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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 23, 2022 14:32:45 GMT -5
I was shocked that so little in the Luth was provided for track and field. Maybe it is way of the future. My high school (Bergen Catholic, a NJ sports factory) sacrificed their track to put in a better football stadium. They can't host home meets because what they call a track now has only TWO lanes around the 400 meter track with straight-away lanes on the far side of the field for practice. At least HC still has a legit all-weather track. Dumb. And I'm sure 60% of the football players at Bergen are also on the track team. The amount of NCAA football players running track has dropped off a ton in the last 20 years. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 23, 2022 14:33:22 GMT -5
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Post by hc17 on Jun 23, 2022 14:36:33 GMT -5
If we have a rink that highlights and serves the needs of current and future HC hockey players, coaches and fans, it may not matter if there are some others that are superior to it. I would hope that means becoming a more competitive program. When you have inferior facilities, that's not a great start to a recruiting pitch. With that said, all improvements to our current situation are welcomed. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 23, 2022 14:48:09 GMT -5
Dumb. And I'm sure 60% of the football players at Bergen are also on the track team. The amount of NCAA football players running track has dropped off a ton in the last 20 years. I was referencing high school but that's not surprising. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 23, 2022 14:54:48 GMT -5
As I've said in the past, the only reason a school with an enrollment of just 3,100 fields 27 D1 sports is to reel in full-pay students so parents get to brag their kid is a D1 athlete at cocktail parties. It's all by design, and why participation trumps winning at HC. See here: www.holycross.edu/admissions-aid/what-we-look-for/enrollment-facts-and-figures- 7,000+ applicants (standard every year for HC) - Approx. 750 admitted in each incoming freshman class. So you're telling me the College is so desperate for full-pay admits that they need Athletic programs to scour the world to find them? I'm sorry, I don't buy it. 6,250 other applicants leads me to believe there are 100's of other full-pay options for the student body annually to help balance the books. Let's invest in winning in football, basketball, hockey, baseball, lacrosse and soccer. Beyond that, who gives a rat's ass? If the golf team stinks but posts an 1000 APR score and the team members all remain happy and productive members of the HC community, that's fine by me. I think it's less the "cocktail party" analogy that ACTP posted so much that sports alum might be more likely to stay connected and donate money back to the college. I bet you the average HC Swimming & Diving alum donates more back to the school than the average non-athlete alum. Just a guess. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 23, 2022 15:31:48 GMT -5
The problem with HC, as I and numerous others have stated on here previously, is that they continually try to be everything to everyone. Hockey is no different. We have two D1 programs, funded (kinda) well in the scholarship budget line -- but absolutely nowhere else. - Coaches salaries, equipment, non-conference travel and recruiting budgets fall well behind our competition. And we have WITHOUT QUESTION the worst rink in Division 1 hockey. It's not even close. But I keep reading about new turf fields for other HC sports, a new track, upgrading the soccer stadium, etc, etc. So to the post yesterday about Hockey "starving" the support for other programs, perhaps if HC stopped the insanity of having 27 Varsity sports, some programs such as Hockey, Lacrosse, Soccer might be centrally funded more adequately (vs. the continued pressure and reliance on alums to step up) to actually compete for championships in their respective leagues. What a novel thought... A lot of track alum are actually very upset about the Luth. Many were bilked into donating funds under the promise that the facility would include a legitimate indoor track. Apparently Kavanaugh, one of the most mild-mannered people on campus, was absolutely fuming. The original Sasaki design was for a 200 meter indoor track, with an 'infield' that could be used for limited practice. Sasaki was the architect for the Luth, and is the architect preparing the options for the rink. Nate Pine killed the original design, that while it was great for track, it was too small for most other field sports. Suffice to say, Chesney would not be as successful recruiting football players if he showed them a field house like Middlebury's See: www.sasaki.com/projects/middlebury-college-virtue-field-house-and-athletic-district-plan/ |
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 23, 2022 18:19:01 GMT -5
Is the sharing of the indoor football practice field by baseball, softball, track, lacrosse, soccer and field hockey with football proceding smoothly?
The facility was presented as a resource to help many sports as I recall.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 23, 2022 19:32:51 GMT -5
Is the sharing of the indoor football practice field by baseball, softball, track, lacrosse, soccer and field hockey with football proceding smoothly? The facility was presented as a resource to help many sports as I recall. AFAIK, it is. Golf also uses it NP wanted to build an indoor track near where Polar Park IIRC, it would go where the Railers have their practice rink. Plan was that it would be a consortium facility, with HC, WPI, Clark, Worcester State etc. kicking in money to build it. Never got further than the wishful thinking stage. If HC was closer to Allston, they might be able to practice on the new track there.  This is a 200meter track, with banked curves. Cost was about $200 million. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 23, 2022 19:47:39 GMT -5
The Track at New Balance (above) was designed to be the fastest indoor track in the world.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 23, 2022 20:20:14 GMT -5
A lot of track alum are actually very upset about the Luth. Many were bilked into donating funds under the promise that the facility would include a legitimate indoor track. Apparently Kavanaugh, one of the most mild-mannered people on campus, was absolutely fuming. The original Sasaki design was for a 200 meter indoor track, with an 'infield' that could be used for limited practice. Sasaki was the architect for the Luth, and is the architect preparing the options for the rink. Nate Pine killed the original design, that while it was great for track, it was too small for most other field sports. Suffice to say, Chesney would not be as successful recruiting football players if he showed them a field house like Middlebury's See: www.sasaki.com/projects/middlebury-college-virtue-field-house-and-athletic-district-plan/Didn't hurt Middlebury because they won three national championships in the three women's stick sports (Field Hockey, Women's Ice Hockey, and Women's Lacrosse) this year while losing only ONE game between the three sports with the NESCAC Women's Lax final to Tufts. They beat Tufts in the final. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 23, 2022 20:21:53 GMT -5
Is the sharing of the indoor football practice field by baseball, softball, track, lacrosse, soccer and field hockey with football proceding smoothly? The facility was presented as a resource to help many sports as I recall. AFAIK, it is. Golf also uses it NP wanted to build an indoor track near where Polar Park IIRC, it would go where the Railers have their practice rink. Plan was that it would be a consortium facility, with HC, WPI, Clark, Worcester State etc. kicking in money to build it. Never got further than the wishful thinking stage. If HC was closer to Allston, they might be able to practice on the new track there. This is a 200meter track, with banked curves. Cost was about $200 million. UMass Lowell is hosting the NCAA Indoor Championships in 2024 at New Balance. NB is also hosting America East Track this upcoming year as they are moving out of BU and I bet that is most of the track meets in the New England area are moving there. |
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Post by alum on Jun 23, 2022 21:51:26 GMT -5
FWIW, when Hart was renovated in the early 80s, there was a track in the original plan. It was dropped and 40 years have passed.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 23, 2022 22:34:28 GMT -5
If HC ever does build an indoor track, I hope they put their first ever solar panel on the roof. That's a big space to heat with today's cost of energy. And the runners can't really wear overcoats.
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Post by aaa8316 on Jun 23, 2022 22:38:44 GMT -5
This is a Hockey thread, no?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 30, 2022 7:39:00 GMT -5
Rougeau said in a recent webinar that Sasaki is continuing to work on the campus master plan (which includes what to do about the rink) and will present its final recommendations in early October.
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Post by nhteamer on Jul 11, 2022 7:33:48 GMT -5
just make sure dance and drama are priorities please. Those REALLY play to our market of 18 year olds and their parents; at least a dozen.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jul 11, 2022 8:42:52 GMT -5
just make sure dance and drama are priorities please. Those REALLY play to our market of 18 year olds and their parents; at least a dozen. Wasn't the PPAC paid for by a gift from Cornelius Prior and his wife? Everyone at HC is not a jock, or interested in following athletics. I think you vastly underestimate the appeal of this beautiful new building. |
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 11, 2022 8:49:10 GMT -5
Also, athlete and arts are not an "either/or" choice. There are many who find time and energy to do both.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jul 11, 2022 9:09:47 GMT -5
Also, athlete and arts are not an "either/or" choice. There are many who find time and energy to do both. Exactly. HC is at its best when it appeals to and accommodates students of many interests. IIRC there have been a few football players who have performed in some of the theater department's plays. |
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 11, 2022 9:18:19 GMT -5
There have indeed. Going back in history, remember when Knute Rockne brought in chorus girls to help his backfield with their footwork in executing the shift?
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 11, 2022 9:29:56 GMT -5
Also, athlete and arts are not an "either/or" choice. There are many who find time and energy to do both. The Butler did it. |
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Post by Chu Chu on Jul 11, 2022 11:42:44 GMT -5
just make sure dance and drama are priorities please. Those REALLY play to our market of 18 year olds and their parents; at least a dozen. |
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Post by princetoncrusader on Jul 11, 2022 11:47:29 GMT -5
Wasn't hoopster AB a studio art major? I believe the late Tom Heinsohn was an accomplished water color artist. So yes I support the PPAC. I believe Mr. Prior kicked in $25mm. Wonderful to have such a benefactor.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 11, 2022 12:39:48 GMT -5
The Drama Dept. will send a scout to the Hart Center to recruit the best flop artists.
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Post by mm67 on Jul 18, 2022 8:59:25 GMT -5
Maybe, it's best not to look at everything including the PPAC through the lense of recruitment. It's short-sighted. The school might as well consult USNWR for advice on its strategic master plan. The Arts are an integral part of offering a high quality liberal arts education.
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