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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 2, 2022 13:58:38 GMT -5
Could you please find another forum on which to make a fool of yourself? Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 2, 2022 14:11:24 GMT -5
Could you please find another forum on which to make a fool of yourself? Thanks in advance for your cooperation. Explain how I am making myself a fool for PC having 63 percent from New England and HC having 59 percent. I think 4 percent is roughly the same??? |
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Post by mm67 on May 2, 2022 14:24:36 GMT -5
bfoley At one time HC had more students from public high schools than Catholic schools. There was always a small number of preppies. Your numbers amply demonstrate the change in admissions at HC. Is HC still a national liberal arts college? I was trying to figure out the possible causes for the change. As for Providence? I must confess I know little about the school.Wish them well.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 2, 2022 14:42:05 GMT -5
bfoley At one time HC had more students from public high schools than Catholic schools. There was always a small number of preppies. Your numbers amply demonstrate the change in admissions at HC. Is HC still a national liberal arts college? I was trying to figure out the possible causes for the change. As for Providence? I must confess I know little about the school.Wish them well. I was just sharing the percentages on each school's websites. There isn't a huge difference in terms of where kids (states) are coming from. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 2, 2022 15:06:17 GMT -5
As has been discussed previously re: geographic distribution of enrolling freshmen, the classes of 2024 and 2025 should be viewed cautiously because of COVID restrictions affecting the traditional admissions process. For the class of 2024, for instance, IIRC, 80+ students took a gap year, and were re-classified to class of 2025.
For the class of 2023, enrolling in the fall of 2019, 38 percent of enrolling HC freshmen were Massachusetts residents. For the class of 2025, enrolling in the fall of 2021, 37 percent were from Massachusetts.
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Post by hcpride on May 2, 2022 15:06:33 GMT -5
bfoley At one time HC had more students from public high schools than Catholic schools. There was always a small number of preppies. Your numbers amply demonstrate the change in admissions at HC. Is HC still a national liberal arts college? I was trying to figure out the possible causes for the change. As for Providence? I must confess I know little about the school.Wish them well. I was just sharing the percentages on each school's websites. There isn't a huge difference in terms of where kids (states) are coming from. Beyond the fact that HC and PC attract similar kids (hence the mutual application overlap) from generally similar locales I am struck by the fact that both schools ALSO share 2 significant applicant overlap schools (Fordham and BC). At the risk of repeating myself, that is quite remarkable and further indicates a similarity of applicants. (College Board publishes the top 4 significant overlap schools for each school as part of their annual rankings.) It also indicates that folks who think kids apply to and attend HC because it is a LAC may be missing something. |
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Post by longsuffering on May 2, 2022 16:33:57 GMT -5
We have a clash between stated aspiration of PVR and current reality. We probably can't hurt things too much by aspiring to climb up the national LAC rankings. But remember, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Don't disparage the willing and risk losing them by stopping marketing regionally to plow all energy and resources into chasing the national market. Do both with a careful transition.
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Post by sader1970 on May 4, 2022 15:42:07 GMT -5
Being a Rhode Islander for the past 23 years and having worked with many PC grads, while there may be an "overlap" of applicants between HC and PC, they are not in the same ballpark.
Let's remember what we used to call "reach" schools and "safety" schools. Nowadays, prospective students apply to many, many more colleges than years ago. Rhode Islanders, as an example, think traveling 20 minutes away is "far." Holy Cross might be a full hour and a half from some distant parts of the Ocean State but worth applying to while recognizing PC is a more likely acceptance. HC is the better school. It's Catholic (still a bunch of Catholic high schools like LaSalle, Hendricken, Bay View, etc.), relatively close, is well known and, hey - maybe I get accepted!
So, over the years, the bad news is BC used to be Holy Cross' safety school, now it's PC.
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Post by longsuffering on May 4, 2022 18:33:14 GMT -5
Circa 2032, "Why so few students on campus?"
"We're building a national brand and it takes time."
Don't stop recruiting regional students or affinity students from Catholic schools who are familiar with Holy Cross, know of Holy Cross graduates in their community and think highly of the school. Snagging elite national students away from higher ranked schools in our national LAC category is a worthy goal but can't replace the current core overnight.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 4, 2022 19:43:52 GMT -5
Circa 2032, "Why so few students on campus?" "We're building a national brand and it takes time." Don't stop recruiting regional students or affinity students from Catholic schools who are familiar with Holy Cross, know of Holy Cross graduates in their community and think highly of the school. Snagging elite national students away from higher ranked schools in our national LAC category is a worthy goal but can't replace the current core overnight. In a way this is like the marketing I used to practice as a brand director. You want to keep your core users while increasing penetration with new consumers. I always like to remind myself of what makes a “brand”. To be strong and enduring a brand must be (1) differentiated from competition and (2) relevant to consumers. In my opinion that applies equally to soft drinks, fine whiskeys, and fine colleges. |
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Post by longsuffering on May 5, 2022 1:05:55 GMT -5
Let's not become the new Coke.
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Post by rgs318 on May 5, 2022 7:24:57 GMT -5
I wonder how many remember your reference? That had to be one of the biggest BAD decisions in recent marketing memory.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 5, 2022 8:33:15 GMT -5
Let's not become the new Coke. Don’t get me started . I was there for that harrowing ordeal as a field guy for Coca-Cola USA and still have all the intro materials in my archives. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 9, 2022 6:40:33 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Jul 9, 2022 7:59:22 GMT -5
How did HC fare in this latest ranking ?
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Post by alum on Jul 9, 2022 8:38:24 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on Jul 9, 2022 9:11:27 GMT -5
I wonder how many remember your reference? That had to be one of the biggest BAD decisions in recent marketing memory. going down this tangent a bit more, was it bad marketing or a stupid gimmick? Sales probably had a very short term bump while everyone tried that Pepsi in a Coke can. Then Coke Classic was on the store shelves before I ran out of regular stuff at home. It happened so fast that Coke Classic was probably in the works before new Coke was even released. I think they either planned for failure or it was a silly gimmick |
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 9, 2022 10:16:03 GMT -5
Boston University told a whopper of a fib for the 2018 fiscal year. All wins for that year in Turnpike Trophy contests have been forfeited. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 9, 2022 10:21:31 GMT -5
I was there on the front lines for the whole New Coke war. Coke did 190,000 blind taste tests versus Pepsi (which was 6% sweeter than Coke) and concluded it needed to change its formula. So we did. There was no research on "what would you do if a company changed the formula of a brand you and your family have loved for generations"? New Coke beat Pepsi in taste tests, but there is more to sales and marketing than sip tests. Consumers were outraged and the backlash was so severe that TCCC had to bring back the original formula. When asked if this was planned all along, company president Don Keough said "we are neither that smart nor that dumb".
If it had been planned all along I believe I would have known or eventually found out. I believe it was a very bad decision, but one that had a very positive result. TCCC tracks consumers feelings about its brands on an ongoing basis-when the original formula returned there was a dramatic and enduring upturn in key consumer measures like "My kind of soft drink:, "goes well with food", "tastes great", etc.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 9, 2022 11:50:47 GMT -5
If you want clicks, make a list with entities ranked against each other. If those entities are relevant in your life, it is hard to resist clicking.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 9, 2022 18:15:04 GMT -5
Not mispresenting data, just sharing alternative facts.
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