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Post by mm67 on Apr 12, 2022 11:30:49 GMT -5
Zagnorski had it right. Are there many Div II, III players entering the transfer portal? It seems Div I college basketball is a dirty business. Many of the guys it attracts are not the kind of students who belong at a fine academic college such as HC. The mass exodus indicates they come primarily to play basketball and not get an education. They move to the highest bidder. Some have pointed to the cynicism/corruption of money-based big time DivI athletics. HC has scrupulously steered clear of the big time for this reason among others. Apparently, this garbage is unavoidable in Div I at all levels. HC does not belong in this type of situation! Would a Basketball Championship Series level help?
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Post by timholycross on Apr 12, 2022 11:58:30 GMT -5
Zagnorski had it right. Are there many Div II, III players entering the transfer portal? It seems Div I college basketball is a dirty business. Many of the guys it attracts are not the kind of students who belong at a fine academic college such as HC. The mass exodus indicates they come primarily to play basketball and not get an education. They move to the highest bidder. Some have pointed to the cynicism/corruption of money-based big time DivI athletics. HC has scrupulously steered clear of the big time for this reason among others. Apparently, this garbage is unavoidable in Div I at all levels. HC does not belong in this type of situation! Would a Basketball Championship Series level help? No, you'd just have kids dropping and/or moving up from one division to the other. Just like in football. If Holy Cross wants to get out of this rat race, it's Division 3 for all sports or stay in D1 and discontinue the sports that they are disillusioned with. Only choices.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 12, 2022 15:05:05 GMT -5
900-something D2 men’s basketball players entered the portal last year. Roughly 25% of them found a new home.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 12, 2022 15:05:33 GMT -5
Latest school to report interest in RJ is Charleston Southern.
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Post by mm67 on Apr 12, 2022 15:35:33 GMT -5
FWIW The Transfer Portal is a nightmare. Has this been encouraged by the monied interests - NCCAA, media & advertisers, coaches and G-D knows who? This is a man-made issue, Man made it, man can solve it, if there is the will. I am resolute. If students want to go then leave without any support from HC. If this costs us some future recruits, so be it. They don't belong at HC and should not be given the opportunity. HC has to show it values its values.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Apr 12, 2022 15:39:25 GMT -5
RJ and his family would be honored to learn that we are now on p.5 of his transfer thread.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 12, 2022 16:23:57 GMT -5
900-something D2 men’s basketball players entered the portal last year. Roughly 25% of them found a new home. D-2 Player: "It's up or out Ma!" Ma: "How'd it go?" D-2 Player: "Air out my bedroom."
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Post by bison137 on Apr 12, 2022 18:52:16 GMT -5
I remember Matt Zignorski saying at the time of his commitment that he saw college not as a 4-year decision, but rather a 40-year one. Not much of this maturity and long-term thinking in evidence, at least not in the Holy Cross MBB program of late. Ironically zignorski’s first commitment was to Fordham. And he signed a letter of intent with Fordham. But then in the spring he decommitted, likely under pressure from the new Fordham coach, and then switched to HC.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 12, 2022 19:36:54 GMT -5
I remember Matt Zignorski saying at the time of his commitment that he saw college not as a 4-year decision, but rather a 40-year one. Not much of this maturity and long-term thinking in evidence, at least not in the Holy Cross MBB program of late. Ironically zignorski’s first commitment was to Fordham. And he signed a letter of intent with Fordham. But then in the spring he decommitted, likely under pressure from the new Fordham coach, and then switched to HC. . This is a recurring theme Bison. Implication a professional, well compensated head coach works hard for and achieves a position of distinction in his chosen field of guiding young adults and proceeds to pressure student athletes, or in this case a committed recruit off the team and often out of the school. What good did that do the Fordham coach? If I have my timeline correct, Ziggy wins a game in the NCAA tournament at his new school and Fordham continues to fare poorly in the A-10 after the suggested pressure on the student from the coach to leave. Can't another professional who has worked hard and achieved a position of distinction, the AD, direct someone he/she hires to coach up the current valued student athletes, add three or four of his/her own recruits each year and improve the team steadily over the timeline of the initial contract and then be judged by that at the end of the timeline? The visit from Malcom Miller was a great example for the current players because he used the full four year experience at HC to improve and blossom and graduate. Now he is well prepared on and off the court and has an Alma Mater to come back to.
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Post by ts1970 on Apr 12, 2022 19:56:32 GMT -5
.....and hopefully a good amount of wisely invested money from his NBA pay.
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Post by Tom on Apr 12, 2022 20:26:57 GMT -5
I remember Matt Zignorski saying at the time of his commitment that he saw college not as a 4-year decision, but rather a 40-year one. Not much of this maturity and long-term thinking in evidence, at least not in the Holy Cross MBB program of late. Ironically zignorski’s first commitment was to Fordham. And he signed a letter of intent with Fordham. But then in the spring he decommitted, likely under pressure from the new Fordham coach, and then switched to HC. I've had the opportunity to speak with Zignorski a few times. Although the topic of his de-commit from Fordham never came up, he had a great experience at HC, on and off the court. I never heard that 40 year quote but I think he had a great four year and 40 year approach. It's too bad more kids from our new portal generation don't share his perspective on college and athletics
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 13, 2022 0:38:40 GMT -5
Typo: should be Malcolm Miller Thanks. Fixed it.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Apr 13, 2022 4:38:57 GMT -5
I remember Matt Zignorski saying at the time of his commitment that he saw college not as a 4-year decision, but rather a 40-year one. Not much of this maturity and long-term thinking in evidence, at least not in the Holy Cross MBB program of late. Ironically zignorski’s first commitment was to Fordham. And he signed a letter of intent with Fordham. But then in the spring he decommitted, likely under pressure from the new Fordham coach, and then switched to HC. True. As you say, he could have received pressure from the new coach. He may even have been told that there would be no schollie for him after year 1. It's also possible the new guy welcomed him with open arms, which seems unlikely. In the end, Ziggy proved his loyalty to those who did want him.
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Post by Ignutz on Apr 13, 2022 5:53:37 GMT -5
Ironically zignorski’s first commitment was to Fordham. And he signed a letter of intent with Fordham. But then in the spring he decommitted, likely under pressure from the new Fordham coach, and then switched to HC. I've had the opportunity to speak with Zignorski a few times. Although the topic of his de-commit from Fordham never came up, he had a great experience at HC, on and off the court. I never heard that 40 year quote but I think he had a great four year and 40 year approach. It's too bad more kids from our new portal generation don't share his perspective on college and athletics George Blaney made a point of discussing the forty-year relationship with Holy Cross when he met with recruits and their parents.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Apr 13, 2022 7:04:12 GMT -5
RJ and his family would be honored to learn that we are now on p.5 of his transfer thread. Crossporters have shown that we can start, and sustain, a thread about anything.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 13, 2022 8:17:31 GMT -5
RJ reportedly has an offer from Charleston Southern. That’s my prediction for where he winds up.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 13, 2022 8:18:15 GMT -5
Isn't that more than was posted about him when he played for HC?
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Post by CHC8485 on Apr 18, 2022 19:24:27 GMT -5
Big sigh of relief … it’s not Colgate.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Apr 18, 2022 19:26:05 GMT -5
Good bye and good luck.
And good bye.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 18, 2022 19:59:31 GMT -5
Big sigh of relief … it’s not Colgate. 6-25 last year 3-18 COVID year Parents of these kids are doing them an extreme disservice allowing them to pass up an HC education for where they end up. A kid turning down a degree from Holy Cross and Colgate (assuming he had an offer there as well) for Charleston Southern just clearly does not have his priorities in order.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 18, 2022 20:02:33 GMT -5
Sort of agree, but do you or did you ever have a 20-21 year old ? And presume they are happy to have him much closer to home.
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Post by bison137 on Apr 18, 2022 20:47:05 GMT -5
He will be playing in a gym with a capacity of 881, the second smallest one in D1. Average attendance this past year was 511.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 18, 2022 20:48:23 GMT -5
Don't know his religious persuasion, but it's a Baptist university.
Hope he's healthy enough to contribute. Won't affect us that much if he can help them.
Not much larger than HC.
They won less games than we did, 1 conference win, 6-25 overall. They outdid us in one area. They played Johnson & Wales, Charlotte; Bob Jones U; and Toccoa Falls. The first school is in something called the USCAA, the other two in the NCCAA (notice there's one more "C" in there; stands for national christian college athletic association).
In other words, they suck worst than we suck. #347 versus #343.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Apr 18, 2022 21:22:36 GMT -5
On the surface, this makes no sense whatsoever.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 18, 2022 21:28:09 GMT -5
Only moving much closer to home
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