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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 11, 2022 14:00:32 GMT -5
1) to suggest that CBN and staff have done "at bare minimum" a "very good job" recruiting is just not supported by the facts. Referencing non-existent posts about how the great talent of our players in the portal is not proof by any means. The proof of very good recruiting is signing, developing, and retaining very good players and winning games. You're including all sorts of things that tell the complete picture of a coaching job beyond recruiting. You had a hissy fit when Luc entered the transfer portal -- I assume that's because you think he was a talented player. Apologies if I was mistaken.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 11, 2022 15:02:43 GMT -5
I accept your apology. I haven't had a hissy fit in over 60 years. I do think that Luc is a very talented player, have so stated many times, and I commend Coach Nelson for recognizing that talent and recruiting him to Holy Cross. Alas, CBN could not keep KL on the team.
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Post by Tom on Apr 11, 2022 16:01:56 GMT -5
I hope Jaden Kirkwood has a high ceiling but can't conclude that from what we have learned about him to date. I hope he becomes PL ROY and an All-PL player. That would end a streak. The last six Holy Cross players to win RoY never made all-PL 1st or 2nd teams during their careers. Interesting stat. Tim Szatko was the last Lufkin - never developed the way we thought he would Pat Doherty- hampered by foot injury RJ - surprised he never made it. Probably hampered by 3 different coaches in his 3 healthy years Burrell - In my opinion, victim of a coach who could recruit them but not develop them Pridgen - left before he got the chance to make all PL Luc - left before he got the chance to make all PL
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Post by bison137 on Apr 11, 2022 17:12:09 GMT -5
I went looking to see if Noah Kirkwood had entered the portal, and he has not. He has a fifth year at Harvard. I did come across this article on Noah in Harvard Magazine in January, detailing how Amaker had shifted him from guard to forward because of Harvard's frontcourt being thinned by injuries. Did he make first team all-Ivy playing out of position? Noah Kirkwood had offers from 'Nova and Virginia, elected to go to NMH, and Harvard. (It would appear the family prioritizes academics.) www.harvardmagazine.com/2022/01/harvard-basketball-star-noah-kirkwood-s-mid-season-pivotThe article described his father as being a basketball star at Univ of Ottawa. 85-86 season, Art Kirkwood led the team in field goals made, field goals shooting percentage 47.2%, and 69 rebounds. He was the team's leading scorer three straight seasons, best year was 86-87, averaging 20.8 points per game. He was a star player,, winning all-conference honors three years running, playing on a mediocre team that played about 15 games a season. I have to assume the head coach at IMG, having coached at Bucknell, is a straight-shooter, and wouldn't misrepresent to a college head coach on whether Kirkwood can play at a certain level, e.g., the PL I mean, in practice, Kirkwood is daily going up against McDonald's All American guards who have committed to Baylor and Alabama. Do they run him off the court, or does he hold his own? Their coach, Sean McAloon, coached at Bucknell for 21 months about 20 years ago. Coaches at for-profit basketball academies succeed or fail based on how many of their players get scholarships. Thus most of them can be trusted as much as the guy trying to sell you a used car. During his tenure, Nathan Davis has given scholarships to three players in the spring of their senior year or PG year. All had zero D1 offers. All three at this point appear to have been wasted scholarships.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 11, 2022 18:06:02 GMT -5
That would end a streak. The last six Holy Cross players to win RoY never made all-PL 1st or 2nd teams during their careers. Interesting stat. Tim Szatko was the last Lufkin - never developed the way we thought he would Pat Doherty- hampered by foot injury RJ - surprised he never made it. Probably hampered by 3 different coaches in his 3 healthy years Burrell - In my opinion, victim of a coach who could recruit them but not develop them Pridgen - left before he got the chance to make all PL Luc - left before he got the chance to make all PL Great synopsis. I'd like to think RJ would've made all-league as a 5th year senior had he opted to prolong his HC education. Of course, he ended up using his final year of eligibility at UCONN while working on his masters degree. I didn't realize Pat Doherty was PL rookie of the year. Who were the other top players in his freshman class in the PL? I remember Greg Sprink from Navy, John Griffin from Bucknell and of course our own Tim Clifford.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 11, 2022 18:33:09 GMT -5
And didn’t Pat play behind senior Torey that rookie year.?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 11, 2022 18:42:03 GMT -5
And didn’t Pat play behind senior Torey that rookie year.? Pat played maybe 15 minutes per game--seems low for a ROY. Griffin had a solid rookie season
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 11, 2022 18:59:18 GMT -5
I went looking to see if Noah Kirkwood had entered the portal, and he has not. He has a fifth year at Harvard. I did come across this article on Noah in Harvard Magazine in January, detailing how Amaker had shifted him from guard to forward because of Harvard's frontcourt being thinned by injuries. Did he make first team all-Ivy playing out of position? Noah Kirkwood had offers from 'Nova and Virginia, elected to go to NMH, and Harvard. (It would appear the family prioritizes academics.) www.harvardmagazine.com/2022/01/harvard-basketball-star-noah-kirkwood-s-mid-season-pivotThe article described his father as being a basketball star at Univ of Ottawa. 85-86 season, Art Kirkwood led the team in field goals made, field goals shooting percentage 47.2%, and 69 rebounds. He was the team's leading scorer three straight seasons, best year was 86-87, averaging 20.8 points per game. He was a star player,, winning all-conference honors three years running, playing on a mediocre team that played about 15 games a season. I have to assume the head coach at IMG, having coached at Bucknell, is a straight-shooter, and wouldn't misrepresent to a college head coach on whether Kirkwood can play at a certain level, e.g., the PL I mean, in practice, Kirkwood is daily going up against McDonald's All American guards who have committed to Baylor and Alabama. Do they run him off the court, or does he hold his own? Their coach, Sean McAloon, coached at Bucknell for 21 months about 20 years ago. Coaches at for-profit basketball academies succeed or fail based on how many of their players get scholarships. Thus most of them can be trusted as much as the guy trying to sell you a used car. During his tenure, Nathan Davis has given scholarships to three players in the spring of their senior year or PG year. All had zero D1 offers. All three at this point appear to have been wasted scholarships. Maybe you can get a better player than you would ordinarily deserve by commiting early to quality players in the draft, er portal, while they are scared they aren't going to secure a scholarship for next year. Or maybe you can get a better player by having a scholarship(s) available towards the end of the spring or summer when inevitably good players will have overplayed their hand, waited for a better school and now are desperate to sign anywhere. We won't know until the games are played which coaches emulated Red Auerbach and which ones took after Jerry Jones.
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Post by trimster on Apr 16, 2022 9:00:12 GMT -5
How is HC excited about this pickup? I haven't seen any other school offer him. And why are we giving this staff the benefit of the doubt on this. This is exactly why they should have gotten rid of Nelson. Pickups like this could handcuff the next coach in. Rarely does a player with zero other offers pan out. Yes - there are examples of where it does - but it's rare. I could very well be wrong. But this signing doesn't excite me at all. Because of a pedigree? Really? There are countless sons of superstars from the NBA that don't work out. Octave - yes - I'll agree that appears to be a good signing. 21 and 10 in his last game in a pretty good conference is legit. Kirkwood - no - but hopefully I'm wrong. Anyone else wondering if Kirkwood is a preferred walk on?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 16, 2022 10:55:33 GMT -5
And didn’t Pat play behind senior Torey that rookie year.? Pat played maybe 15 minutes per game--seems low for a ROY. Griffin had a solid rookie season Torey Thomas was only a soph that year.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 16, 2022 10:55:36 GMT -5
How is HC excited about this pickup? I haven't seen any other school offer him. And why are we giving this staff the benefit of the doubt on this. This is exactly why they should have gotten rid of Nelson. Pickups like this could handcuff the next coach in. Rarely does a player with zero other offers pan out. Yes - there are examples of where it does - but it's rare. I could very well be wrong. But this signing doesn't excite me at all. Because of a pedigree? Really? There are countless sons of superstars from the NBA that don't work out. Octave - yes - I'll agree that appears to be a good signing. 21 and 10 in his last game in a pretty good conference is legit. Kirkwood - no - but hopefully I'm wrong. Anyone else wondering if Kirkwood is a preferred walk on? Humphrey Bogart said it best in Casablanca. Of all the colleges in all the world, why would he pick Holy Cross to be a PWO? The size of the tuition compared to the amount of success of the program would seem to make HC an odd choice.
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Post by trimster on Apr 16, 2022 11:02:10 GMT -5
Tomor Oron did it. Just seems a bit odd that we haven’t seen a tweet from Kirkwood that he was blessed to receive an offer from HC especially if it were his only offer. Most kids like to let the world know about offers, visits etc. Then again, he might not be like most kids.
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Post by Tom on Apr 16, 2022 16:17:36 GMT -5
How is HC excited about this pickup? I haven't seen any other school offer him. And why are we giving this staff the benefit of the doubt on this. This is exactly why they should have gotten rid of Nelson. Pickups like this could handcuff the next coach in. Rarely does a player with zero other offers pan out. Yes - there are examples of where it does - but it's rare. I could very well be wrong. But this signing doesn't excite me at all. Because of a pedigree? Really? There are countless sons of superstars from the NBA that don't work out. Octave - yes - I'll agree that appears to be a good signing. 21 and 10 in his last game in a pretty good conference is legit. Kirkwood - no - but hopefully I'm wrong. Anyone else wondering if Kirkwood is a preferred walk on? That's an interesting question With the exception of the incoming class of 22 (Hart, Lovisolo, and Yeutter) I don't remember the school ever announcing any walk ons. Octave's commitment to the school was announced by the school - at least on Twitter. I don't think the school has said boo about Kirkwood
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Post by Tom on Apr 16, 2022 16:23:24 GMT -5
Tomor Oron did it. Just seems a bit odd that we haven’t seen a tweet from Kirkwood that he was blessed to receive an offer from HC especially if it were his only offer. Most kids like to let the world know about offers, visits etc. Then again, he might not be like most kids. Which came first? The chicken or the egg? Did Tomer come to HC because he had PWO status? Or did he choose HC and decide to try out for the team and make it as a regular walk on? Do we really know?
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 16, 2022 18:12:45 GMT -5
HC actually could be a golden opportunity for a walk on, preferred or otherwise. If you really think you can play but have no scholarship offers, the worse the team you walk on to, the higher your chances for minutes.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 22, 2022 13:28:11 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on Apr 22, 2022 14:00:21 GMT -5
Well that answers that question. In all fairness, this press release dated today comes almost a full week after there was speculation about possibly being a walk on Perhaps that's what happens when you commit to a Catholic school during Holy Week
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Post by mm67 on Apr 22, 2022 15:54:09 GMT -5
Jayden is welcome to the HC family. Good guy, good student and will work hard at HC. These are ingredients for success. Expect he will do great in the classroom and on the court. And, he will be a man for others. A Holy Cross education & degree is priceless. His future looks bright. Excited to have him on board.
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Post by HC13 on Jun 30, 2022 10:28:16 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Jun 30, 2022 10:37:18 GMT -5
This part makes me a little nervous:
There was no high school basketball during his Grade 12 academic year in 2020-21. He also had stopped playing competitive basketball in the community the year before because it involved too much travel and was too time consuming.
Could be nothing but doesn’t scream “gym rat” when you read it.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 30, 2022 10:44:09 GMT -5
This part makes me a little nervous: There was no high school basketball during his Grade 12 academic year in 2020-21. He also had stopped playing competitive basketball in the community the year before because it involved too much travel and was too time consuming. Could be nothing but doesn’t scream “gym rat” when you read it. What makes me more nervous is that he didn't have any other D1 offers.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 30, 2022 11:03:58 GMT -5
Interesting connection to Holy Cross though not specifically stated in the article with a former HC Basketball coach......
“Jaden started playing house-league basketball on the court at, fittingly enough, Jack Donohue Public School, which was named after the former Canadian men’s basketball coach from Kanata”.
Maybe he was destined to be at HC.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 30, 2022 11:43:23 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Jun 30, 2022 12:03:51 GMT -5
Never knew "M" stood for "Mohamed".
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 30, 2022 12:29:18 GMT -5
Never knew "M" stood for "Mohamed". If he’s not protesting the Crusader name on his chest (although I think it says Holy Cross on the uniform) then the progressive wing of the faculty should pipe down. They don't have to wear the name on their tweed jackets.
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