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Post by hcpride on Apr 1, 2022 19:21:07 GMT -5
Interesting article linking Villanova’s sports success with Villanova’s growing popularity and academic profile. “Villanova accepted 23% of its 23,813 applicants this year, compared to 43% in 2016 when they won the national men's basketball championship. …Villanova accepted 23% of its 23,813 applicants this year. The average student at Villanova has more than a 4.0 GPA weighted average from their high school and SATs of about 1450 on a 1600 scale, said Patrick G. Maggitti, Villanova provost…. Success in the NCAA tournament brings countless publicity opportunities, Villanova has found. In 2016, from March 17 to April 7, the school’s website, Villanova.edu, recorded 1.9 million visits, up more than 1 million from the same period in 2015…. The school received nearly 50,000 media mentions or citations from the start of March Madness that year through the championship game and parade. Villanova found itself on the front page of nearly 200 newspapers — including the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post and Philadelphia Inquirer — and Sports Illustrated.” www.inquirer.com/news/villanova-basketball-academics-championship-more-selective-20220401.html?outputType=amp And a neat look at the projected academic winner of March Madness this year: www.insidehighered.com/news/2022/03/14/who-would-win-ncaa-basketball-tournament-if-academics-ruled |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 1, 2022 20:31:10 GMT -5
On the brackets, I don't believe Kentucky had a higher APR than Yale. Yale's APR was tied for third nationally. IIRC, HC was ranked above Yale.
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On applications, Colgate received 21,153 applications for 800? slots. Villanova 23,813 for 1750? slots. Applicants to Colgate obviously overlooked the football team's loss to HC.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 1, 2022 21:27:05 GMT -5
On the brackets, I don't believe Kentucky had a higher APR than Yale. Yale's APR was tied for third nationally. IIRC, HC was ranked above Yale. ------------------------------- On applications, Colgate received 21,153 applications for 800? slots. Villanova 23,813 for 1750? slots. Applicants to Colgate obviously overlooked the football team's loss to HC. Applicants probably were looking at Colgate Basketball program... |
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Post by hc87 on Apr 2, 2022 0:56:33 GMT -5
It's just sad to see....30-40 years ago the Villanova and BC applicants were the safety schools for HC applicants...maybe we should have joined the Big East?  |
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Post by hcpride on Apr 2, 2022 1:48:02 GMT -5
It's just sad to see....30-40 years ago the Villanova and BC applicants were the safety schools for HC applicants...maybe we should have joined the Big East? If it is any comfort BU and Northeastern were also safety schools for HC at that time and have shot past us without joining the Big East. |
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Post by princetoncrusader on Apr 2, 2022 8:16:41 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 2, 2022 14:29:33 GMT -5
It's just sad to see....30-40 years ago the Villanova and BC applicants were the safety schools for HC applicants...maybe we should have joined the Big East? If it is any comfort BU and Northeastern were also safety schools for HC at that time and have shot past us without joining the Big East. We should have moved to Boston The home of the bean and the cod, Where BU, BC and NU are rising, and Harvard is next to God. |
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Post by matunuck on Apr 2, 2022 15:42:40 GMT -5
Our new president fully understands how much we botched our admissions outreach and process. Make no mistake we did botch it, and it’s not because of the name of the school or its location or all the other victimhood excuses. We should have many more apps than we now get. I’m confident VR will right the ship.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 2, 2022 16:03:41 GMT -5
BC got on the national media board yesterday. I was watching a Professor in the BC School of Social Work explain the developmental effect on Ukrainian children from living through these bombings on one of the national news channels.
An HC Psychology Professor who teaches developmental psychology could have done the same thing. I don't think HC should start chasing klieg lights but letting the media know which experts in the faculty are available for comment and assigning some one to keep relationships with media schedulers active makes good sense.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 2, 2022 17:42:26 GMT -5
I did that for Mercy College a few times after losses when the school would be asked by media outlets of they had someone to whom they could speak about the issue. It did give good publicity to the college without looking as if we were trying to blow our own horn. HC knows how it works. I also hope we see more of our faculty experts being called upon in the future.
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on Apr 2, 2022 20:04:36 GMT -5
If it is any comfort BU and Northeastern were also safety schools for HC at that time and have shot past us without joining the Big East. We should have moved to Boston The home of the bean and the cod, Where BU, BC and NU are rising, and Harvard is next to God. People on this board lament why Holy Cross has lost the support of the local Worcester citizens. Then you read a comment like this….. |
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 2, 2022 20:25:25 GMT -5
We should have moved to Boston The home of the bean and the cod, Where BU, BC and NU are rising, and Harvard is next to God. People on this board lament why Holy Cross has lost the support of the local Worcester citizens. Then you read a comment like this….. Sorry to offend. As an older person I'll take Worcester over big city congestion any day. HC is right off the interstate and requires no driving in traffic to get to and I am familiar with the city so it's a perfect location for me. Unfortunately there does seem to be a trend of college students being attracted to vibrant large cities like Boston, NY, Philadelphia, D.C., etc. This replaces a previous trend during a wave of urban crime and violence (90's?) when parents were attracted to safe, self contained campuses for their kids going off to college. That might explain why schools like BU and Northeastern whose campuses are not self contained but instead are integrated with the city have risen in appeal in the past 20-25 years. You realize HC is not moving anywhere. They'll be taking parcels off the tax rolls in Worcester for generations to come.🙂. We all want HC to give Worcester something to be proud of, such as a Cinderella run in the big dance like PC just excited the city of Providence with and St. Peter's did for Jersey City. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 3, 2022 12:11:39 GMT -5
People on this board lament why Holy Cross has lost the support of the local Worcester citizens. Then you read a comment like this….. Sorry to offend. As an older person I'll take Worcester over big city congestion any day. HC is right off the interstate and requires no driving in traffic to get to and I am familiar with the city so it's a perfect location for me. Unfortunately there does seem to be a trend of college students being attracted to vibrant large cities like Boston, NY, Philadelphia, D.C., etc. This replaces a previous trend during a wave of urban crime and violence (90's?) when parents were attracted to safe, self contained campuses for their kids going off to college. That might explain why schools like BU and Northeastern whose campuses are not self contained but instead are integrated with the city have risen in appeal in the past 20-25 years. You realize HC is not moving anywhere. They'll be taking parcels off the tax rolls in Worcester for generations to come.🙂. We all want HC to give Worcester something to be proud of, such as a Cinderella run in the big dance like PC just excited the city of Providence with and St. Peter's did for Jersey City. With the dramatic increase in criime in certain cities in the past two years it will be interesting to see if it affects applications to the colleges in those cities |
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on Apr 3, 2022 12:41:32 GMT -5
People on this board lament why Holy Cross has lost the support of the local Worcester citizens. Then you read a comment like this….. Sorry to offend. As an older person I'll take Worcester over big city congestion any day. HC is right off the interstate and requires no driving in traffic to get to and I am familiar with the city so it's a perfect location for me. Unfortunately there does seem to be a trend of college students being attracted to vibrant large cities like Boston, NY, Philadelphia, D.C., etc. This replaces a previous trend during a wave of urban crime and violence (90's?) when parents were attracted to safe, self contained campuses for their kids going off to college. That might explain why schools like BU and Northeastern whose campuses are not self contained but instead are integrated with the city have risen in appeal in the past 20-25 years. You realize HC is not moving anywhere. They'll be taking parcels off the tax rolls in Worcester for generations to come.🙂. We all want HC to give Worcester something to be proud of, such as a Cinderella run in the big dance like PC just excited the city of Providence with and St. Peter's did for Jersey City. Strange how not being in a big city doesn’t affect schools like Colgate, in that metropolis of Hamilton. I know a couple Colgate grads, never heard them say the location of that school is holding them back. |
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Post by Chu Chu on Apr 3, 2022 13:23:29 GMT -5
BC got on the national media board yesterday. I was watching a Professor in the BC School of Social Work explain the developmental effect on Ukrainian children from living through these bombings on one of the national news channels. An HC Psychology Professor who teaches developmental psychology could have done the same thing. I don't think HC should start chasing klieg lights but letting the media know which experts in the faculty are available for comment and assigning some one to keep relationships with media schedulers active makes good sense. Holy Cross does do this, longsuffering! I have seen several faculty members in the media over the years. www.holycross.edu/faculty-experts-media |
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 3, 2022 15:23:02 GMT -5
BC got on the national media board yesterday. I was watching a Professor in the BC School of Social Work explain the developmental effect on Ukrainian children from living through these bombings on one of the national news channels. An HC Psychology Professor who teaches developmental psychology could have done the same thing. I don't think HC should start chasing klieg lights but letting the media know which experts in the faculty are available for comment and assigning some one to keep relationships with media schedulers active makes good sense. Holy Cross does do this, longsuffering! I have seen several faculty members in the media over the years. www.holycross.edu/faculty-experts-mediaImpressive! |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 3, 2022 15:53:11 GMT -5
It's just sad to see....30-40 years ago the Villanova and BC applicants were the safety schools for HC applicants...maybe we should have joined the Big East?  If it is any comfort BU and Northeastern were also safety schools for HC at that time and have shot past us without joining the Big East. When I was a senior in HS in 2005-2006, BU, Northeastern and Villanova were all definitely "safety schools" relative to Holy Cross. That was 16 years ago. Boston College was definitely a more competitive school than Holy Cross to get into at that time, though it wouldn't have been terribly uncommon for someone to choose HC over BC. Not sure if that's still the case. An anecdote from a HC classmate of mine who went to Pelham Memorial HS in Westchester County, not far from where I live -- supposedly out of about 160 graduates of Pelham in 2006, 50 applied to BC. That's how hot BC was already at that point. I think Boston is just a really hot college town in general now. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 3, 2022 16:00:23 GMT -5
Sorry to offend. As an older person I'll take Worcester over big city congestion any day. HC is right off the interstate and requires no driving in traffic to get to and I am familiar with the city so it's a perfect location for me. Unfortunately there does seem to be a trend of college students being attracted to vibrant large cities like Boston, NY, Philadelphia, D.C., etc. This replaces a previous trend during a wave of urban crime and violence (90's?) when parents were attracted to safe, self contained campuses for their kids going off to college. That might explain why schools like BU and Northeastern whose campuses are not self contained but instead are integrated with the city have risen in appeal in the past 20-25 years. You realize HC is not moving anywhere. They'll be taking parcels off the tax rolls in Worcester for generations to come.🙂. We all want HC to give Worcester something to be proud of, such as a Cinderella run in the big dance like PC just excited the city of Providence with and St. Peter's did for Jersey City. Strange how not being in a big city doesn’t affect schools like Colgate, in that metropolis of Hamilton. I know a couple Colgate grads, never heard them say the location of that school is holding them back. I think the difference maybe that the typical applicant to Holy Cross and the typical applicant to Colgate are generally different people. The typical HC applicant also looks at the likes of BC, Villanova, Fordham, Providence, Loyola. The typical Colgate applicant also applied to the likes of Hamilton, Middlebury, Bates, Bowdoin, Amherst, Williams and Bucknell. |
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Post by crusader1970 on Apr 5, 2022 10:27:49 GMT -5
Interesting article linking Villanova’s sports success with Villanova’s growing popularity and academic profile. “Villanova accepted 23% of its 23,813 applicants this year, compared to 43% in 2016 when they won the national men's basketball championship. …Villanova accepted 23% of its 23,813 applicants this year. The average student at Villanova has more than a 4.0 GPA weighted average from their high school and SATs of about 1450 on a 1600 scale, said Patrick G. Maggitti, Villanova provost….
Success in the NCAA tournament brings countless publicity opportunities, Villanova has found. In 2016, from March 17 to April 7, the school’s website, Villanova.edu, recorded 1.9 million visits, up more than 1 million from the same period in 2015…. The school received nearly 50,000 media mentions or citations from the start of March Madness that year through the championship game and parade. Villanova found itself on the front page of nearly 200 newspapers — including the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post and Philadelphia Inquirer — and Sports Illustrated.” www.inquirer.com/news/villanova-basketball-academics-championship-more-selective-20220401.html?outputType=amp And a neat look at the projected academic winner of March Madness this year: www.insidehighered.com/news/2022/03/14/who-would-win-ncaa-basketball-tournament-if-academics-ruled I have been deeply involved in college recruiting for the last 10 years and, in that role, have had access to the GPA and SAT profiles of many students who applied to my college but decided to attend Villanova. I can say with 100% certainty that very few of them had the kind of numbers Mr Maggitti is quoting. I guess the were all "below average" applicants.  |
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 5, 2022 11:01:26 GMT -5
Strange how not being in a big city doesn’t affect schools like Colgate, in that metropolis of Hamilton. I know a couple Colgate grads, never heard them say the location of that school is holding them back. I think the difference maybe that the typical applicant to Holy Cross and the typical applicant to Colgate are generally different people. The typical HC applicant also looks at the likes of BC, Villanova, Fordham, Providence, Loyola. The typical Colgate applicant also applied to the likes of Hamilton, Middlebury, Bates, Bowdoin, Amherst, Williams and Bucknell. Sounds like that typical Colgate applicant wears a tweed jacket to class at his leafy prep school. |
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Post by hcpride on Apr 5, 2022 11:45:03 GMT -5
Interesting article linking Villanova’s sports success with Villanova’s growing popularity and academic profile. “Villanova accepted 23% of its 23,813 applicants this year, compared to 43% in 2016 when they won the national men's basketball championship. …Villanova accepted 23% of its 23,813 applicants this year. The average student at Villanova has more than a 4.0 GPA weighted average from their high school and SATs of about 1450 on a 1600 scale, said Patrick G. Maggitti, Villanova provost….
I have been deeply involved in college recruiting for the last 10 years and, in that role, have had access to the GPA and SAT profiles of many students who applied to my college but decided to attend Villanova. I can say with 100% certainty that very few of them had the kind of numbers Mr Maggitti is quoting. I guess the were all "below average" applicants. 1. You may be deeply involved with a small sample size or you may be forgetting the wonders of test-score-optional practices. Or both. Straight from Villanova's website for this cycle's admitted (albeit not enrolled) group: 1430-1520 MIDDLE 50% SAT* and 32-35 MIDDLE 50% ACT* and 4.17-4.56 MIDDLE 50% WEIGHTED GPA (* When reported. Villanova is test-optional for the Classes of 2025, 2026 and 2027.) www1.villanova.edu/university/undergraduate-admission/applying-to-villanova/admission-profile.html2. I know one has to do a bit of extrapolation but it seems to me Mr. Maggitti is on target based on both the actual facts AND judging from the high school kids I know who applied to the usual ND-BC-Nova set. 3. No doubt you already know this but USN&WR lists their top four applicant overlap schools as BC, Northeastern, Notre Dame, and University of Pennsylvania. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 5, 2022 13:06:46 GMT -5
On applications, Colgate received 21,153 applications for 800? slots. Villanova 23,813 for 1750? slots. Applicants to Colgate obviously overlooked the football team's loss to HC. Yes, Villanova is taking advantage of the opportunity. It's new peer is Boston College, not St. Joe's. But quality always trumps quantity. Fordham received twice as many applicants as Villanova--over 46,000, according to its web site. Yet Fordham's yield (percentage of accepted students that enroll) was just 10%, or nine out of ten kids with an offer to attend Fordham went elsewhere. Villanova's yield is 33%--not great, but better than most. From a distance, it will be very interesting to see how Holy Cross positions itself for the road ahead. Some schools are scrambling to reposition themselves in an age of declining high school populations in the Northeast and the rush to SAT-optional or require no tests at all (some others are doubling down on SAT's, but that's another topic.). Add in the opportunities and challenges recruiting as an LAC, Catholic identity, Worcester, multiculturalism, etc., and the next decade offers the new HC administration many different options on how to position itself for the road ahead. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 5, 2022 14:11:50 GMT -5
But, from the many posts for many months it is clear that the VU Wildcats have captured the imagination of the nation. From a third rate jock school to one of the preeminent colleges in the nation, far exceeding HC and others one has to marvel at the growth of the great VU. Not HC Pride because there is little to be proud of but Villanova Pride which provides an opportunity to stick it & own the ill informed HC alums. And, Philly with its main line much like VU is a truly great world class city unlike Boston with its inferior SAT scores. ALL HAIL VU. They hyperbole on this topic is getting a little bit excessive. Villanova may have been a peer school to St. Joe's, as DFW compared, 50 years ago. Certainly not 20 years ago by any means. Villanova is certainly on the rise no doubt but I don't believe it at all to be a "Flutie effect" phenomenon. I just think that Villanova offers perspective students a lot of what current Gen Z applicants are looking for -- and more so than Holy Cross. In 2005, when I was a senior in HS, Villanova was slightly below Holy Cross and slightly above Providence when it came to how competitive it was to get in. It sounds like today Villanova has passed Holy Cross and is chasing our old rival BC. Villanova was plenty good at basketball when I was in high school -- no Final Fours but they were advancing deep into the tournament seemingly every year. So it's not like their ascent to recent titles was a meteoric rise comparable to Gonzaga earlier this century or Boise State football in the recent past. Villanova was a good academic school 20 years ago with a basketball program regularly competitive in the Big East. It's just that they've been able to build on both their academic and athletic prestige just a little bit more, unlike some other peer institutions. |
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Post by hcpride on Apr 5, 2022 16:43:14 GMT -5
On applications, Colgate received 21,153 applications for 800? slots. Villanova 23,813 for 1750? slots. Applicants to Colgate obviously overlooked the football team's loss to HC. Yes, Villanova is taking advantage of the opportunity. It's new peer is Boston College, not St. Joe's. But quality always trumps quantity. Fordham received twice as many applicants as Villanova--over 46,000, according to its web site. Yet Fordham's yield (percentage of accepted students that enroll) was just 10%, or nine out of ten kids with an offer to attend Fordham went elsewhere.] I wouldn’t much stock in ‘yield’ stats, instead I’d eyeball the academic quality of the enrolled kids (I know that is obscured by recent test score optional moves) . Fordham’s doing just fine. (HC juices it’s yield stats by high ED admissions and looking for ‘demonstrated interest” by the regular applicants.) |
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 5, 2022 17:17:29 GMT -5
On applications, Colgate received 21,153 applications for 800? slots. Villanova 23,813 for 1750? slots. Applicants to Colgate obviously overlooked the football team's loss to HC. Yes, Villanova is taking advantage of the opportunity. It's new peer is Boston College, not St. Joe's. But quality always trumps quantity. Fordham received twice as many applicants as Villanova--over 46,000, according to its web site. Yet Fordham's yield (percentage of accepted students that enroll) was just 10%, or nine out of ten kids with an offer to attend Fordham went elsewhere. Villanova's yield is 33%--not great, but better than most. From a distance, it will be very interesting to see how Holy Cross positions itself for the road ahead. Some schools are scrambling to reposition themselves in an age of declining high school populations in the Northeast and the rush to SAT-optional or require no tests at all (some others are doubling down on SAT's, but that's another topic.). Add in the opportunities and challenges recruiting as an LAC, Catholic identity, Worcester, multiculturalism, etc., and the next decade offers the new HC administration many different options on how to position itself for the road ahead. And much competition from both the LACs in our area (NESCAC types) that are in our USNWR category and the comprehensive Universities in the area (BU, BC, NU) that are in our other category: D-1 institutions. But PVR has a plan. The plan doesn't include HC exiting either the LAC category or the D-1 category, but taking on stronger opponents and surpassing them on both fronts. There is no other path to choose. |
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