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Post by longsuffering on Jun 20, 2022 9:42:19 GMT -5
Maybe he is annoyed at the whole concept of a thriving non-Diocesan Catholic School charging no tuition and operating on generous contributions while he has had to close Churches and Schools and sell off the buildings to pay abuse settlements and subsidize declining Parish attendance.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jun 21, 2022 8:05:16 GMT -5
I encourage all to read HC professor emeritus David O'Brien's guest editorial in the Telegram today (others with more expertise will have to figure out how to post it here). It's very good.
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Post by Tom on Jun 21, 2022 8:45:14 GMT -5
I gave up my subscription, but I used to simply highlight the whole article and type Ctrl C (copy) then go to CROSSPORTS and type Ctrl V (paste)
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 21, 2022 8:56:48 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 21, 2022 9:03:33 GMT -5
sader1970, I can't thank you enough (and certainly David O'Brien) for providing a way to read that excellent column. Bravo to professor emeritus O'Brien.
Does the school have a link for donations?
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Post by mm67 on Jun 21, 2022 9:32:48 GMT -5
Look for a petition calling this bishop's removal for his various transgressions, his bigotry and actions against the Nativity school to be signed by millions of Catholics across America and sent to the Cardinal in Boston and the Pope. (Run-on sentence) Peace.
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Post by Tom on Jun 21, 2022 9:39:01 GMT -5
sader1970, I can't thank you enough (and certainly David O'Brien) for providing a way to read that excellent column. Bravo to professor emeritus O'Brien. Does the school have a link for donations? nativityworcester.org/help/donate/
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 21, 2022 9:39:11 GMT -5
What if retired Bishop Daniel Reilly wanted to remain as trustee emeritus which at his age may mainly consist of the school choir visiting him at his assisted living center and singing "Oh Danny Boy" the retired Bishop's signature song with him?
That one aspect of the current Bishop's decree, banning former Bishop Reilly from being an emeritus trustee, puzzled me as I took it as a direct slap in the face of his much loved predecessor.
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Post by mm67 on Jun 21, 2022 9:46:38 GMT -5
Bishop McManus should read Michael Gerson's opinion piece in yesterday's Washington Post.There is a section in which the Pope's outreach to the LGBQT community is discussed. Also there is a reference made to the outreach by the Jesuit, James Martin to the LGBQT population. The bishop might learn something.
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Post by Tom on Jun 21, 2022 9:47:47 GMT -5
Look for a petition calling this bishop's removal for his various transactions, his bigotry and actions against the Nativity school to be signed by millions of Catholics across America and sent to the Cardinal in Boston and the Pope. (Run-on sentence) Peace. I think all bishop assignments come from Rome. Someone from Rome might consult Cardinal O'Malley, but it is my understanding he has zero authority to remove the bishop in Worcester
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Post by hchoops on Jun 21, 2022 9:51:19 GMT -5
What a wonderful, theological retort by Prof. O’Brien.
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Post by Tom on Jun 21, 2022 10:34:47 GMT -5
I'm posting backwards here, but Pr O'Brien's article was well thought out and well written
I have had some first hand dealings with Nativity. On the other hand, while I obviously support the sentence "Black Lives Matter", I am not on board with some of the stances of the organization. I also am not going to question the church about labeling a certain action as a sin. From that vantage point, even I think the bishop was way out of line. Furthermore, while the diocese has mentioned the conversations about the topic, I have been told by people at the school that no conversation happened. The only "conversation" was the edict from the bishop.
I agree with the bishop that we should not promote disrespect for the police or attack the sacrament of marriage. However, Pr O'Brien is right on where I quoted him above. It is pretty poor deductive reasoning to determine that is happening here. To draw that conclusion without any dialog from the party in question is irresponsible. To hand out a death penalty based on faulty logic and inadequate investigation is wrong in my book.
Meanwhile (and slightly off topic) everyone's favorite college is suddenly between a rock and a hard place. There are two HC Jesuits on the BoT. There is another Jesuit who lives at HC, but his only job that I am aware of is at Nativity. If Bishop Reilly is ordered off the BoT, will the other Jesuits also be so ordered? Just a messy situation
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Post by hchoops on Jun 21, 2022 10:45:07 GMT -5
Deplorable, more than messy.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jun 21, 2022 10:47:55 GMT -5
What a wonderful, theological retort by Prof. O’Brien. I was fortunate enough to have Prof. O'Brien for a class at HC. He is a brilliant, thoughtful, decent man.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 21, 2022 10:49:01 GMT -5
Perhaps both deplorable AND messy. I believe the Church can, and must, do better for all involved. In NJ we had a Bishop (more than one) who acted in a similar (but not as draconian) manner. He was forced to retire. (Of course, he did spend a good deal of Church money on his retirement home - putting in an elevator, a hot tub and other items that caused so much resentment among Catholics the annual appeal for funds is no longer called the "Bishop's" appeal. It is now known as the annual appeal, trying to get it back to where it once was.)
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 21, 2022 11:22:54 GMT -5
I may be totally wrong but to me, an "emeritus trustee" (or an emeritus anything) means he/she is no longer actively doing what the title is. He/she is retired and is strictly an honorary title. Bishop Reilly is probably simply listed as having been a trustee in the past.
We have two emeritus pastors listed in our bulletin and I've never seen that in any parish before. Both were monsignors and still alive but not residing in the rectory, The current pastor hasn't achieved the lofty monsignor status and maybe looking for some brownie points from his predecessors. He must really be feeling left out of the club as he does have a monsignor residing with him who works directly for the diocese and is "in residence" and occasionally helps out with a Mass. Their running joke is neither of them cook and the days of a resident cook have been gone for decades and so, each strongly suggest the other should go to a cooking school and in the meantime they apparently do takeout almost every night.
Bottom line: I don't think McManus is kicking Reilly off the Nativity Board and might not be able to do it anyway. And I don't think McManus has the "brigades*" to send stormtroopers to the school to scratch Reilly's name off anything.
* was it Stalin who sniffed "how many brigades does the Pope have?"
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 21, 2022 11:31:36 GMT -5
Stalin was a big thinker: he said “divisions” not “brigades”
Great quote!
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Post by nhteamer on Jun 21, 2022 11:50:13 GMT -5
Look for a petition calling this bishop's removal for his various transactions, his bigotry and actions against the Nativity school to be signed by millions of Catholics across America and sent to the Cardinal in Boston and the Pope. (Run-on sentence) Peace. The 'Cardinal in Boston" has zero authority over the bishop of Worcester. One would think that a learned theologian such as you would know that.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 21, 2022 13:56:20 GMT -5
Bishop Reilly is also an assistant coach emeritus of sorts for HC WBB. He sat on the bench for a couple of games a season over an extended period and had an undefeated record for several years until like the program he had a dip.
Bishop McManus should loosen up and engage with the Catholic Institutions in the Diocese in positive ways. Why not have some fun if you are stuck in a job with a retirement age of 75, unless that has changed.
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Post by mm67 on Jun 21, 2022 15:14:08 GMT -5
Look for a petition calling this bishop's removal for his various transactions, his bigotry and actions against the Nativity school to be signed by millions of Catholics across America and sent to the Cardinal in Boston and the Pope. (Run-on sentence) Peace. The 'Cardinal in Boston" has zero authority over the bishop of Worcester. One would think that a learned theologian such as you would know that. OK
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Post by higheredguy on Jun 21, 2022 15:46:54 GMT -5
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Post by mm67 on Jun 22, 2022 12:00:27 GMT -5
Expect this narrow minded rigid bishop to dig in his heels. He won't budge. Is he near retirement?
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 22, 2022 12:17:17 GMT -5
He turns 71 on July 5. So he's 4 years from mandatory retirement and hope the Pope will rapidly accept it once received. I suppose he could retire at any point though. Can't happen soon enough for this member of the Worcester Diocese.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 22, 2022 13:09:08 GMT -5
Huge decrease in parish contributions could contribute to an early retirement.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 22, 2022 13:10:01 GMT -5
Just made a donation to Nativity in memory of Father Hart. Their recognition and thanks were almost immediate:
"Thank You On behalf of the entire Nativity School of Worcester community, thank you for your generous donation! Receiving your support makes a meaningful impact on the lives of our students, graduates, and faculty. We could not provide a transformative Jesuit education without friends like you!
With Gratitude, The Nativity Worcester Community"
I hope other Crusaders will join the Nativity Worcester Community in this contemporary "Crusade!"
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