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Post by td128 on Apr 20, 2022 17:30:12 GMT -5
JJ Redick said Bob Cousy was “being guarded by plumbers and firemen”.. he chose violence today on First Take t.co/HzQLS1EVn3Never was a Redick fan and even less so now. |
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Post by hchoops on Apr 20, 2022 17:41:26 GMT -5
Dick McGuire of the Knicks would have shut down the one dimensional Reddick.
Reddick could not beat anyone off the dribble.
Assists
Cooz- 7.5
Reddick- 2.0
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 20, 2022 17:41:42 GMT -5
td128, I agree with your thought, but why post twice?
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Post by td128 on Apr 20, 2022 17:47:14 GMT -5
Rob, navigating these devices is not a strength and trying to do it via phone even less so. 🤪
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 20, 2022 17:56:50 GMT -5
Fair enough. Thanks for the explanation.  |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 20, 2022 18:02:17 GMT -5
Why would Reddick be so ignorant and classless to make such a statement? What a clown!
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 20, 2022 18:15:19 GMT -5
Where is he? Hold me back fellas.🙂🤕
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Post by mm67 on Apr 20, 2022 18:38:44 GMT -5
reddick is a provocateur. Saw him pull his arrogant Duke S&#T against another retired player. The man wasn't smiling.
reddick is a non-entity. Also, he doesn't know what he is talking about.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Apr 20, 2022 19:23:06 GMT -5
I believe the Cooz was guarded by people like Oscar Robertson, among others. The Big O would score 60 on Redick, and shut him down defensively. Redick is an ignorant big mouth.
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Post by mm67 on Apr 20, 2022 19:48:23 GMT -5
I believe the Cooz was guarded by people like Oscar Robertson, among others. The Big O would score 60 on Redick, and shut him down defensively. Redick is an ignorant big mouth. Others? See Dick McGuire |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 21, 2022 6:38:20 GMT -5
Dumb comment. Sort of like when Adam Ottavino (then on the Yankees) stated a few years back that he'd strike out Babe Ruth "every time".
But I still have always liked Reddick. I remember getting into a debate in high school with friends, in which I argued that I predicted Reddick would have as successful a pro career as Ben Gordon. I don't think JJ ever dropped 50 in a game (Ben did) but certainly longevity and consistency was on his side.
One interesting note about Reddick -- as a member of the 76ers, he actually lived in and commuted to and from Philly from Brooklyn for games and practices. He had a custom-made van with a small bedroom in the back. I think he has a home in the Hamptons too. Thought he'd end up playing a year with Knicks or Nets -- never happened.
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Post by alum on Apr 21, 2022 6:52:29 GMT -5
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Apr 21, 2022 7:04:15 GMT -5
Hopefully he catches some grief.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 21, 2022 7:19:55 GMT -5
Chris Russo
Now there’s a fitting match for incompetence, at a high volume, for Reddick.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Apr 21, 2022 8:22:44 GMT -5
It's impossible to do these sorts of comparisons. Can you compare the training resources, medical knowledge, money that athletes received, and thus, focus and devotion to training and physical fitness of 70 years ago to today? No. Do I think that the 10th or 11th man on an NBA bench today could play back then and dominate? Maybe... some of those players had incomparable skills that rightly put them in the record books, hall of fame, and lore of basketball. Do I think Bob Cousy could run circles around some people in a gym playing in this era? Quite possibly.
Was he jumping as high, running as fast, lifting as much weight? No. But that's why sports is so great (and worth saying this week of the NFL Draft)... it's not a combine. Players don't run through cones or do 225 lb bench presses, jump to swat plastic gates, or do a 40 yard dash for the NBA Finals trophy. Instead they play a game. It's a mix of the skill the sport requires, physical and mental gifts, preparation, coaching, teamwork, guile, etc. You can only fairly see what players did in their own era. Cousy dominated. Doesn't matter if he had Fireman Ed or Ed Macauley guarding him... he did it. Same goes for Wilt Chamberlain and his ridiculous statistics (he was playing against skinny white grocers, wasn't he?) or Jordan vs. LeBron. Greatness is greatness.
Last point: NY2010... Ben Gordon was a local legend. Ben Gordon was better in college. Ben Gordon was better in the pros than JJ Reddick.
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Post by mm67 on Apr 21, 2022 8:27:31 GMT -5
Reddick made another series of dumb comments. And, he succeeded in his goal of stirring up controversy and getting media attention. He is an advertisers dream.
However in the overall scheme of things Reddick is irrelevant, doesn't count. Let him go back to Cameron with the other smarmy Dukie prep boys.
Cooz is a basketball immortal. Case closed
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Post by mm67 on Apr 21, 2022 8:46:52 GMT -5
Skinny white grocers such as Bill Russell, Nate Thurmond among others. Russ had no doubt he could deal with the great Shaq and explained how. He would not totally shut him down but could more than hold his own.(Get Shaq to move side to side)
Go to the NBA Hall of Fame site to watch Cousy. You will see his gifts - extraordinary peripheral vision, large hands, long arms, his genius level court sense and an incomparable sense of timing in which he knew where the shooter was going for the pass/ assist .He was amazing and would be so today, as would Russell, Chamberlain, Oscar, West, Bird and other all-time NBA greats.
And the same for today's all time great NBA players. No doubt in 30 years some young guy will confidently diss today's crop of all time greats. LeBron, nah. KD too slow. Steph played against lousy defenders, etc.
The game does evolve. Players are bigger, stronger faster more skilled but there are some who will always thrive because of their extraordinary gifts.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Apr 21, 2022 10:26:20 GMT -5
It's how you rate against your generation. Cooz was a game changer.....comparatively speaking, Reddik's not a zit on Cooz's butt.....
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Post by thecrossisback on Apr 21, 2022 10:36:21 GMT -5
Reddick did you take any history courses at Duke?
Open up a book before you try and mislead people like that again!
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 21, 2022 10:36:46 GMT -5
Dave, are you trying to give "zits" a worse name?  They are already not well thought of before getting linked to Reddick.  |
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Post by mm67 on Apr 21, 2022 10:44:06 GMT -5
Unfortunately, we live in an age of uninformed punditry designed to hype ratings.
Mr. Cousy does not need us. His greatness speaks for itself. And, he was great off the court too. Bob Cousy is a great man.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 23, 2022 5:38:53 GMT -5
Unfortunately, we live in an age of uninformed punditry designed to hype ratings. Mr. Cousy does not need us. His greatness speaks for itself. And, he was great off the court too. Bob Cousy is a great man. The more I watch the general market reaction to Reddick's comments, the angrier I get. People are literally saying that Cousy wouldn't make the G league today. Plumbers and firemen, OK. Some of the "plumbers and firemen" who played in that era go by the names of Oscar Robertson, Elgin Baylor, Paul Arizin, Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West and Bill Russell. I get current players wanting to hype up how strong and how deep the league is today, especially with the level of versatility and pace that we haven't seen before. But I think it's important to remember the reason why a lot of NBA players had 2nd jobs during this era. The group of stars I mentioned, in addition to guys like Mikan before them, had to build the league's reputation and fan base from scratch. Their creation and development of a successful pro sports league is the reason why role players like Reddick can retire with ten's of millions in their bank accounts today. I also wonder if some of the hate on Cousy is because he's small-ish (6'1" -- 1-2" shorter than CP3, Nash and Curry on paper) and white. I never hear anyone talk about how Oscar, Russell or Wilt wouldn't make it in today's game. Of course West is white but hard to dump on a guy who carved a HOF career as a jump-shooter without even having the luxury of a 3-point line to incrementally pad his value. It's also funny how the same people who claim that stars from the '60's wouldn't make it in today's NBA also believe that no one can ever be better than Michael Jordan. LeBron could win the scoring title at age 40 and people will still refuse to put him up there with Mike. |
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Post by hchoops on Apr 23, 2022 9:59:52 GMT -5
ignore ignorance
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Post by timholycross on Apr 23, 2022 20:42:53 GMT -5
And Cooz was a better analyst too! Take that Mr. JJ Wedick.
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Post by hchoops on May 19, 2022 21:04:01 GMT -5
Cooz’s response
So true
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They are already not well thought of before getting linked to Reddick. 
