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Post by hcpride on Jan 14, 2023 8:13:54 GMT -5
HC’s first all pro since ? Jon Morris ? Bruce Kozerski ? Vince Promuto ? Gil Fenerty- in the CFL ? Bill Osmanski ? George Connor ? Morris was 4 time AFL All Pro, last in 1969 (Bob Dee was 2 time AFL All Pro, last in 1964) Kozerski never made a Pro Bowl Promuto made two Pro Bowls but was never All Pro Fenerty was two time CFL All Pro in 87 and 88 (Doug Cosbie made 3 Pro Bowls ‘83-‘85 but never All Pro) Osmanski led the NFL in rushing and was NFL All Pro in 1939 Connor made 6 All Pro Teams, 5 at OG and the last at LB in 1955 So as far as I can tell, the Holy Cross NFL All-Pro Pantheon is Osmanski, Connor, and Kalif. ELITE COMPANY. While all three played at Holy Cross, Raymond and Osmanski are graduates. (Connor played 2 years at HC [‘42-‘43] before entering WWII and then starred at Notre Dame [‘46-‘47].). So the HC Grad 1st or 2nd team NFL All Pro Pantheon may be even smaller.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 14, 2023 8:14:55 GMT -5
And the last in 67 years ! Fine research, SOS. Thanks. We may not consider Gil the Thrill’s CFL honors comparable to those in the NFL, but certainly Jon Morris’ AFL honors, at least in “69, are very comparable, as long suffering Jets fans will testify. More good company, So Kalif can be the last HC legit All Pro in 53 years. Not bad.
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Post by hc1998 on Jan 14, 2023 9:19:41 GMT -5
While looking into this myself I stumbled on to a name I dont recall seeing on this board, but seems to be legitimately a HC player (moreso than Cosbie, listed above who I believe had 1 reception for HC before transferring)...John Grigas was a first team all NFL player in 1944. As far as I can tell, Grigas may also lead HC grads in NFL yards from scrimmage (I didn't do the exact math, looks close between him and Osmanski) with a total that Kalif should be able to top next year with similar (or even slightly less) usage. Finally, should Kalif be rostered next year, he will tie Osmanski as the longest NFL tenure of a HC skill position guy (again, excepting Cosbie from the list). Congrats to Kalif on this great honor and thus far a great career, with more still in front of him...all after struggling to catch on in the league in his first few years, a true story of perserverence.
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Post by sonsofspitler on Jan 14, 2023 9:30:00 GMT -5
While looking into this myself I stumbled on to a name I dont recall seeing on this board, but seems to be legitimately a HC player (moreso than Cosbie, listed above who I believe had 1 reception for HC before transferring)...John Grigas was a first team all NFL player in 1944. As far as I can tell, Grigas may also lead HC grads in NFL yards from scrimmage (I didn't do the exact math, looks close between him and Osmanski) with a total that Kalif should be able to top next year with similar (or even slightly less) usage. Finally, should Kalif be rostered next year, he will tie Osmanski as the longest NFL tenure of a HC skill position guy (again, excepting Cosbie from the list). Congrats to Kalif on this great honor and thus far a great career, with more still in front of him...all after struggling to catch on in the league in his first few years, a true story of perserverence. Good find on Grigas. Appears he was selected UPI, NY Daily News, and IPS all pro but NOT the AP 1st team. That honor went to the Lions Frank Sinkwich. Complete hose job by the AP, Grigas led the league in yards from scrimmage that year but played on the merged Steeler-Cardinal team of WWII that didn’t win a game that year.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 14, 2023 14:32:33 GMT -5
Will post a “Tomahawk” sports cartoon my father drew of Grigas that hangs in my study when I get a chance.
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Post by hc1998 on Jan 14, 2023 16:55:50 GMT -5
While looking into this myself I stumbled on to a name I dont recall seeing on this board, but seems to be legitimately a HC player (moreso than Cosbie, listed above who I believe had 1 reception for HC before transferring)...John Grigas was a first team all NFL player in 1944. As far as I can tell, Grigas may also lead HC grads in NFL yards from scrimmage (I didn't do the exact math, looks close between him and Osmanski) with a total that Kalif should be able to top next year with similar (or even slightly less) usage. Finally, should Kalif be rostered next year, he will tie Osmanski as the longest NFL tenure of a HC skill position guy (again, excepting Cosbie from the list). Congrats to Kalif on this great honor and thus far a great career, with more still in front of him...all after struggling to catch on in the league in his first few years, a true story of perserverence. Good find on Grigas. Appears he was selected UPI, NY Daily News, and IPS all pro but NOT the AP 1st team. That honor went to the Lions Frank Sinkwich. Complete hose job by the AP, Grigas led the league in yards from scrimmage that year but played on the merged Steeler-Cardinal team of WWII that didn’t win a game that year. Its funny, I consider myself to have a decent knowledge of HC athletic history, and that which I don't know, I tend to learn on this board...I was generally unfamiliar with Grigas
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Post by hcpride on Jan 14, 2023 18:35:28 GMT -5
Good find on Grigas. Appears he was selected UPI, NY Daily News, and IPS all pro but NOT the AP 1st team. That honor went to the Lions Frank Sinkwich. Complete hose job by the AP, Grigas led the league in yards from scrimmage that year but played on the merged Steeler-Cardinal team of WWII that didn’t win a game that year. Its funny, I consider myself to have a decent knowledge of HC athletic history, and that which I don't know, I tend to learn on this board...I was generally unfamiliar with Grigas Same here. I looked him up and apparently he ran wild v LSU for our win down there. Those very early 40’s schedules had some very unusual matchups (later that season we lost to Ole Miss (!) at home).
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Post by hcnation on Jan 14, 2023 20:33:26 GMT -5
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Post by Ignutz on Jan 17, 2023 9:32:55 GMT -5
I need some help here.
Kalif is named SECOND TEAM ALL-PRO, which to me means that he's considered the second-best Punt Returner in all of the NFL. How is it that he's the FOURTH ALTERNATE for the NFC's Pro Bowl team?
BTW - The First Team All-Pro punt returner is Marcus Jones of the Patriots (AFC). Logic, therefore, would dictate that Kalif should be the #1 punt returner for the NFC.
Am I missing something? Who votes for All-Pro? Who votes for the Conference Pro-Bowl teams?
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Post by Chu Chu on Jan 17, 2023 11:30:36 GMT -5
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 17, 2023 11:35:30 GMT -5
I need some help here. Kalif is named SECOND TEAM ALL-PRO, which to me means that he's considered the second-best Punt Returner in all of the NFL. How is it that he's the FOURTH ALTERNATE for the NFC's Pro Bowl team? BTW - The First Team All-Pro punt returner is Marcus Jones of the Patriots (AFC). Logic, therefore, would dictate that Kalif should be the #1 punt returner for the NFC. Am I missing something? Who votes for All-Pro? Who votes for the Conference Pro-Bowl teams? The AP picks All- Pro. I consider (and since so many players are voted in and drop for various reasons, many others do too) the AP honor to be higher than a Pro Bowl selection. Pro Bowl has fan votes, coaches votes, players votes, all other sorts of cockamamie stuff. It's also about the gimmicks these days, especially since they won't actually play football in the Pro Bowl. It feels like half the league gets into the Pro Bowl. All Pro is a different selection process, and more limited number of players bestowed the honor.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 17, 2023 15:09:27 GMT -5
I need some help here. Kalif is named SECOND TEAM ALL-PRO, which to me means that he's considered the second-best Punt Returner in all of the NFL. How is it that he's the FOURTH ALTERNATE for the NFC's Pro Bowl team? BTW - The First Team All-Pro punt returner is Marcus Jones of the Patriots (AFC). Logic, therefore, would dictate that Kalif should be the #1 punt returner for the NFC. Am I missing something? Who votes for All-Pro? Who votes for the Conference Pro-Bowl teams? 1. I think Pro Bowl voting is earlier and perhaps before Kalif’s punt return TD. 2. All Pro has a specific PR slot while the Pro Bowl slot is just a returner slot so kick returners and punt returners are all in one slot.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 19, 2023 14:44:35 GMT -5
Lining Up the Best: 2022 All-FCS NFL Team JAN 19, 2023 CRAIG HALEY / AUTHOR, MATT SISNEROS / DESIGN
With roughly 200 former FCS college football players on NFL rosters and practice squads during the 2022 season, it’s easy to put together a superb starting lineup.
That’s what we’ve done – build an All-FCS NFL starting lineup, which includes some of the top players at various positions.
Some players made for easy selections by earning All-Pro or Pro Bowl status. Injuries, though, put a damper on some players’ seasons, although Super Bowl 56 MVP Cooper Kupp of the Los Angeles Rams still made the cut on the All-FCS NFL team. However, Indianapolis Colts linebacker Shaquille Leonard, who ranked second in tackles over the 2018-21 seasons, was limited to just three games and did not make the team despite his elite ability.
Following is The Analyst’s 2022 All-FCS NFL Team with regular-season statistics plus a handful of honorable mention selections:
Offense
QB: Jimmy Garoppolo, San Francisco 49ers, Eastern Illinois – 11 games/10 starts: 207 of 308 (67.2%, No. 5 in NFL), 2,437 yards, 16 TDs, 4 INTs, 7.91 Y/A (No. 4 in NFL), 37.0% 1st down rate (No. 5 in NFL), 18 sacks
RB: Jerick McKinnon, Kansas City Chiefs, Georgia Southern – 17 games: 72 carries, 291 rushing yards, TD; 56 receptions, 512 yards, 9 TDs (tied NFL single-season record for RB), 553 YAC (No. 7 in NFL); 239 KOR yards
FB: Kyle Juszczyk, San Francisco 49ers, Harvard – 16 games/12 starts: 7 carries, 26 yards, TD; 19 receptions, 200 yards, TD; 7th straight Pro Bowl selection (Honorable Mention: Patrick Ricard, Baltimore Ravens, Maine – 4th Pro Bowl selection)
WR: Cooper Kupp, Los Angeles Rams, Eastern Washington – 9 starts: 75 receptions, 812 yards, 6 TDs, 37.0% 1st down rate, 4 25+ yards, 402 YAC
WR: Christian Watson, Green Bay Packers, North Dakota State – 14 games/11 starts: 41 receptions, 611 yards, 7 TDs, 68.3% 1st down rate (No. T14 in NFL), 6 25+ yards, 247 YAC; 7 carries, 80 yards, 2 TDs
TE: Dallas Goedert, Philadelphia Eagles, South Dakota State – 12 starts: 55 receptions, 702 yards, 3 TDs, 72.7% 1st down rate (No. 1 among NFL TEs), 4 25+ yards, 437 YAC (No. 3 among NFL TEs)
OL: Terron Armstead, Miami Dolphins, Arkansas-Pine Bluff – 13 starts: 4 penalties, 1 sack allowed over 687 offensive snaps; 4th Pro Bowl selection
OL: Tytus Howard, Houston Texans, Alabama State – 17 starts: 5 false starts, 3 sacks allowed over 997 offensive snaps
OL: Braxton Jones, Chicago Bears, Southern Utah – 17 starts: 12 penalties, 7 sacks allowed over 1,033 offensive snaps
OL: Nick Leverett, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, North Carolina Central/Rice – 11 games/10 starts: 2 penalties, 7 sacks allowed over 761 offensive snaps
OL: Cole Strange, New England Patriots, Chattanooga – 17 starts: 5 penalties, 4.5 sacks allowed over 982 offensive snaps
Defense
DE: Shelby Harris, Seattle Seahawks, Illinois State – 15 starts: 44 tackles, 2 sacks (17 yards), 5 TFL, 6 QB hurries, 4 passes defended
DE: John Franklin-Myers, New York Jets, Stephen F. Austin – 17 starts: 39 tackles, 5 sacks (39 yards), 4 TFL, 19 QB hurries, 1 pass defended
DT: Javon Hargrave, Philadelphia Eagles, South Carolina State – 17 starts: 60 tackles, 11 sacks for 75 yards (both No. 4 among NFL DTs), 10 TFL, 16 QB hurries, 1 forced fumble, 2 passes defended
LB: Kaden Elliss, New Orleans Saints, Idaho – 17 games/11 starts: 74 tackles, 7 sacks (41.5 yards), 7 TFL, 10 QB hurries, 2 forced fumbles, 2 passes defended
LB: Foye Oluokun, Jacksonville Jaguars, Yale – 17 starts: 184 tackles and 102 solos (both No. 1 in NFL), 2 sacks (12 yards), 12 TFL, 9 QB hurries, 2 forced fumbles, 5 passes defended
LB: Alex Singleton, Denver Broncos, Montana State – 17 games/12 starts: 152 tackles (No. 9 in NFL), 6 TFL, 3 QB hurries, 1 forced fumble, 3 passes defended
LB: Quincy Williams, New York Jets, Murray State – 15 starts: 106 tackles, 3 sacks (21 yards), 12 TFL, 6 QB hurries, 1 pass defended
CB: James Bradberry, New York Giants, Samford – 17 starts: 44 tackles, 2 TFL, 3 INTs (TD), 17 passes defended (No. 3 in NFL); All-Pro second team
CB: Taron Johnson, Buffalo Bills, Weber State – 16 games/15 starts: 98 tackles (No. 2 among NFL CBs), 67 solos (No. 3 among NFL CBs), 6 TFL, 1 fumble recovery, 1 INT, 9 passes defended (Honorable Mention: DaRon Bland, Dallas Cowboys, Sacramento State/Fresno State)
S: Nasir Adderley, Los Angeles Chargers, Delaware – 16 games/15 starts: 61 tackles, 1 TFL, 2 INTs, 4 passes defended (Honorable Mention: Jeremy Chinn, Carolina Panthers, Southern Illinois)
S: Ryan Neal, Seattle Seahawks, Southern Illinois – 14 games/10 starts: 66 tackles, 4 TFL, QB hurry, INT, 8 passes defended, 2 forced fumbles
Special Teams
PK: Jason Myers, Seattle Seahawks, Marist – 17 starts: 143 points (No. 1 among NFL PKs), 34 of 37 FG (91.9%), 56 long; 41 of 42 PATs (97.6%); 2nd Pro Bowl selection
P: Sam Martin, Buffalo Bills, Appalachian State – 16 starts: 45 punts, 47.7 average, 41.3 net average, 67 long (Honorable Mention: Jamie Gillan, New York Giants, Arkansas-Pine Bluff)
LS: Luke Rhodes, Indianapolis Colts, William & Mary – 17 starts: 2021 Pro Bowler has missed only one game in last six regular seasons
KR: Jamal Agnew, Jacksonville Jaguars, San Diego – 15 games: 21 returns, 547 yards, 26.0 average, 54 long
PR: Kalif Raymond, Detroit Lions, Holy Cross – 17 games: 20 returns, 264 yards, 13.2 average, 47 long for TD; All-Pro second team (Honorable Mention: DeAndre Carter, Los Angeles Chargers, Sacramento State)
ST: George Odum, San Francisco 49ers, Central Arkansas – 17 games: 21 special teams tackles and 15 solos (both No. 1 in NFL), 1 forced fumble; All-Pro second team (Honorable Mention: Caleb Johnson, Jacksonville Jaguars, HCU)
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Post by hchoops on Jan 19, 2023 14:51:07 GMT -5
Kalif’s 47 catches for 616 yds are slightly better than Watson’s. I do not know about those other stats.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 19, 2023 19:43:50 GMT -5
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Post by hc1998 on Jan 20, 2023 7:48:08 GMT -5
Kalif’s 47 catches for 616 yds are slightly better than Watson’s. I do not know about those other stars. Slightly...but I have no problem giving the nod to Watson when you consider he was a rookie who took a bit to find his stride in the offense, and once he did, he became a very integral part of that offense and the team started performing better. Through their first 6 games Kalif had 17 receptions for 238 yds, Watson merely 10/89. Thats not to take anything away from Kalif, and frankly in starting a team, depending on who else is in my receiving corps, I may pick Kalif first when you factor in his blocking, decoys, and punt returns...but I do think Watson had the better season as a wide receiver.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 21, 2023 0:02:02 GMT -5
Kalif’s 47 catches for 616 yds are slightly better than Watson’s. I do not know about those other stars. Slightly...but I have no problem giving the nod to Watson when you consider he was a rookie who took a bit to find his stride in the offense, and once he did, he became a very integral part of that offense and the team started performing better. Through their first 6 games Kalif had 17 receptions for 238 yds, Watson merely 10/89. Thats not to take anything away from Kalif, and frankly in starting a team, depending on who else is in my receiving corps, I may pick Kalif first when you factor in his blocking, decoys, and punt returns...but I do think Watson had the better season as a wide receiver. Sadly, we are going to have to drop your Crossports status back to “Charlie Mills Club” for this horrible anti-Kalif take. Shame on you!
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Post by alum on Jan 21, 2023 7:38:06 GMT -5
Kalif’s 47 catches for 616 yds are slightly better than Watson’s. I do not know about those other stars. Slightly...but I have no problem giving the nod to Watson when you consider he was a rookie who took a bit to find his stride in the offense, and once he did, he became a very integral part of that offense and the team started performing better. Through their first 6 games Kalif had 17 receptions for 238 yds, Watson merely 10/89. Thats not to take anything away from Kalif, and frankly in starting a team, depending on who else is in my receiving corps, I may pick Kalif first when you factor in his blocking, decoys, and punt returns...but I do think Watson had the better season as a wide receiver. With this unacceptable take about football, I can only assume that you finance your waterbed and don’t have a vintage globe, a slightly used set of encyclopedias, a corner apartment, a fully loaded 2011 Taurus ,unlimited laser printing privileges, or a reserved booth at Beef O’Brady’s.😎
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Post by hc1998 on Jan 22, 2023 21:18:06 GMT -5
Shows what you know...I inherited my waterbed from my uncle when he passed in 1993
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Post by breezy on Jan 23, 2023 19:39:58 GMT -5
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Post by breezy on Jan 27, 2023 10:40:52 GMT -5
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Kalif 2022
Jan 28, 2023 21:14:35 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Jan 28, 2023 21:14:35 GMT -5
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Post by matunuck on Jan 29, 2023 11:16:07 GMT -5
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 31, 2023 12:27:56 GMT -5
This is why the Pro Bowl is an afterthought versus All Pro: www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35563722/qbs-tyler-huntley-trevor-lawrence-added-pro-bowl-rostersAll Pro doesn't have a game. If you were good, you're named, and that's it. The Pro Bowl is fan voting and spectacle and BS. And since they still play a [flag football] game, they have to fill the rosters. So between injury, Super Bowl appearance requirements, and apathy, you have to scrape further down the barrel. This is the most embarrassing/weak example of it I am aware of yet.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 31, 2023 12:53:22 GMT -5
Years ago promising young Pats RB Robert Edwards tore his knee apart during a flag football game at the Pro Bowl (on sand; don't know if they still do that). He was pretty much dunski after that.
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