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Post by longsuffering on Mar 23, 2022 17:34:17 GMT -5
Nice attitude...and that is from a NY Yankee fan. RGS, Yankess? There is a glimmer of hope, I hope. Like you & Tom & the posters I wish health and love to CT & all. But, TBT I have trouble not wishing the ultimate end & eternal punishment for Vlad. And, these hateful feelings lead to feelings of discomfort.Need to pray on it. Stay well. mm St. Ignatius was at the pro day handing out dispensations to hate Vlad.🙂
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 23, 2022 20:10:19 GMT -5
During the papacy of JPII a Vatican observer told me: "The Pope is never sick until he dies." His point was well taken. Some in public office are quite transparent about their health (eg RBG). Whereas others(egJFK) are opaque. There are reasons for both sides ranging from concern about wielding the prerogatives of the office to contempt for the media. Hope CT is able to get back on his feet. There is a conspiracy theory that says Benedict took one for the team when he retired to set a precedent for papal retirement. Supposedly everyone in the Vatican knew JPII didn't have all of his mental faculties in his final years, but there was no vehicle to do anything about it. Off topic, I also hope Justice Thomas has a speedy recovery because 1) He's a Crusader 2) He's a human being and, other than the Yankees and Lakers, I don't wish bad things on human beings I thought Benedict retired due to the Sex Abuse scandals in the churches and how he covered them up....He is still alive!
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Post by mm67 on Mar 24, 2022 7:23:52 GMT -5
Re: Clarence Thomas. The announcement of Thomas' hospitalization was vague and used the most general terms. Flu like symptoms does not reveal much. These symptoms can be caused by any number of illnesses some of which may be minor but some quite serious. Infection is a blanket term which has been used in prior announcements to describe a simple infection or in fact cancer,( I do not view cancer as an infection. Nevertheless, the two have been linked in public announcements in the past.) TBT we do not know the medical condition of Thomas. We do know it was serious enough to require hospitalization. We hope for the best. Let's hope he has a speedy recovery and is released from the hospital soon, today would be great. And, that he is as "fit as a fiddle."
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Post by hcpride on Mar 24, 2022 7:48:11 GMT -5
I remember liberal champion Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg being very seriously ill (and hospitalized) more than once for various cancers and certain publications at certain times suggesting she step down. Ultimately, as we know, she died 'in office' at age 87 in 2020. And sharp as a tack till the very end.
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Post by mm67 on Mar 24, 2022 8:23:12 GMT -5
Agree about RBG. We can only hope the same for CT at age 87+. With public figures there are competing interests between the individuals' right of privacy(penumbra" of the 4th Ad.) and the public's "right" to know. This creates a tension between the two. Pres. Eisenhower kept from the public the extent of his heart problems. JFK famously hid his Addison Disease as well as other purported "issues." Many state their preference for transparency, others no so much. Probably it is best to decide case by case based on what best serves the national interest. Personally, I see no public benefit in releasing Thomas' true state of health at this time except some might say it is vital to release in toto his health records to promote the concept of transparency in all areas of public life. Public service demands public accountability. I do favor his privacy at this time. Interesting.
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Post by Tom on Mar 24, 2022 11:25:46 GMT -5
I remember liberal champion Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg being very seriously ill (and hospitalized) more than once for various cancers and certain publications at certain times suggesting she step down. Ultimately, as we know, she died 'in office' at age 87 in 2020. And sharp as a tack till the very end. RGB was a very very rare person. There are not many people I would want in that kind of a position of responsibility in their 80's
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 24, 2022 11:41:31 GMT -5
I remember liberal champion Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg being very seriously ill (and hospitalized) more than once for various cancers and certain publications at certain times suggesting she step down. Ultimately, as we know, she died 'in office' at age 87 in 2020. And sharp as a tack till the very end. RGB was a very very rare person. There are not many people I would want in that kind of a position of responsibility in their 80's I admired RGB, and agree she was sharp to the end, but it's also difficult to imagine that her many serious health problems didn't have some effect on her ability to carry out her duties. Mandatory retirement would help with this. It's fair because it would apply equally to everyone, no exceptions. It's also good to get some new blood on the Court, notwithstanding the loathsome confirmation process in the Senate.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 24, 2022 11:53:26 GMT -5
I admired RBG as well. She accomplished so many things that to list them would take far too long. I disagreed with her at times in her last decade but I always respected the person that she was.
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Post by mm67 on Mar 24, 2022 12:04:29 GMT -5
And, can we all agree to hope for and pray(?) for the recovery & good health of CT?
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Post by Tom on Mar 24, 2022 12:17:05 GMT -5
RGB would never cut it today.
She has said that she considered Justice Scalia a friend. Today it is against protocols to be civil to someone with a different political opinion than yours, never mind actually be friends with someone like that.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 24, 2022 17:10:20 GMT -5
Agree about RBG. We can only hope the same for CT at age 87+. With public figures there are competing interests between the individuals' right of privacy(penumbra" of the 4th Ad.) and the public's "right" to know. This creates a tension between the two. Pres. Eisenhower kept from the public the extent of his heart problems. JFK famously hid his Addison Disease as well as other purported "issues." Many state their preference for transparency, others no so much. Probably it is best to decide case by case based on what best serves the national interest. Personally, I see no public benefit in releasing Thomas' true state of health at this time except some might say it is vital to release in toto his health records to promote the concept of transparency in all areas of public life. Public service demands public accountability. I do favor his privacy at this time. Interesting. CT does not have his finger on the nuclear button so his health status isn't a pressing national issue unless it effects his job performance. He probably hasn't taken any more sick time than the average justice.
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 24, 2022 18:47:45 GMT -5
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Post by clmetsfan on Mar 25, 2022 8:54:23 GMT -5
Voting against the release of National Archives records (without writing a dissent) after his wife was privately lobbying White House officials to overturn an election would appear to be incredibly unethical.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 25, 2022 8:57:04 GMT -5
I am glad the courts do not act simply on "appearances." Of course, the public will often judge based on little beyond those same appearances.
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Post by clmetsfan on Mar 25, 2022 9:01:55 GMT -5
I am glad the courts do not act simply on "appearances." Of course, the public will often judge based on little beyond those same appearances. Fortunately for him he's pretty much free from consequences even if those appearances are 100% factual. Must be nice.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 25, 2022 9:03:38 GMT -5
Assuming the accusations might 100% correct...having such trust in a partisan media must be nice.
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Post by clmetsfan on Mar 25, 2022 9:06:38 GMT -5
LOL ah yes I'm sure the text messages obtained by multiple independent news outlets are all fake and part of a liberal conspiracy to smear this great man and his totally unseditious wife.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 25, 2022 9:08:39 GMT -5
If that happened, it would not be the first time. I have not. seen any media "reports" state of a septic connection of the texts with the justice that you imply exists here...unless, that is, one believes his wife is not her own person and is merely an extension of her husband.
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Post by clmetsfan on Mar 25, 2022 9:14:31 GMT -5
It would not be the first time, and I have not. seen any state the connection with the justice that you imply exists here...unless, that is, one believes his wife is not her own person and is merely an extension of her husband. You're a smart guy, I'm sure you're aware of the rules around conflicts of interest when a judge is ruling on a case that involves activities that their spouse was directly involved in. You're not that naive.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 25, 2022 9:48:35 GMT -5
Assuming the accusations might 100% correct...having such trust in a partisan media must be nice. There is just no way certain outlets can possibly blow something way out of proportion relative to a black conservative justice or a member of his family. No way.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 25, 2022 9:51:27 GMT -5
Assuming the accusations might 100% correct...having such trust in a partisan media must be nice. The texts in question were turned over by Mark Meadows, Trump's COS, via his lawyer. That's a pretty good source. The wife of a sitting Supreme Court justice essentially texted the COS urging a coup in nutty inflammatory language (e.g., lock up the Biden crime family on barges outside Gitmo and try them for sedition). The Supreme Court declined 8-1 to block the former administration from turning Jan . 6 records to Congress. The only vote to block the turnover of the records was Thomas. This is at least the appearance of a conflict and needs an explanation. Justice Thomas should provide one.
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Post by alum on Mar 25, 2022 9:53:35 GMT -5
I am glad the courts do not act simply on "appearances." Of course, the public will often judge based on little beyond those same appearances. Actually, judges do act on recusal on the basis of appearance of improprieties. From the Canons of Code of Conduct for Federal Judges. Canon 2: A Judge Should Avoid Impropriety and the Appearance of Impropriety in all Activities
(A) Respect for Law. A judge should respect and comply with the law and should act at all times in a manner that promotes public confidence in the integrity and impartiality of the judiciary.
(B) Outside Influence. A judge should not allow family, social, political, financial, or other relationships to influence judicial conduct or judgment. A judge should neither lend the prestige of the judicial office to advance the private interests of the judge or others nor convey or permit others to convey the impression that they are in a special position to influence the judge. A judge should not testify voluntarily as a character witness.
(C) Nondiscriminatory Membership. A judge should not hold membership in any organization that practices invidious discrimination on the basis of race, sex, religion, or national origin.
Of course, these don't apply to Supreme Court justices. There is some basis for a different standard since on lower courts there is always another judge who can take a case which is obviously not so at SCOTUS. (Many state Supreme Courts pull up judges from lower courts to fill panels but that seems like a bad idea at SCOTUS.)
This is dangerous territory. It is certainly possible that they don't talk shop at home and her actions have no impact on his work, but some are going to question it. I also don't want a rule that says that spouses cannot have jobs or interests. The challenge for today is whether a ruling on former presidential privacy could help Mrs. Thomas personally or professionally. If so, I think CT has a problem. IIRC from a book by Evan Thomas I read, Justice O'Connor's husband took a job briefly with a DC firm when they moved to Washington. He quit pretty soon in part because there seemed to be the potential for conflicts for his firm.
The nominee indicated she would recuse herself from participating in the court's deliberations concerning the Harvard admissions case. That would seem necessary because she is a member of Harvard's governing body. I imagine she will resign from that eventually, but I am sure she has been present for discussions about the litigation. I wonder if the court will add a similar second case now in order to find a case where they can all participate.
I have tried to make this response non political.
EDIT: There is an equally toothless provision in the US Code about recusal as it applies to all federal judges/ justices including the Supreme Court.
28 U.S. Code § 455 - Disqualification of justice, judge, or magistrate judge
(a)Any justice, judge, or magistrate judge of the United States shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.
It would seem to me that as to a justice, the only check on his or her decisionmaking in this regard would be impeachment, for which there would never be bipartisan support unless a justice is taking cash in a bag.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 25, 2022 9:53:37 GMT -5
Assuming the accusations might 100% correct...having such trust in a partisan media must be nice. The texts in question were turned over by Mark Meadows, Trump's COS, via his lawyer. That's a pretty good source. The wife of a sitting Supreme Court justice essentially texted the COS urging a coup in nutty inflammatory language (e.g., lock up the Biden crime family on barges outside Gitmo and try them for sedition). The Supreme Court declined 8-1 to block the former administration from turning Jan . 6 records to Congress. The only vote to block the turnover of the records was Thomas. This is at least the appearance of a conflict and needs an explanation. Justice Thomas should provide one. I bet 50 famous jurists agree!! Back to the thread, it has been reported that Justice Thomas was released from the hospital this morning: Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas was discharged from the hospital Friday, a week after he was admitted with an infection, a court spokeswoman said.
Thomas, 73, was treated with antibiotics at Sibley Memorial Hospital in Washington, D.C., according to the court. A spokeswoman disclosed the justice's health issue on Sunday night, two days after he was admitted, saying in a press release that Thomas' symptoms were "abating" after antibiotics.www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/03/25/supreme-court-justice-clarence-thomas-discharged-from-hospital.html
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Post by alum on Mar 25, 2022 9:56:44 GMT -5
The texts in question were turned over by Mark Meadows, Trump's COS, via his lawyer. That's a pretty good source. The wife of a sitting Supreme Court justice essentially texted the COS urging a coup in nutty inflammatory language (e.g., lock up the Biden crime family on barges outside Gitmo and try them for sedition). The Supreme Court declined 8-1 to block the former administration from turning Jan . 6 records to Congress. The only vote to block the turnover of the records was Thomas. This is at least the appearance of a conflict and needs an explanation. Justice Thomas should provide one. I bet 50 famous jurists agree!! Back to the thread, it’s been reported that Justice Thomas was released from the hospital his morning:
Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas was discharged from the hospital Friday, a week after he was admitted with an infection, a court spokeswoman said.
Thomas, 73, was treated with antibiotics at Sibley Memorial Hospital in Washington, D.C., according to the court. A spokeswoman disclosed the justice's health issue on Sunday night, two days after he was admitted, saying in a press release that Thomas' symptoms were "abating" after antibiotics.
www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/03/25/supreme-court-justice-clarence-thomas-discharged-from-hospital.htmlThat's good news.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 25, 2022 10:02:04 GMT -5
CT is still in the hospital apparently, this would be his eighth day.________________________ I know Ginni Thomas from decades ago, when she was a staff person to then majority leader Dick Armey, and the Executive, where I worked, and the legislative, where she worked, were engaged in a mutual endeavor. Ginni introduced me to CT at a social gathering, and this occasion was my one and only conversation with him. Ginni apologized to CT's law clerks in February 2021, for having introduced partisan politics into a listserv bulletin board of former clerks for CT. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/ginni-thomas-apology-clarence-thomas-clerks-trump-rally/2021/02/02/a9818cce-6496-11eb-8c64-9595888caa15_story.htmlFrom the WaPo article. Eastman appears to be in some legal peril. . In Ginni's text messages with Mark Meadows, she championed Sidney Powell, the lawyer who promoted the most outlandish claims about a stolen election. Powell is in legal difficulty as well; below, an example of her legal woes. March 8, 2022 www.courthousenews.com/texas-bar-files-disciplinary-action-against-former-trump-attorney/
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