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Post by purplehaze on Apr 6, 2022 15:44:13 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 6, 2022 15:55:03 GMT -5
That's why I just read the three word slogan and say "yes they do" whenever I see the three words or initials being shown.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Apr 6, 2022 16:25:03 GMT -5
For every person I know, black or white, the BLM sign/flag/slogan, is a simple declaration that black lives are as important as any others. I'd be interested in hearing all the information you have that would suggest there is a "significant level of sympathy with that movement" at the school.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 6, 2022 16:33:26 GMT -5
For every person I know, black or white, the BLM sign/flag/slogan, is a simple declaration that black lives are as important as any others. Honest question and no disrespect here -- Have you spent any time to look beyond the flag? Is it fair for one to say: "I firmly believe in the statement 'black lives matter,' but I am against the Black Lives Matter organization."
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 6, 2022 16:41:51 GMT -5
For every person I know, black or white, the BLM sign/flag/slogan, is a simple declaration that black lives are as important as any others. Honest question and no disrespect here -- Have you spent any time to look beyond the flag? Is it fair for one to say: "I firmly believe in the statement 'black lives matter,' but I am against the Black Lives Matter organization." Yes it is. Any organization has to stand judgement based on it's actions.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Apr 6, 2022 16:44:19 GMT -5
Yes, I understand the disconnect between the BLM as a statement and BLM as an organization. I'm just saying that in my experience the Black Lives Matter slogan has taken on a generic meaning and has for many become divorced from the organization. I was questioning the statement that the BLM flag at Nativity showed sympathy with the movement instead of sympathy with the concept.
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Post by mm67 on Apr 6, 2022 17:43:30 GMT -5
BLM is loosely organized.No doubt the actions of some are worthy of criticism. Case in point the LA Mag article. I saw behaviors which were extremely objectionable. Nevertheless, BLM 's guiding principles seem praiseworthy. There are always going to be some who honestly disagree. However, to reject the entire organization not for policy differences but for the poor behavior of some is a stretch. For some reason there are some who opposed BLM from its inception. And, they have been attempting to undermine it from the start. I had to get past artfully disguised misinformation sites to get to the actual BLM site. Saw some misleading information about family life recently. Every organization has bad actors, see the Catholic Church as a more egregious example. But, still many hold onto their membership in the church. The behavior of some bad actors should not be confused with the message of the whole. Do not want this to veer off into a political maelstrom. For those who feel it's necessary to get the last word, Peace.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 6, 2022 17:48:15 GMT -5
By some bad actors are you referring to BLM’s leaders?
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Post by mm67 on Apr 6, 2022 18:09:37 GMT -5
By some bad actors are you referring to BLM’s leaders? Cf. The LA Time article. It was well balanced fair in its criticism. of the behaviors of those leaders who spent millions on a lavish mansion.. But the authors did not use the bad behavior as a springboard to reject BLM in its entirety. Bishops behaving badly? (Vatican Bank as well as the obvious pedophilia scandal.) Anti-Catholics seized on this to engage in wholesale attacks on the Church. The "Whore of Rome" and all that kind of sick stuff. These critics were opposed to the church from the gitgo and used the behavior of the leaders, Bishops as a springboard to launch a jarring attack on the whole church. BLM is polarizing as has been the Catholic Church in some quarters. I'll have to cease & desist from further comment before this thing mushrooms. Best Wishes. Peace
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Post by alum on Apr 6, 2022 18:42:52 GMT -5
I don’t think that most people who say that Black Lives Matter are referencing the organization just as someone who tells you that they think federalism is important doesn’t necessarily belong to or subscribe to all of the positions of either the Federalist Society or thefederalist.com
Interestingly, I typed those three words in lower case in order to make my point and they autocorrected to capitalize them. I’ll leave them.
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Post by Tom on Apr 6, 2022 18:57:21 GMT -5
I am quite certain that no one at Nativity likes the flag because they support misappropriation of funds. I also don't think that is Bishop McManus' beef with the flag.
The kids originally asked for the flag. It is highly likely the kids wee thinking about the sentence, not all aspects of the organization. The school's staff teaches these kids that given the opportunity they can accomplish anything. That's what this school does: give these kids opportunity. It makes sense that the staff would support students who want to promote their own value as human beings. .The bishop also wasn't thinking about six million dollar mansions. He didn't like the look of supporting the widely held perception that the organization is anti-police.
I imagine at the end of the day, not much will come of this
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Post by lou on Apr 7, 2022 11:30:40 GMT -5
The Nativity School is a tuition-free all-boys school that serves about 60 predominantly students of color from low-income families. The school is part of a Jesuit network and although school President Thomas McKenney in a statement shared with MassLive said the school “proudly” operates in the Diocese of Worcester, he made the distinction that it is “not a Diocesan school.”
McKenney said in a statement the school began flying the Black Lives Matter and Pride flags early in 2021 “to remind our young men, their families and Nativity Worcester staff that all are welcome here and that they are valued and safe in this place. It says to them that they, in fact, do matter and deserve to be respected as our Christian values teach us.”
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Post by mm67 on Apr 7, 2022 11:55:57 GMT -5
All human life is sacred. Do I agree with BLM about everything? Certainly not. For example IMO Defund the Police is ridiculous. However context is everything. BLM arose out of the pain of seeing black men brutally killed by police. It would be nuts to believe most cops are KKK hitmen. But, it would be nuts to believe there are not some cops who are trigger happy motivated by racial prejudice unconscious or conscious. Feel the pain. We have to do better.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 7, 2022 13:37:58 GMT -5
Nicely put. My neighbors (white) adopted a girl of African-American background. They put a BLM sign on their front lawn and no neighbor has any problem with it. I do not agree with the define the police movement or symbols they sometimes use (Like the socks showing a pig in a police uniform that a certain former QB was allowed to wear by the NFL), However, I have also had discussions with professors who explain the movement in a clear, logical way. I no longer feel about BLM as I once did.
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Post by Tom on Apr 7, 2022 14:46:51 GMT -5
I have also had discussions with professors who explain the movement in a clear, logical way. I no longer feel about BLM as I once did. I am not a fan of the organization because I get the sense they think all police officers involved in the shooting of a black person should be tried and convicted to achieve justice. Even in cases where it seems pretty clear to me that no law was broken by the police officer. (I think every case needs to be looked at individually). Although it has nothing to do with sports or Holy Cross and, as such, is inappropriate discussion for this board, it would be interesting to hear the explanation of your professor buddies
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 7, 2022 16:12:15 GMT -5
They want all miscreants punished (not shoved aside or swept under the rug)...but they also ant every case examined individually. Almost every one can detail on or more cases of being stopped (without cause other than skin color) by police. In some cases, they say they could understand why, in others they provided all info requested and clearly felt they were being harassed because the officers agenda. They just don't want to see that done with impunity. [PS: They understand Black on Black crime and to one of them wants to see the police "defunded." After all, they know the investigations they call for don't come for free.]
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Post by newfieguy74 on Apr 7, 2022 18:07:38 GMT -5
Nicely put. My neighbors (white) adopted a girl of African-American background. They put a BLM sign on their front lawn and no neighbor has any problem with it. I do not agree with the define the police movement or symbols they sometimes use (Like the socks showing a pig in a police uniform that a certain former QB was allowed to wear by the NFL), However, I have also had discussions with professors who explain the movement in a clear, logical way. I no longer feel about BLM as I once did. I have a BLM sign on my lawn too. I've never met a person who wants to defund the police because it's a ridiculous idea. The black people I know want to live in safe neighborhoods like everyone else. Reforming the police, however, is a good idea (e.g. hiring practices, training, policing policies, etc.).
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 7, 2022 18:49:23 GMT -5
Didn't quite a few politicians express their support for defunding the police?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Apr 7, 2022 19:06:36 GMT -5
I have waited a couple of days before responding, some times reflections is necessary before immediate response to a topic regarding .......
A hypothetical man has created a controversy locally to Worcester.
Here is my view, a certain someone who I will not name, may have realized that his reputation among the LEO’s community may have been be-smudged and tarnished due to an incident that occurred in the recent past. With that being an established fact in a court of law, and adjudicated, he realized he had his reputation to rebuild due to his visage, notoriety and profile. That being the premise, he decided to reach to a base and primordial instinct to mask his problem, by creating a new problem. Being a bully in his approach to his fellow human beings, he looked for the most vulnerable in his immediate sphere of influence. He saw a small institution, who has displayed a sign, that dares to go toe to toe with a segment of the LEO community who has also been a bully. So the proverbial light bulb was lit.
The hypothetical and hypocritical man saw his solution to his well known issue. I will become a hero to my antagonist by bullying a small and vulnerable school and organization that dares to also confront my antagonist. Thus elevating my profile, and thus resolving his tarnished reputation. So that the next time a similar incident occurs, he can state to his antagonist, .....remember I stood up for you guys and went to bat for you. Can you cut me a break once again.
This is one man’s cynical view of the hypothetical man regarding a controversy local to Worcester Massachusetts.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Apr 7, 2022 19:15:47 GMT -5
Another point that should be understood....
The essence and genesis of Black Lives Matter Movement should not be viewed as one and the same as an organization incorporated as the Black Lives Matter - Global Foundation Network.
Black Lives Matter is the core philosophical concept of the Civil Rights Movement of the 20th Century, and the root of Dr. Martin L. King’s reason to create a dignified process for global societal evolution.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 7, 2022 21:22:28 GMT -5
I have waited a couple of days before responding, some times reflections is necessary before immediate response to a topic regarding ....... A hypothetical man has created a controversy locally to Worcester. Here is my view, a certain someone who I will not name, may have realized that his reputation among the LEO’s community may have been be-smudged and tarnished due to an incident that occurred in the recent past. With that being an established fact in a court of law, and adjudicated, he realized he had his reputation to rebuild due to his visage, notoriety and profile. That being the premise, he decided to reach to a base and primordial instinct to mask his problem, by creating a new problem. Being a bully in his approach to his fellow human beings, he looked for the most vulnerable in his immediate sphere of influence. He saw a small institution, who has displayed a sign, that dares to go toe to toe with a segment of the LEO community who has also been a bully. So the proverbial light bulb was lit. The hypothetical and hypocritical man saw his solution to his well known issue. I will become a hero to my antagonist by bullying a small and vulnerable school and organization that dares to also confront my antagonist. Thus elevating my profile, and thus resolving his tarnished reputation. So that the next time a similar incident occurs, he can state to his antagonist, .....remember I stood up for you guys and went to bat for you. Can you cut me a break once again. This is one man’s cynical view of the hypothetical man regarding a controversy local to Worcester Massachusetts. I'll drink but not drive to your hypothesis. In reality, I think if anyone is apprehended driving under the influence for the second time these days there are few officers who are willing to cover that up. It's not like speeding or going through a red light. I also don't think the Bishop is worried about the support of LEOs any more than butchers, bakers and candle stick makers. He's just a conservative, crotchety combative guy who likes to threaten to use his power to reduce the size of his flock, but rarely does to the best of my knowledge because he would be shooting himself in the foot.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2022 21:42:02 GMT -5
Didn't quite a few politicians express their support for defunding the police? Almost as bad as all those politicians who claim the election was stolen & approved the overthrow of our country on Jan. 6 to please the Grifter.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Apr 7, 2022 21:48:24 GMT -5
“I think if anyone is apprehended driving under the influence for the second time these days there are few officers who are willing to cover that up. It's not like speeding or going through a red light.”
I totally agree with that statement for a rationale person, who is not narcissistic. Can the Hypothetical man be classified as such?
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 7, 2022 22:14:32 GMT -5
“I think if anyone is apprehended driving under the influence for the second time these days there are few officers who are willing to cover that up. It's not like speeding or going through a red light.” I totally agree with that statement for a rationale person, who is not narcissistic. Can the Hypothetical man be classified as such? I attended a weekend symposium at Holy Cross put on by a fellow named Bill Kelly in the Religious Studies Dept. called "A Church that can and can not change" maybe ten or fifteen years ago. Bishop McManus attended one session. A very radical feminist nun who had just returned from serving the poorest of the poor in Southeast Asia was one of the panelists. It became evident she seethed at the male conservative leadership of the Catholic Church. Bishop McManus was left to defend the status quo of Parish and Diocese administration from the audience. Both shot laser looks at each other and the Bishop tried to overpower the nun with his detailed knowledge of Ecclesiastical minutiae. But in general I found him to be the more reasonable of the two.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Apr 7, 2022 23:07:18 GMT -5
On this topic....I only discuss hypotheticals.....as a metaphor.
One can assume any actual true life beings as your assumption.
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