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Post by hcgrad94 on Nov 13, 2016 18:10:57 GMT -5
You answered that question yesterday....can't be in one division without downgrading every sport. ...and just for informational purposes, football in New England below D1 is all non-scholarship. Just the way the D2 schools involved want to do it. When those schools get to post season play they are at a big disadvantage...and why you don't see too many of them playing FCS games. Not true. Bentley, Assumption etc give scholarships. D2 is a non starter and anyone who suggests it is completely delusional.
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Post by joe on Nov 13, 2016 18:22:25 GMT -5
D3 schools give scholarships now?
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Post by alumni111 on Nov 13, 2016 19:17:31 GMT -5
Enough with blaming Admissions. Its policies have been relatively consistent over the years, while the major variables in football have been the quality of each recruiting class and the coaching they've received (not just TG -- the assistants play a large part, too. Think of the great assistants/recruiters that were part of the program through the Duffner era). Think about this -- the only two Admissions directors HC has had over the past 40+ years are Jim Halpin and Ann, and Ann was admitted as a student by Jim. And Admissions policy is set by the College, not the director. Finally, was Admissions being blamed for the post-Ralph Willard years, or praised while he was here?
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Post by hcgrad94 on Nov 13, 2016 19:21:08 GMT -5
D3 schools give scholarships now? No D2. Assumption Bentley etc.
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Post by deep Purple on Nov 13, 2016 19:22:52 GMT -5
If he isn't going to be retained, hopefully that decision is made as soon as possible. NLI day is 2/1/17 so it's a just over 2 months to hire a new head coach, new staff and retain commits and close on others.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 13, 2016 21:34:56 GMT -5
Enough with blaming Admissions. Its policies have been relatively consistent over the years, while the major variables in football have been the quality of each recruiting class and the coaching they've received (not just TG -- the assistants play a large part, too. Think of the great assistants/recruiters that were part of the program through the Duffner era). Think about this -- the only two Admissions directors HC has had over the past 40+ years are Jim Halpin and Ann, and Ann was admitted as a student by Jim. And Admissions policy is set by the College, not the director. Finally, was Admissions being blamed for the post-Ralph Willard years, or praised while he was here? After Jim Halpin, Bill Mason was the Director of Admissions. Bill came to HC from Bowdoin in 1991,and served as Director of Admission from 1991 until 1994. Ann became Director in 1994..
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Post by bison137 on Nov 13, 2016 23:06:34 GMT -5
Don't blame Nate Pine, the problem starts at the Admissions Office. Ask any coach and they will tell you where the problem is. We have lost many top athletes to other PL schools because they did not get accepted while the other schools took the athletes. Some even were accepted into Ivy League schools and were rejected at Mt. Saint James. Coaches at Colgate, Lafayette, and Bucknell will tell you the same thing. Everyone has their anecdotes about athletes who got admitted at competitors' schools, since Admissions is an inexact science.
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Post by sarasota on Nov 14, 2016 1:11:24 GMT -5
alumni111- My questions about Admissions is in the context of fball not bball. And I know we can't have bball at D1 and all other sports in D2. That's the insanity of the Monster Monopoly NCAA. Someday somebody will break their monopoly.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 14, 2016 7:25:23 GMT -5
The complaints about Ann and Admissions existed for years on the old board. They subsided with the return to merit scollies.
In all those years of complaint (at least with respect to football), I remember only one instance which seemed to be credibly sourced, and that was HC 'stealing' a lineman from Lehigh by offering him more money.
So I am left to wonder whether the so-called complaints were not so much about admissions, as about the amount of financial aid that HC was willing to offer. _______________________________________ I looked at the players with roster numbers 1-20 on Fordham's roster. Obviously, these numbers tend to be players playing certain positions. If more than one player had the same number, I only counted a player who had participated. Only one freshman on the roster with a number within the range, and he was not counted.
class / race / major So B Marketing So B Bus Adm Sr B Communications So B No major So Mixed Economics Sr B Economics So Mixed No major Jr W Communications So B No major Sr H Communications So W No major Sr B Computer Science So W No major So B Business Sr W Business Administration So B Information and Communication Systems Sr B Psychology and Sociology So W Finance Sr W Finance So B Bus Adm Jr B Psychology Sr W Finance So B No major
23 individuals total. H = Hispanic, Mixed = B/W parentage (an educated guess) Of the 17 with majors, five have majors offered by HC.
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Post by ncaam on Nov 14, 2016 7:37:04 GMT -5
Almost all bball players at AU majoring in bizness.
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Post by sarasota on Nov 14, 2016 8:39:32 GMT -5
PP- Thanks for reminding us that Financial Aid is as important or more important than Admission. It would be difficult to study this whole area. I believe IL schools are required to disclose Admissions facts to each other. Not sure about the PL in this regard. Also not sure if Fin Aid data need be disclosed within the IL.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 14, 2016 9:12:59 GMT -5
PP- Thanks for reminding us that Financial Aid is as important or more important than Admission. It would be difficult to study this whole area. I believe IL schools are required to disclose Admissions facts to each other. Not sure about the PL in this regard. Also not sure if Fin Aid data need be disclosed within the IL. The WSJ article that is the basis for the Harvard trying to be Duke thread references that all eight schools in the IL have upped their game, when it comes to financial aid. One would probably have to pretend to be seeking financial aid from an Ivy (they all have on-line calculators that will estimate how much you might get) to see the differences in aid among the schools. About five years ago -- I don't have info on whether it has changed -- Harvard did not consider home equity in a house in calculating the amount of parental contribution. Another Ivy did consider home equity. Just on that basis, Harvard's fin aid offer would likely be more generous. Posters should not overlook that if UNH offers a kid a half scollie, and HC offers the same kid a half scollie, the cost to that kid's parents of playing football at HC will be appreciably higher than if he plays at UNH. When it comes to roster management in the FCS (and assuming no playing around with redshirts) basically you get two deep on full scollies, and the rest of the roster is partial scollies or walk-ons. To be successful, one has to a.) recruit very well for the two deep, and hope/pray for few injuries; b.) recruit and enroll quality players who are paying to play football, and didn't get a better financial offer from another school. .
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Post by nhteamer on Nov 14, 2016 10:30:48 GMT -5
There is no lamer direction that these thread go than "boo-hoo, the Admissions office is mean." Go find a safe space and play with some Play-dough
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 14, 2016 10:33:26 GMT -5
Almost all bball players at AU majoring in bizness. Cute
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Post by matunuck on Nov 14, 2016 10:33:54 GMT -5
Though dated, the list below is from a 2010 Wall Street Journal piece. I suspect for more academically inclined FCS schools there are more players majoring in the arts & sciences than BCS starters. I don’t buy that our majors are the problem.
Some of the most common listed majors of BCS week-one football starters.
Business 155 Sociology 134 Communications 108 Liberal Arts 103 General Studies 91 Sports and Exercise 79 Social Work 65 Law and Justice 61 Education 35 History 25 Psychology 25 Engineering 20
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