the rebound on the missed FT (no guarantee that they do), then pass to mid-court (how much time does that take?), and then cleanly catch the ball and hit a half-court shot? The odds of that happening are astronomically lower than inbounding the ball from underneath the basket and heaving it down the court for a three-point look. Also, what is the difference in being up by one or two points in this situation? Navy isn't going to be attempting a two-point shot in either situation, so a three would win it for them anyways. I'm sure MM would be the first one to admit she made a mistake. If she wouldn't, I'd like to hear her reasoning for not missing the FT intentionally. Yes. In 1.7 seconds there is no chance at all that Navy could grab the rebound, then wind up and throw the ball to mid court, then catch the pass, then generate enough momentum to reach from 45 feet, and then release the 45 foot shot. At minimum, that would take at least 2.5 seconds. And a player having to quickly turn and shoot with no forward momentum very likely wouldn’t reach the rim.
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Post by bison137 on Mar 8, 2022 12:47:09 GMT -5
That being said, an argument against missing the second might be that a possible foul by one of our players on the rebound would send a Mid to the line needing to make one shot to tie and two to win (if I'm remembering correctly that they were in the bonus). HC only committed three fouls in the 4th quarter, so they had one to give. but it’s extremely unlikely in that scenario that HC would’ve had any players lined up in the lane.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 8, 2022 12:55:30 GMT -5
LS stays up at night thinking of ways to make HC sports look respectable - this latest rationale is just par for the course The rest of us know that there's just a lot of losing up there (1-11 over the last 4 days across all sports) and nothing is likely to change any time soon HC is going to the national post season in two major sports this academic year already. That is respectable.
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Post by oldschoolhoops on Mar 8, 2022 13:49:12 GMT -5
It's possible the Crusader coaching staff did not realize that Navy had no time-outs left(?) and therefore assumed Navy would advance the ball make or miss on Avery's FT--which was a mistake. If they DID know, it was a mistake to not instruct Avery to miss. HC should have pulled everyone off the lane so no chance on fouls, and then had Avery miss and just get out of the way. Navy would have had to make a 70-foot + shot to win. Zero chance of that. Either way, a clear mistake. I think the moment the team found itself in made clear thinking a bit more difficult--as pressure will do.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 8, 2022 13:53:53 GMT -5
I’m not sure it’s as easy to miss a free throw and also hit the rim as everyone thinks. Agree we should have tried it. Worst case, it’s an air ball and they’re still inbounding under the basket with the same time left.
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Post by oldschoolhoops on Mar 8, 2022 13:56:20 GMT -5
I’m not sure it’s as easy to miss a free throw and also hit the rim as everyone thinks. Agree we should have tried it. Worst case, it’s an air ball and they’re still inbounding under the basket with the same time left. It's not THAT hard. I've done it a lot!!
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Post by oldschoolhoops on Mar 8, 2022 14:23:58 GMT -5
I agree with most of what's been said re: the end of the game. From the time the foul was whistled, I was thinking "Make the first, and miss the second." That being said, an argument against missing the second might be that a possible foul by one of our players on the rebound would send a Mid to the line needing to make one shot to tie and two to win (if I'm remembering correctly that they were in the bonus). If they weren't in the bonus, miss the second and just get a hand on the rebound, and let the clock expire. No sugar-coating the loss, but I agree with a previous poster who suggested that in the WNIT we have a chance for a win or, at the least, a competitive game - as opposed to a 40-point drubbing by South Carolina or Baylor. How would posters want to end a season (or college career), getting destroyed in a Round 1 NCAA game or having a fighting chance in a game (or two?) in the WNIT? At least in the Men's tournament, a first-round game is played in a big arena with all the hoopla and a number of other teams at the site. For the women, the best they could probably hope for would be a trip to one of the Carolina schools - or worse, a ride down I-84 to Storrs. I'd take the experience of the NCAAs every time over the other post-season tournaments--even if it means a big blow-out against a team like UCONN. There's nothing like that NCAA experience. You tell your grandkids about playing a team like UCONN or South Carolina in the NCAAs. A win over Coastal Carolina in the WNIT? Not so much. Having said that, it's a great accomplishment to reach a post-season tourney and that should be absolutley celebrated and enjoyed by all. But if you're asking? My answer is NCAAs.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 8, 2022 14:30:21 GMT -5
Hate to admit this but Avery did not show up last night in a big spot - I am sure she feels terrible about her performance Will be interesting if the coach gives the kids a few days off (at home in spring break) to try and forget this one - i think the WNIT first games are next Tuesday March 15th You can't pull down 13 rebounds and score 16 points without showing up. The criticisms are getting a bit far fetched.
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