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Post by HC92 on Apr 8, 2022 20:50:46 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 8, 2022 21:35:15 GMT -5
So much for being estranged from BB alumni. Life is a two way street.
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Post by Tom on Apr 10, 2022 10:18:48 GMT -5
Searching for small rays of sunshine. . .
Good to see all the current students on next year's roster in that group photo. Not sure if someone planning on entering the portal goes for the workout or photo op
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 10, 2022 16:36:44 GMT -5
A favorite Shaugnessy expression applies: "a whole cup of awkward" to the kids who are in the portal, still at their current college, and not signed by any other college. Welcome to adult decisions and adult responsibility for making them.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 10, 2022 20:33:46 GMT -5
Of course, with the lockdown in 2020, none of those individuals (except those who quit during the season, and there were a few of those) had to face their peers. In any case, better for the current individuals if things are a bit embarrassing but they finish up the semester.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 10, 2022 21:00:47 GMT -5
I doubt if there is much, if any, embarrassment.
I recall Drew Lowder coming to every game after he left the team. Certainly no embarrassment then.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Apr 10, 2022 21:34:30 GMT -5
I know of a several basketball alums, who are also coaches, that felt he should have been banned from the gym during the games that he attended after he left the team. Oh well water under the bridge. The restless life of a PG. Apparently from reviewing Verbal Commits, it is a fragile and volatile position.
What has happened to the hard nose point guard, like a Timex Watch, ... Takes a lick and keep on ticking... Apparently gone the way of John Cameron Swayze.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 10, 2022 22:30:31 GMT -5
I know of a several basketball alums, who are also coaches, that felt he should have been banned from the gym during the games that he attended after he left the team. Oh well water under the bridge. The restless life of a PG. Apparently from reviewing Verbal Commits, it is a fragile and volatile position. What has happened to the hard nose point guard, like a Timex Watch, ... Takes a lick and keep on ticking... Apparently gone the way of John Cameron Swayze. I imagine that would've been Brett Nelson's decision. I'm sure he could have made that happen if he felt it were necessary at the time. |
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 10, 2022 23:41:41 GMT -5
I hope the Coach could not have made it happen if he tried and hope he was rejected if he did try. The College of the Holy Cross is not an Autocracy run by the basketball coach. You don't lose your rights as a student when you leave the basketball team.
I bet Coach didn't try to ban Lowder and didn't try to make Lowder feel unwelcome and if so that's a credit to BN, imo. Lowder's attendance at the games should be lionized after all the complaints of poor student turn out to support the team.
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Post by Tom on Apr 11, 2022 7:59:33 GMT -5
Hard to imagine a college coach banning a student from a game for quitting the team. Sounds potentially more like high school. Opposite of how most things work, more difficult to do in a major program. In a place like Kentucky, who would even know if one individual person was at the game. What do you do? Post a picture at every gate?
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I wondered at the time if Lowder, Hargis, and Lovisolo walked out on the team or if they made their intention to enter the portal known and were tossed. Could go either way. Also possible that all three didn't have the same story
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 11, 2022 8:04:35 GMT -5
One thing which we may need to renember is that players who "left" seem to get better each year after they leave. That is not on the court, but in our memory. After questioning why they were recruited and calling for their removal, some start to see them as talent we needed and could have used.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 11, 2022 8:28:54 GMT -5
Hard to imagine a college coach banning a student from a game for quitting the team. Sounds potentially more like high school. Opposite of how most things work, more difficult to do in a major program. In a place like Kentucky, who would even know if one individual person was at the game. What do you do? Post a picture at every gate? ------------------------- I wondered at the time if Lowder, Hargis, and Lovisolo walked out on the team or if they made their intention to enter the portal known and were tossed. Could go either way. Also possible that all three didn't have the same story Tossing the kids after they announced their intentions would have been foolish of the coach. He would have vaporized the obvious shared incentive both player and team would have for the player to perform at his best, being in a "contract year" so to speak. It also would have shown the other players, many of whom later left, that the sales pitch of them being true student athletes valued as more than just a piece of meat on the basketball court at a fine school like Holy Cross was a load of crap. When a forty year old coach goes mano a mano with an eighteen year old student, that's not good or necessary imo. The coach should have learned to be more reflective in his extra 22 years. He was getting paid to coach and teach all the kids for a full season. Coaches can really get full of themselves. If any kids were tossed just for announcing their intentions to leave at the end of the season the AD should have intervened on behalf of the student. |
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 11, 2022 8:34:09 GMT -5
One thing which we may need to renember is that players who "left" seem to get better each year after they leave. That is not on the court, but in our memory. After questioning why they were recruited and calling for their removal, some start to see them as talent we needed and could have used. I recall both Lowder and Joe P. being the leading scorers on the team when they played their last games for HC. And Joe and Luc being PL ROY. I must have a purple fogged memory.🙂 |
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Post by Tom on Apr 11, 2022 8:47:07 GMT -5
Hard to imagine a college coach banning a student from a game for quitting the team. Sounds potentially more like high school. Opposite of how most things work, more difficult to do in a major program. In a place like Kentucky, who would even know if one individual person was at the game. What do you do? Post a picture at every gate? ------------------------- I wondered at the time if Lowder, Hargis, and Lovisolo walked out on the team or if they made their intention to enter the portal known and were tossed. Could go either way. Also possible that all three didn't have the same story Tossing the kids after they announced their intentions would have been foolish of the coach. He would have vaporized the obvious shared incentive both player and team would have for the player to perform at his best, being in a "contract year" so to speak. It also would have shown the other players, many of whom later left, that the sales pitch of them being true student athletes valued as more than just a piece of meat on the basketball court at a fine school like Holy Cross was a load of crap. When a forty year old coach goes mano a mano with an eighteen year old student, that's not good or necessary imo. The coach should have learned to be more reflective in his extra 22 years. He was getting paid to coach and teach all the kids for a full season. Coaches can really get full of themselves. If any kids were tossed just for announcing their intentions to leave at the end of the season the AD should have intervened on behalf of the student. Perhaps. As I said, I wondered what happened. While we might think it would be foolish to toss a kid who announced he was leaving at the end of the season, one could reasonably argue that it would also be foolish of the kid to quit the team mid season. I would think walking out on a team and also not playing organized ball for a few months would make a player less attractive to another school |
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 11, 2022 8:54:29 GMT -5
A coach tossing a player mid season because he said he wanted to leave at the end of the season makes the coach less attractive to at least me, probably the other players and prospective recruits. Having players leave the team mid season is a red flag you would think the coach would not want raised about his program.
Perhaps twice as alarming as the same player leaving between seasons, which is much more common.
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Post by mm67 on Apr 11, 2022 9:15:54 GMT -5
Minority view. Maybe, some would prefer having a "Going Away Party" complete with balloons, singing ,maybe a piñata and of course a participation trophy for the young transferees?
If they signed to leave, then leave. They're out, off the team. They deserted their teammates, the coaches and the school. Obviously, one can't block them from attending a game but if I were a player on the team I wouldn't want them anywhere near the game.
It is not strictly business. It's personal. These kids are arrogant pampered self-absorbed cynics. Certainly, they should not be allowed to attend any team functions. They're gone. Goodbye. God Bless. Don't let the door hit your backside on the way out.
Actions have consequences. Nothing personal, strictly business. Ah, the vent was a relief.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 11, 2022 9:40:48 GMT -5
Minority view. Maybe, some would prefer having a "Going Away Party" complete with balloons, singing ,maybe a piñata and of course a participation trophy for the young transferees? If they signed to leave, then leave. They're out, off the team. They deserted their teammates, the coaches and the school. Obviously, one can't block them from attending a game but if I were a player on the team I wouldn't want them anywhere near the game. It is not strictly business. It's personal. These kids are arrogant pampered self-absorbed cynics. Certainly, they should not be allowed to attend any team functions. They're gone. Goodbye. God Bless. Don't let the door hit your backside on the way out. Actions have consequences. Nothing personal, strictly business. Ah, the vent was a relief. I suspect yours is the majority view among rabid college sports fans who have elevated head coaches to be the highest paid state employee in forty states, including Massachusetts with new UMass head coach Frank Martin getting paid an average of $1.7 million per year for five years. |
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Post by mm67 on Apr 11, 2022 11:59:12 GMT -5
Minority view. Maybe, some would prefer having a "Going Away Party" complete with balloons, singing ,maybe a piñata and of course a participation trophy for the young transferees? If they signed to leave, then leave. They're out, off the team. They deserted their teammates, the coaches and the school. Obviously, one can't block them from attending a game but if I were a player on the team I wouldn't want them anywhere near the game. It is not strictly business. It's personal. These kids are arrogant pampered self-absorbed cynics. Certainly, they should not be allowed to attend any team functions. They're gone. Goodbye. God Bless. Don't let the door hit your backside on the way out. Actions have consequences. Nothing personal, strictly business. Ah, the vent was a relief. I suspect yours is the majority view among rabid college sports fans who have elevated head coaches to be the highest paid state employee in forty states, including Massachusetts with new UMass head coach Frank Martin getting paid an average of $1.7 million per year for five years. Majority? Gee, I really didn't think so. TBT my feelings of loyalty to my team, my brothers in "war" and my coaches, my school are outdated. Life lessons. Commitment is more than a convenient piece of paper. Despite the setbacks, the hurt, one perseveres in life and grows in intestinal fortitude. One could easily counter- leave & follow your dream. Both are lessons in life, to carry one through hard times, a difficult marriage, career frustrations, and all the rest. Persevere through the headwinds of life. So, one could say, I have tried, I did my best, I fought the good fight. No-one leaves this life without lashes. "I beg your pardon I never promised you a rose garden." I realize I am an old warhorse enveloped in myths. Thank you, my long suffering brother alum. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 11, 2022 13:49:47 GMT -5
I learned in accounting class that the value of anything is based on what someone is willing to pay for it. I keep that in mind as I contemplate the seeming insanity of the UMass head coach getting $1.7MM per year.
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Post by breezy on Apr 12, 2022 12:12:00 GMT -5
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